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Old 20-04-2010, 20:22
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Well the majority of other digital channels in my post had above 150,000 so I'd say its poor.
ohhh i havnt seen that! oh then yes it is!! im sure they could find something that rates better!
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:22
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I think BBC One will consider Masterchef to have done a good job - though, of course, its really hurt BBC Two and hasn't done all that much for the show itself. All in all, I wouldn't say it was particularly worth it. But obviously, the needs of BBC One seem to outweigh everything else...
BBC Two has weathered losing past hits, it would be worse if they lost Top Gear, Mock the Week or Dragons Den to BBC One. IMO Miranda's the only show that could transfer to BBC One but we'll have to wait and see how Series 2 does first.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:24
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In terms of Glee moving to Sky1, I don’t think it will. Sadly, I do suspect that it might not last. There is a limit to what they can do with it. Also, I wouldn’t worry too much about the FOX connection. FOX only sold Modern Family to Sky1 this season while Glee and The Cleveland Show both went to E4 not to mention the deal for How I Met Your Mother. The only time that Sky1 actually poached a FOX show was Prison Break (House is broadcast on FOX but actually produced by Universal Media Studios).

I don’t think there was ever any problem with E4 having Friends at 8pm. No, it wasn’t imaginative, but 8pm is a tricky hour and Friends was a consistent performer there. With over 200 episodes, it had enough to sustain a decent run and fill the entire 8pm hour. I think the fact it was always on at 8pm helped. People weren’t watching every night, but if they were in front of the TV and couldn’t find anything to watch, you always knew Friends was there!

The Big Bang Theory doesn’t have enough to fill the gap alone so they’re probably going to have to look at some sort of combination of it, How I Met Your Mother and Scrubs. I’m surprised that they didn’t go for Modern Family or Cougar Town. All the US networks are likely to commission new sitcoms this year so I’m sure they’ll keep an eye out. With Hollyoaks quite possibly off the air by the time Friends goes, they’re going to have even more time to fill.
I hope ITV bid for Glee, it's perfect post-X Factor viewing on Sunday nights.

I think it could turn into a massive hit for them, perhaps 5m+ on a regular basis, even more...with a great 16-34 audience...

But, Sky will probably bid more...
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:25
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has BBC 2/4 still got Jack Dee sitcom, Lead Balloon?
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:26
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The Big Bang Theory doesn’t have enough to fill the gap alone so they’re probably going to have to look at some sort of combination of it, How I Met Your Mother and Scrubs. I’m surprised that they didn’t go for Modern Family or Cougar Town. All the US networks are likely to commission new sitcoms this year so I’m sure they’ll keep an eye out. With Hollyoaks quite possibly off the air by the time Friends goes, they’re going to have even more time to fill.
Sitcoms and comedy dramas seem to have made a comeback in recent years after drama and reality dominating the schedules, I wonder if it is the sign of the times or just a trend.

Speaking of Glee, I wonder when the cast or least Lea Michele, Cory Monleith, Matthew Morrison or Jane Lynch will appear on the UK chatshow or radio circuit, I think filming has prevented them coming and the upcoming tour but I'm sure if they will come eventually.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:27
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Such a pity to see a good show do so awful. Heard some promo for this on Absolute Radio, and I'd have thought Tina Fey being plastered everywhere for promo of her film might have given it a boost too.
Comedy Central have really been plugging it and earlier this year it had a lead-in from Two and a Half Men as well (500,000 viewers) but it just doesn't seem to be working.

Friends is a big investment for them but it'll be a blow if Two and a Half Men does end.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:34
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Comedy Central have really been plugging it and earlier this year it had a lead-in from Two and a Half Men as well (500,000 viewers) but it just doesn't seem to be working.

Friends is a big investment for them but it'll be a blow if Two and a Half Men does end.
30 Rock although funny isn't as accessible compared to Friends, Two and a Half or The Office as we don't have a SNL type show over here.

