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I think ITV will want some sort of weekday drama airing in the Summer, which is probably why they haven't used Identity now. Perhaps The Prisoner was supposed to air there but after seeing it ITV didn't want it on Mondays? They've got Father and Son to slot in as well, but I'd have thought they'd want that on Mondays. Maybe they'll do what I suggested yesterday and put it on Thursdays? As for that Monday slot, 2 weeks and then a football match is awkward but I still think Greatest Cities will go there as they're individual episodes so the third one can be moved to a different night without any fuss (Wednesday?).
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Ah, I forgot about that. How many episodes is The Prisoner? Maybe they could strip it across a week or air it:
- Monday 10th - Tuesday 11th - Wednesday 12th - Monday 17th - Tuesday 18th - Wednesday 19th I don't think there would be any footy commitments on those dates and no (currently scheduled) dramas on those dates either. |
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Yeah but what I meant is why did they stick a post from an hour before the thread was split at the top of this thread and leave other subsequent posts in the last thread? Very odd.
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I think The Prisoner's definitely airing in April as it's been reported so and ITV has started some 'Coming Soon' promos for it.
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Ah, I forgot about that. How many episodes is The Prisoner? Maybe they could strip it across a week or air it:
- Monday 10th - Tuesday 11th - Wednesday 12th - Monday 17th - Tuesday 18th - Wednesday 19th I don't think there would be any footy commitments on those dates and no (currently scheduled) dramas on those dates either. Please bear in mind, The Prisoner remake is awful, and even aside from that personal opinion, it's more surreal than Twin Peaks ever was. It won't play to a mainstream audience at all, in my 'umble opinion |
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Is The Prisoner a US drama? The title is really familiar, though it's not something I've seen, Thanks
Edit: though you could argue the remake owes as much to Lost as the original series. |
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Why is the television so obsessed with 16-34? I am sure a programme would do better with an over 35 audience, who make up more of the population and are mostly better off as they are mostly more settled in their careers and the kids have left home, etc. I'm not talking about wall to wall Heartbeat and Last of the Summer Wine, but more programmes aimed at my demographic would be preferable to bitchy, trashy reality shows, juvenile comedies and yoof obsessed soaps.
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Managed to get all the main Formula 1 ratings from the weekend, and with that in mind:
Australian Grand Prix - Ratings Roundup 2008 Qualifying 0.38m (25.7%) - Live 1.70m (16.7%) - Re-Run Total = 2.08 million Race 0.81m (54.4%) - Live 3.75m (23.0%) - Re-Run Total = 4.56 million 2009 Qualifying 0.80m (44.6%) - Live 2.53m (27.3%) - Re-Run Total = 3.33 million Race 2.13m (60.5%) - Live 2.85m (30.2%) - Re-Run Total = 4.98 million 2010 Qualifying 0.81m (39.1%) - Live 1.93m (21.0%) - Re-Run Total = 2.74 million Race 1.95m (53.7%) - Live 2.56m (23.4%) - Re-Run Total = 4.51 million Lowest race rating for Australia since 2007, to be expected I guess considering it was not Round 1 of the championship. |
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March BBC1/ITV1 Primetime Shares
With March now over (in terms of BARB weeks), below are the primetime share averages for BBC1 and ITV1 for last month. In brackets are the equivalent averages from March last year:
