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The Ratings Thread (Part 8) (Merged)
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Cent
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“have to agree, ITV need to look at the US, and see how it produces shows to take advantage of a lead in.

that said ABC could never get a show to take over leading out from Lost, and ITV 1 looses some viewers to ITV 2, and BGT: Extra”

They must be able to do a bit better than 10.3m > 1.8m though - surely!

Can you imagine if ITV1 won the rights to CSI. I think if they promoted it during BGT they could hit 5-6m.

They need something like a drama or a comedy, US or UK, that's mainstream but cool. Obviously they won't get it right straight away, but it would be good if they started trying.

Didn't some X Factor results shows end up leading into Heartbeat or something last year? That's just a waste. You might as well flash up a big sign on screen telling every viewer in a valuable demographic to switch off.
tka
02-05-2010
What were the ratings for More Talent on ITV2? I'd love to see how close the gap is between ITV1 and 2, its possible that by the end of the run ITV2 will be beating ITV1!
Charnham
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by tka:
“What were the ratings for More Talent on ITV2? I'd love to see how close the gap is between ITV1 and 2, its possible that by the end of the run ITV2 will be beating ITV1!”

well on the 12th April it scored 1,432,000. A good figure for ITV 2.

If The Prisoner continue to goes out on ITV 1, the ratings could become VERY close, but there are only 6 episodes, so its not a long series.

Originally Posted by Cent:
“They must be able to do a bit better than 10.3m > 1.8m though - surely!”

I agree, they really should be getting at least 4 million from that slot.

Originally Posted by Cent:
“Can you imagine if ITV1 won the rights to CSI.”

I would rather they didnt.
Brekkie
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not a fair comparison, Hollyoaks airs at 6:30pm, Brookside most of the time aired at 8pm.

And Brookside did dip that low, or near to it:

2002
- 27/02 - 1.9m (8%)
- 27/03 - 0.4m (2%) vs Coronation Street, 11.1m (52%)
- 16/05 - 1.2m (7%)
- 19/06 - 1.3m (7%)
- 20/06 - 1.1m (6%)
- 07/08 - 1.5m (7%)
- 14/08 - 1.5m (8%)
- 21/08 - 1.2m (7%)
- 29/08 - 1.0m (5%)
- 11/10 - 1.3m (6%)
- 17/10 - 0.6m (3%)
- 25/10 - 1.2m (6%)

Source: Media Guardian

Which is not very good considering it was in primetime and did at one point get twice as high as that.

Just for comparison in the parallel week this time last year for Hollyoaks:

1) 1.8m (9.4%) vs 1.3m (7.0%)
2) 1.6m (8.3%) vs 0.9m (5.6%)
3) 1.5m (8.8%) vs 0.9m (5.2%)
4) 1.4m (8.0%) vs 1.0m (5.3%)
5) 1.1m (6.8%) vs 0.8m (4.4%)

First look editions were around 0.4m to 0.6m now they're around 0.3m.



Source: Digital Spy”

Remember though towards the end Brookie moved to 4pm Saturdays then 11pm Tuesdays. Again with C4 they reacted too late but I think if before the axe fell they'd reworked it as a weekly hour-long 9pm show (remember Brookie's downfall was really the other soaps taking it's slots in primetime) I think it could have survived a few years longer, but I'm not sure it would still be around today.

Originally Posted by tka:
“They need to stabilise the audience first so autumn sounds about right, otherwise its no use having a big stunt getting big ratings, only for most of the 'new' viewers to tune out straight away because they don't really care what happens afterwards.”

Worth noting though that everything with soaps is gradual. The decline for Hollyoaks has been over a period of 6-9 months, and any recovery will take just as long too. I think the target really is to halt the decline by the autumn, with a gradual improvement in ratings for early 2011, hopefully leading to being back where they should be towards the end of 2011. That's a good 18 months - not a problem that can be fixed within weeks.

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Unfortunately it has lost two thirds of its audience and is the most expensive show Channel 4 has and has no repeat or DVD value. Channel 4 said they only broke even on the last series. Yes they could have carried on with BB, but it could have done a Hollyoaks and slumped in the ratings, but at a far greater cost. C4 did right by axeing it as most people say it's had its day.”

The last contract both kept the show on air and led to it's downfall - Endemol's greed obviously cost them the show.


However, although a break is definately long overdue now I still think the show could have a long term future with a comeback in a few years - as long as it's a complete new start for the show, not picking up from where they left off. Sticking to the same format, same scheduling and bringing back Davina and Marcus would do it no favours at all. There are other adaptations of the Big Brother format around the world which if used as the basis of a relaunch could easily sustain the show for at least 4-5 more years.
Glenn A
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“I think Channel 4 made the right decision to axe Big Brother and it made sense commercially, creatively and politically as the money saved from Big Brother is being used to pump up other areas like drama which has been lacking, even though they have made some great one offs like Mo, they have yet to find a drama series to go alongside Shameless.

I don't get ITV's fascination with Marco as every project they have tried has flopped even his US show produced by ITV Studios flopped, I say once his contract has expired, drop him.”