Two and a Half Men's future does look shaky but I think CBS and Warner Bros will pay Charlie Sheen $1m an episode and the show ends on a high after eight seasons in 2011.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:35
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In terms of Glee moving to Sky1, I don’t think it will. Sadly, I do suspect that it might not last. There is a limit to what they can do with it. Also, I wouldn’t worry too much about the FOX connection. FOX only sold Modern Family to Sky1 this season while Glee and The Cleveland Show both went to E4 not to mention the deal for How I Met Your Mother. The only time that Sky1 actually poached a FOX show was Prison Break (House is broadcast on FOX but actually produced by Universal Media Studios).
Notable and recent FOX shows that have ended up on Sky1:

# The Simpsons (1989–present)
# Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1997–2003)
# Roswell (1999–2002)
# Futurama (1999–2003, 2008–present)
# Angel (1999–2004)
# Malcolm in the Middle (2000–2006)
# 24 (2001–2010)
# Tru Calling (2003–2005)
# Prison Break (2005–2009)
# Journeyman (2007)
# Modern Family (2009–present)

You're seriously telling me the special relationship does not exist?
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:36
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Sitcoms and comedy dramas seem to have made a comeback in recent years after drama and reality dominating the schedules, I wonder if it is the sign of the times or just a trend.
Certainly with sitcoms, I think it was inevitable with the recession although nobody in the UK really seemed to make much of an effort (the 30 minute sitcom is very nearly dead here).

Going into next season, it seems likely that the US will have comedy on Tuesday, completing a comedy line-up from Sunday-Thursday. The only question is who is going to go for it. FOX seem most likely to attempt some live action comedy but some rescheduling could see ABC or NBC move into Tuesday nights as well. Particularly as Idol isn't likely to be terrifying schedulers like it used to (Modern Family has performed admirably against Idol).

Speaking of Glee, I wonder when the cast or least Lea Michele, Cory Monleith, Matthew Morrison or Jane Lynch will appear on the UK chatshow or radio circuit, I think filming has prevented them coming and the upcoming tour but I'm sure if they will come eventually.
They'd make excellent guests on Britain's Got Talent but I'm not sure it will happen. The tour finishes a week before and BGT finals week coincides with the last week of Glee in the US (and FOX may want them around).
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:39
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Notable and recent FOX shows that have ended up on Sky1:

# The Simpsons (1989–present)
# Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1997–2003)
# Roswell (1999–2002)
# Futurama (1999–2003, 2008–present)
# Angel (1999–2004)
# Malcolm in the Middle (2000–2006)
# 24 (2001–2010)
# Tru Calling (2003–2005)
# Prison Break (2005–2009)
# Journeyman (2007)
# Modern Family (2009–present)

You're seriously telling me the special relationship does not exist?
Of course there is, but then again, I doubt Glee will go to Sky. American Idol, FOX's biggest show and allegedly the world's biggest show is still on ITV2.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:42
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Of course there is, but then again, I doubt Glee will go to Sky. American Idol, FOX's biggest show and allegedly the world's biggest show is still on ITV2.
American Idol is produced and distributed by FremantleMedia and not 20th Century Fox Television like Glee and the shows listed above.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:43
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Notable and recent FOX shows that have ended up on Sky1:

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You're seriously telling me the special relationship does not exist?
I'm sure there is some relationship, but I don't think it's all that special.
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Old 20-04-2010, 20:47
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Going into next season, it seems likely that the US will have comedy on Tuesday, completing a comedy line-up from Sunday-Thursday. The only question is who is going to go for it. FOX seem most likely to attempt some live action comedy but some rescheduling could see ABC or NBC move into Tuesday nights as well. Particularly as Idol isn't likely to be terrifying schedulers like it used to (Modern Family has performed admirably against Idol).
FOX needs live action comedies as they haven't had success with them since Malcolm in the Middle. The animated block has done well but I think we could see American Dad! getting axed or reduced to 13 episodes if Bob's Burgers does well. Only FOX has managed to make animated comedies work in primetime, the only exceptions in recent years are the Adult Swim shows and South Park, MTV had success in the 90s with Beavis and Butthead, Daria and Celebrity Deathmatch.