I agree, Jonwo, had C4 renewed the contract and ratings fell to Brookside levels, then they would have a very expensive flop on their hands. Also as I've pointed out, the nature of BB means it can't be repeated or made into DVDs like a drama can. It's likely the last night of BB could get a large audience as a sympathy vote, but I still think ratings for the whole 12 weeks will be low.
tka
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Worth noting though that everything with soaps is gradual. The decline for Hollyoaks has been over a period of 6-9 months, and any recovery will take just as long too. I think the target really is to halt the decline by the autumn, with a gradual improvement in ratings for early 2011, hopefully leading to being back where they should be towards the end of 2011. That's a good 18 months - not a problem that can be fixed within weeks.”

I understand that, and by October the new producers episodes will be well underway. So he has the power to attempt to stop the ratings decline and make it level out at about 0.8-0.9m. What I'm saying is that is what they need to do immediately before they plan any big stunts, none of which should take place until the audience has definitely stabilised and there is solid ground to work on. If they had dramatic scenes planned for July and the ratings are down to about 0.6m by then, its no use having a random spike at 0.9m then back down to ordinary levels.

Quote:
“However, although a break is definately long overdue now I still think the show could have a long term future with a comeback in a few years - as long as it's a complete new start for the show, not picking up from where they left off. Sticking to the same format, same scheduling and bringing back Davina and Marcus would do it no favours at all. There are other adaptations of the Big Brother format around the world which if used as the basis of a relaunch could easily sustain the show for at least 4-5 more years.”

Remakes don't work. It's that simple. If Big Brother is ever to return, they should opt for The Secret Story name which is basically the same. A new host and voice over will always be compared to Davina and Marcus.
D.M.N.
02-05-2010
Some 15-Minute Breakdowns for you guys to gasp over, well, apart from Britain's Got Talent:

BBC One - excluding HD
Doctor Who
18:30 - 6.3m (32.0%)
18:45 - 6.6m (32.7%)
19:00 - 6.3m (30.9%)

Over the Rainbow
19:15 - 4.8m (23.4%)
19:30 - 5.0m (24.4%)
19:45 - 5.5m (25.7%)
20:00 - 4.4m (19.6%)

The National Lottery
20:15 - 3.7m (15.7%)
20:30 - 4.0m (16.7%)
20:45 - 4.4m (18.0%)

Casualty
21:00 - 5.7m (25.6%)
21:15 - 6.0m (27.0%)
21:30 - 6.2m (28.0%)

ITV1 - excluding HD
You've Been Framed!
18:00 - 2.3m (14.3%)
18:15 - 3.0m (16.8%)
18:30 - 4.2m (21.3%)
18:45 - 4.2m (21.0%)

The Whole 19 Yards
19:00 - 3.6m (17.8%)
19:15 - 4.0m (19.7%)
19:30 - 4.0m (19.4%)
19:45 - 4.8m (22.6%)

The Prisoner
21:00 - 2.9m (13.0%)
21:15 - 1.7m (7.4%)
21:30 - 1.4m (6.2%)
21:45 - 1.3m (5.9%)

In this weeks clash between Over the Rainbow and The Whole 19 Yards it was 5.1m (24.5%) vs. 4.3m (20.6%) so a convincing victory for Over the Rainbow.

Between 21:45 and 22:00, ITV1 was the lowest rated terrestrial channel. I also think the very poor first half an hour for You've Been Framed! really justifies ITV shifting its schedule so that it looks like:

18:00 - ITV News
18:30 - You've Been Framed!
19:30 - The Whole 19 Yards
20:30 - Britain's Got Talent
21:30 - It'll be Alright On The Night/Take Me Out/something that won't flop
22:30 - ITV News
22:45 - FILM
Pizzatheaction
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by C14E:
“ Broadcast reports that Jay Hunt is a potential replacement for Lygo...”

Yes, please!
Brekkie
02-05-2010
It wouldn't be a remake though - more of a sequel I guess.


Anyway, Sky 1 have commissioned a new show "Must be the Music", which is basically Got to Dance but for singers and musicians of all genres, whether solo or part of a large choir or band. All they need now is a variety version and they've got the three shows that make up Britain's Got Talent.


Talking of BGT, despite the denials some more rumours in the press today that Simon is so fed up of Amanda and Piers putting acts through he doesn't agree with, he will quit the audition stage - which basically gives Amanda and Piers free reign and Simon no input into the audition process (on screen) at all. Can't really see the logic in that, Fleet Street fiction writers!
Pizzatheaction
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Gordon Brown was a flop, who's idea was it to air a political interview on a Friday night?!”

Gordon Brown's idea, as was David Cameron's idea the previous Friday.

The BBC wanted to run these interviews on Mondays 19th and 26th April.
iaindb
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“They must be able to do a bit better than 10.3m > 1.8m though - surely!
”

Even Eastenders into Panorama doesn't do as bad as that.
Pizzatheaction
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“ It seems that BBC1's strategy is to put the last 10 minutes of OTR against BGT if they can.”