CBS has had success with the Monday Night block but less so the Wednesday comedy hour so I think the Wednesday comedies will be axed or the block moves to another night. ABC have done well with Modern Family, The Middle and to an extent Cougar Town. NBC has already renewed the Thursday comedies so I think they will also expand to another night.
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Old 20-04-2010, 21:08
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CBS has had success with the Monday Night block but less so the Wednesday comedy hour so I think the Wednesday comedies will be axed or the block moves to another night. ABC have done well with Modern Family, The Middle and to an extent Cougar Town. NBC has already renewed the Thursday comedies so I think they will also expand to another night.
ABC have done fairly well, but their schedule doesn't fit that well, IMO. Modern Family & Cougar Town don't complement each other. Modern Family should really be with The Middle and Matthew Perry's new show will most likely be paired with Cougar Town. I'd have:

Wednesdays:
8pm - Modern Family
8.30pm - The Middle
9pm - Mr Sunshine
9.30pm - Cougar Town
10pm - Brothers & Sisters

However, if ABC want to keep Modern Family at 9pm, then I could see them having:

Tuesdays:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars
9pm - Cougar Town
9.30pm - Mr Sunshine

Wednesdays:
2 new sitcoms to go with The Middle and Modern Family (which stays at 9pm).

On the subject of ABC sitcoms, Romantically Challenged stated last night with a 3.1 rating (likely to be revised down). That's decent but it was a premiere airing after DWTS and it's similar to Surviving Suburbia which premiere in that slot last year and only lasted a few months. Obviously if that is a hit then it could join the comedy block but I'm not sure that it will make it to next season.
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Old 20-04-2010, 21:12
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I'm not referring to the amount of posts. I was referring to (and I admit I didn't explain myself properly) the people who quote the overnights as "proof" that a programme has flopped. For instance, Ashes To Ashes takes under 5m in the overnights, which some people herald as a disaster, but it ends up with close to 6m in the officials which is a decent figure - 11th most popular BBC1 programme, equivalent of 17th most popular ITV1 programme (remembering that 11 of the 16 higher rated ITV1 shows are Corrie and Emmerdale:yawn.
It's all comparative though - we're generally judging overnight figures now on how it's performed in the overnights in the past.

Speaking of Glee, I wonder when the cast or least Lea Michele, Cory Monleith, Matthew Morrison or Jane Lynch will appear on the UK chatshow or radio circuit, I think filming has prevented them coming and the upcoming tour but I'm sure if they will come eventually.
When the ash cloud finally subsides perhaps - so sometime around series 3!

C4 though is seriously lacking opportunities for self promotion when it comes to interviews now. Only T4 is a regular in the schedule, though I guess they could go on Freshly Squeezed - but nobody would notice! They've got Alan Carr's chat show I suppose, and the new Paul O'Grady Show without Paul O'Grady, but both are only on for a few months of the year.

When they still had Richard and Judy around alternating with Paul O'Grady they had a flagship show to put guests on virtually all year round.
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Old 20-04-2010, 22:38
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So many possibilities. It seems Chiles' BBC departure could trigger a whole load of TV personalities "switching sides" in the coming weeks and months.

But let's hope broadcasters don't forget about Ben Shephard. First he didn't get The X Factor gig despite his sterling work on The Xtra Factor, and now this. He's actually by far one of the more likeable ITV presenters. I would rate him a lot higher than Vernon Kay and Chris Tarrant.
Thinking back, there has almost a conveyor belt of defections to ITV each usurping the other. Bob Wilson who was sidelined by Des Lynam who made way for Steve Rider who is now instantly in the shade of new golden boy Chiles. (See you on ITV4 Steve-actually probably not in my case)
Chiles has seemingly been at the BBC since 1993 having had a long and very successful career in radio. It puts it even more in perspective that after that long apprenticeship and at the point where he is arguably a star............... he joins ITV.
As for presenters, well I can see a time (and I reckon it is secret policy now at the Beeb) when Nick Knowles presents absolutely everything there is to present.


NB-ITV should attempt to grab Nick Knowles-the BBC would then be utterly destroyed!
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Old 20-04-2010, 23:17
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As for presenters, well I can see a time (and I reckon it is secret policy now at the Beeb) when Nick Knowles presents absolutely everything there is to present.

NB-ITV should attempt to grab Nick Knowles-the BBC would then be utterly destroyed!
haha!! Nick Knowles was a second rate DIY show presenter at that, let alone being put on big shows that the BBC thinks his good at!!
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Old 20-04-2010, 23:29
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Link: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/04/20...ted-down/49237

These are final numbers:

ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 21.066 million (4.8/13)
9:32pm - Romantically Challenged - 10.655 million (2.9/8)
10pm - Castle - 10.393 million (2.6/8)

DWTS is down from last week in terms of 18-49 demo, despite rising a bit in total viewers. Romantically Challenged started solid, although 2.9 worries me as it was adjusted down from 3.1 in overnights. Castle took a hit but held up decently. Having said that, it was second to a new CSI: Miami.

CBS:
8pm - How I Met Your Mother - 7.707 million (3.2/10)
8:30pm - Rules of Engagement - 7.490 million (3.0/8)
10pm - CSI: Miami - 11.661 million (3.2/9)

All decent numbers. CSI: Miami numbers are not as great as any previous seasons, even though it won the slot.

NBC:
9pm - Trauma - 4.861 million (1.3/3)

Really terrible numbers for Trauma.

FOX:
8pm - House - 10.815 million (4.1/12)
9pm - 24 - 8.943 million (2.8/7)

Great figures for House in adults demo. As for 24, it performed OK.
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Old 21-04-2010, 00:25
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Seven (27.7% share)
18:00 Seven News 1.48m
18:30 Today Tonight 1.41m
19:00 Home and Away 1.10m
19:30 Australia's Got Talent 1.45m
21:00 Grey's Anatomy 0.94m

Nine (23.5% share)
18:00 Nine News 1.26m
18:30 A Current Affair 1.23m
19:00 Two and a Half Men (R) 1.12m
19:30 Top Gear (R) 1.17m
21:10 Survivor: Heroes vs Villains 0.88m

Ten (26.6% share)
18:00 The Simpsons (R) 0.60m
18:30 Neighbours 0.63m
19:00 The 7pm Project 0.85m
19:30 MasterChef Australia 1.54m
*peaked with over 1.9m viewers.
21:00 NCIS 1.38m
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Whilst Australia's Got Talent finished second in total people at 7:30pm, it didn't do that well in the demos. Top Gear had more viewers in both 18-49 and 16-39:

1 Ppl 18-49 Network TEN MASTERCHEF AUSTRALIA - TOP 50 TUES 852,000
2 Ppl 18-49 Network 9 TOP GEAR 671,000

3 Ppl 18-49 Network TEN NCIS 598,000
4 Ppl 18-49 Network 9 SURVIVOR: HEROES VS VILLAINS 581,000
5 Ppl 18-49 Network 7 GREY'S ANATOMY 556,000
6 Ppl 18-49 Network 7 AUSTRALIA'S GOT TALENT 553,000
1 Ppl 16-39 Network TEN MASTERCHEF AUSTRALIA - TOP 50 TUES 573,000
2 Ppl 16-39 Network 9 TOP GEAR 470,000

3 Ppl 16-39 Network TEN NCIS 418,000
4 Ppl 16-39 Network 9 SURVIVOR: HEROES VS VILLAINS 392,000
5 Ppl 16-39 Network 7 GREY'S ANATOMY 376,000
6 Ppl 16-39 Network 7 AUSTRALIA'S GOT TALENT 363,000
Great figures for MasterChef, although Brisbane aren't too keen. It finished last in that market:

Australia's Got Talent 275,000
Top Gear 275,000
MasterChef Australia 257,000
In Perth, it finished second:

Australia's Got Talent 207,000
MasterChef Australia 186,000
Top Gear 138,000
MasterChef was easily top nationally and in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.