Well, almost. The actual strategy is to start Casualty straight after Talent ends. The OTR/Talent overlap comes about from Talent being ten minutes longer than the lottery programmes.
sn_22
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Talking of BGT, despite the denials some more rumours in the press today that Simon is so fed up of Amanda and Piers putting acts through he doesn't agree with, he will quit the audition stage - which basically gives Amanda and Piers free reign and Simon no input into the audition process (on screen) at all. Can't really see the logic in that, Fleet Street fiction writers!”

Typical made-up junk. Cowell is in complete control. Amanda and Piers might send through acts he doesn't like - but if he really doesn't want them, they'll just disappear into the black hole between the auditions and live shows.

Basically, its a story intended to keep BGT in the news and also defend Cowell's reputation as the 'serious' judge, while still putting the 'colour' acts through to the live shows.
Pizzatheaction
02-05-2010
Ouch at The Prisoner attracting a lower audience share than a black and white episode of Dad's Army.
Charnham
02-05-2010
I would quite like to see ITV 2s rating for BGT: Extra see how it compared to The Prisoner, guess ill have to wait till Tuesday, tomorrow being Bank Holiday and all
Chris1964
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Typical made-up junk. Cowell is in complete control. Amanda and Piers might send through acts he doesn't like - but if he really doesn't want them, they'll just disappear into the black hole between the auditions and live shows.

Basically, its a story intended to keep BGT in the news and also defend Cowell's reputation as the 'serious' judge, while still putting the 'colour' acts through to the live shows.”

Well Ive always wondered exactly what qualification both Amanda and Piers possess to make the decisions they do.
Cent
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Well Ive always wondered exactly what qualification both Amanda and Piers possess to make the decisions they do.”

Piers Morgan is an ex-newspaper editor who probably has dirt on Cowell. We can only guess at how Amanda "I married Les Dennis to get famous" Holden got the gig.
Charnham
02-05-2010
no adverts on ITV 2+1 today, can anyone offer any theories?
Cent
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“no adverts on ITV 2+1 today, can anyone offer any theories?”

Must be a good reason to actually block them.

Can't think of one at the moment though.

It would be a very odd technical fault to have.

Edit: Yeh, I see it. They are actually taking the effort to block them out, even the programme sponsorship.

I can only think they've realised they've not been paying for the rights or something - do companies pay for the rights to use images/music in adverts?

Very odd.
C14E
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Well Ive always wondered exactly what qualification both Amanda and Piers possess to make the decisions they do.”

The official line is that Piers used to edit The Sun's Bizzare column (entertainment & showbiz) and was Take That's biographer. In the course of that, he came to know Simon Cowell who was plugging his own acts.

Amanda was a reasonably successful actress (Cutting It, Wild At Heart among others) and starred in a few musicals, picking up a Laurence Olivier award nomination. She wasn't originally meant to have that role, Cheryl Cole dropped out at the last minute.
Cent
02-05-2010
To be fair Amanda Holden has performed at the Royal Variety.
Charnham
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“I can only think they've realised they've not been paying for the rights or something - do companies pay for the rights to use images/music in adverts?

Very odd.”

I know C4 had some problems when it first streamed C4 online, meaning they had to cut the ads.

However ITV 2+1 is not exactly a new channel, and given how they have had problems with legal rights for programs on ITV 2+1, you would think they would have double checked the status of the advertising as well.

I dont have ITV 3+1 or ITV4+1 so I cant check them, but if anybody could, it would be interesting
Chris1964
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Piers Morgan is an ex-newspaper editor who probably has dirt on Cowell. We can only guess at how Amanda "I married Les Dennis to get famous" Holden got the gig.”

Superbly cynical response
Jonwo
02-05-2010
Originally Posted by C14E:
“The official line is that Piers used to edit The Sun's Bizzare column (entertainment & showbiz) and was Take That's biographer. In the course of that, he came to know Simon Cowell who was plugging his own acts.

Amanda was a reasonably successful actress (Cutting It, Wild At Heart among others) and starred in a few musicals, picking up a Laurence Olivier award nomination. She wasn't originally meant to have that role, Cheryl Cole dropped out at the last minute.”

Wasn't The Hoff supposed to take the Simon role? he's been replaced by Howie Mandell on AGT but the dynamic would be very different with Hoff, Piers and Amanda.

People who know or have worked with Cowell appear on various versions of his shows worldwide e.g. Sharon Osborne on America's Got Talent, Dannii Minogue on X Factor and Australia's Got Talent and even Brian McFadden who was in Westlife appears in Australia's Got Talent although I suspect that one is due to his success there.
D.M.N.
02-05-2010
Doctor Who - Flesh and Stone: 5-Minute Breakdown
18:15 - 4.91m
18:20 - 5.27m
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18:25 - 6.08m
18:30 - 6.16m
18:35 - 6.34m
18:40 - 6.46m
18:45 - 6.52m
18:50 - 6.59m
18:55 - 6.77m
19:00 - 7.15m
19:05 - 6.69m
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19:15 - 5.09m
19:20 - 4.92m
19:25 - 4.99m
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