Source: OzTam
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Old 21-04-2010, 00:27
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I hope ITV bid for Glee, it's perfect post-X Factor viewing on Sunday nights.

I think it could turn into a massive hit for them, perhaps 5m+ on a regular basis, even more...with a great 16-34 audience....
Couldn't agree more.

But ITV should have been on the ball from the start, realised that and bid competitively against Channel 4.

If they had put Glee on at 9pm, after Britain's Got Talent and got the promotion right they could have run the first half of the season to huge audiences, particularly in the key demo and made themselves a ton of money.

Then the second half could have run around X Factor and made them even more.

Obviously a long term goal would then be to catch up the US, but too many episodes is quite a good problem to have.

The amount of press the show has created this week is amazing - I even saw it on the front page of a tabloid.
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Old 21-04-2010, 03:05
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Well, I'm watching at FOX pace and it was the Madonna episode, it should great amazingly as it was a good, if cheesy, episode:

Spoiler


BTW, on FOX, American Idol ran over by 03:03 minutes.
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Old 21-04-2010, 08:12
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Couldn't agree more.

But ITV should have been on the ball from the start, realised that and bid competitively against Channel 4.

If they had put Glee on at 9pm, after Britain's Got Talent and got the promotion right they could have run the first half of the season to huge audiences, particularly in the key demo and made themselves a ton of money.

Then the second half could have run around X Factor and made them even more.

Obviously a long term goal would then be to catch up the US, but too many episodes is quite a good problem to have.

The amount of press the show has created this week is amazing - I even saw it on the front page of a tabloid.
Exactly, shows like this and, to a lesser extent, High School Musical and Hannah Montana, have the power of bringing really big young audiences in.

For ITV, surely having Simon Cowell's talent shows in a Sunday 8pm slot is inspiration enough to have shows like Glee at 9pm.

Britannia High obviously didn't work, but was really secluded in a 6/7pm slot in a Sunday evening, much like the new series of 'Survival' is...that slot just isn't a great slot for anything apart from the soaps or light entertainment on Sunday evening.

Another US show ITV need to think about investing in is Modern Family, as it's certainly something that would relate well to British audiences, and could be placed alongside a panel show/sitcom of its own in a comedy zone.

Thinking back to last year, ITV's comedy zone wasn't as much of a failure as one would think - given that they've never done it before. Apart from Moving Wallpaper/Echo Beach, which was a bit out of mainstream anyway, Teenage Kicks (despite being terrible) held an OK audience alongside Benidorm - and that was on a Friday.

So, Thursday 9, 9:30pm, or even Tuesday 9, 9:30pm could be the new place for comedy.
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Old 21-04-2010, 08:33
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NB-ITV should attempt to grab Nick Knowles-the BBC would then be utterly destroyed!
I thought he built the set for the first Prime Ministers Debate.
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Old 21-04-2010, 10:49
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Looks as though Broadcast have "closed the loophole"!

Traffic Cops 4.2m
Everything else <3m (The Bill got 2.9m, I think, reading between the lines)

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edit: no they haven't, just had to be patient!
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Old 21-04-2010, 11:01
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8pm
BBC1 Holby City, which averaged 5.9m (25.2%).
ITV1 Celebrity Who Wants to be a Millionaire? 3.3m (14.1%)
BBC 2 The Delicious Miss Dahl 1.4m (5.9%)
Five Cowboy Builders 1.3m (6.2%) [grew from 1m to 1.5m]



9pm

BBC1 Traffic Cops 4.2m (17.3%)
ITV1 The Bill 2.9m (11.9%)
Channel 4 Heston’s Titanic Feast 2.4m (9.7%)
C4+1440,500 (2.4%)
BBC2 Great Ormond Street 2.3m (9.5%)
Five CSI 2.2m (9.1%)




BBC3
7.30pm-9pm Shrek 2 913,200 (4%).
9pm Blood, Sweat and Luxuries 628,400 (2.6%),
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