BBC One March Overall: 22.2% (22.8%) Monday: 21.5% (21.3%) Tuesday: 24.3% (22.3%) Wednesday: 19.4% (20.1%) Thursday: 22.5% (25.4%) Friday: 24.0% (26.8%) Saturday: 24.4% (26.0%) Sunday: 19.0% (17.5%) ITV1 March Overall: 20.8% (22.0%) Monday: 23.5% (27.1%) Tuesday: 13.5% (18.8%) Wednesday: 22.3% (21.6%) Thursday: 21.7% (17.2%) Friday: 19.6% (19.3%) Saturday: 19.6% (19.0%) Sunday: 25.2% (30.8%) --------------------------------------------------- Like February, both BBC1 and ITV1 were down compared to last year. The fall for ITV1 was, once again, particularly big. BBC1 was down on most days but made some good improvements on Tuesdays and Sundays. Sundays have been helped by strong performances by Antiqes Roadshow and Lark Rise. Their top night was Saturday, though it was down from March ’09 probably due to the slightly lower numbers Let’s Dance and Casualty got this year. ITV1 was actually up on most days, but saw a big fall overall due to some large declines on Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays. The lead over BBC1 on Sundays halved from 13.3% (2009) to 6.2% (2010). Despite some lacklustre ratings on Friday and Saturday recently such as Dining Stars and Push The Button, both days were up from last year as last year they had some awful rating programmes airing in March such as Moving Wallpaper, Al Murray and The Colour of Money. So overall in 2010 to date, the Q1 primetime share averages for BBC1 and ITV1 are: BBC1: 22.1% (22.5%) ITV1: 21.2% (22.1%) BBC1 nicely ahead of ITV1 in the primetime shares and I think they could win 2010 overall unless ITV1 has a particularly strong performing quarter. For Q1, BBC1 was down slightly compared to the first 3 months last year, but ITV1 saw a pretty big decline. Will be interesting to see how the next 3 months pan out, what with the World Cup coming up. |
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Why is the television so obsessed with 16-34? I am sure a programme would do better with an over 35 audience, who make up more of the population and are mostly better off as they are mostly more settled in their careers and the kids have left home, etc. I'm not talking about wall to wall Heartbeat and Last of the Summer Wine, but more programmes aimed at my demographic would be preferable to bitchy, trashy reality shows, juvenile comedies and yoof obsessed soaps.
However, with shows like Hollyoaks and stuff like Glee it does make sense to look at the 16-34 demo - why we don't look at 18-49 or 18-54 for the more mainstream shows I don't know. I guess advertisers think those under 35 more likely to be single, so have more disposable income for themselves, rather than having to think about family etc. |
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Ever since the advent of Multi-channel TV & the internet the mains channels have seen dramatic drops in prime-time audience share.
Shows such as CS & EE have dropped 5+ million viewers, you could argue that millions of viewers have literally died off over the past 20 years and new viewers are not turning in to watch such shows. I can remember watching TV for 6 hours+ per evening in the 80s - especially pre-summertime , nowadays I watch less than 2 hours on the average evening. The main reason for many people is that there are so many other things to do now, of course a lot more people work in evenings now and at weekends. |
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With March now over (in terms of BARB weeks), below are the primetime share averages for BBC1 and ITV1 for last month. In brackets are the equivalent averages from March last year:
BBC One March Overall: 22.2% (22.8%) Monday: 21.5% (21.3%) Tuesday: 24.3% (22.3%) Wednesday: 19.4% (20.1%) Thursday: 22.5% (25.4%) Friday: 24.0% (26.8%) Saturday: 24.4% (26.0%) Sunday: 19.0% (17.5%) ITV1 March Overall: 20.8% (22.0%) Monday: 23.5% (27.1%) Tuesday: 13.5% (18.8%) Wednesday: 22.3% (21.6%) Thursday: 21.7% (17.2%) Friday: 19.6% (19.3%) Saturday: 19.6% (19.0%) Sunday: 25.2% (30.8%) -- So overall in 2010 to date, the Q1 primetime share averages for BBC1 and ITV1 are: BBC1: 22.1% (22.5%) ITV1: 21.2% (22.1%) Just for the avoidance of doubt (and hopefully we can avoid starting up this debate again!) what definition of primetime are these based on? ITV have been OK so far this year, but haven't seen the sort of big drama successes (notably the Monday Night Thrillers) which defined the beginning of 2009 for them. The Tuesday catastrophe has been well documented and the Sunday line-up is in clear decline too - though I guess they weren't programming past 10.00pm as they used to when they ran drama out of the Skate-Off from 9.30. BBC One stocked up the first couple of months of the year with a better drama line-up than 2009 which must have helped, and though its uninspiring, Masterchef has probably aided opposite the soaps over the last month. EastEnders great couple of months would have been a boost, too - especially now its settled much closer to Corrie than 12 months ago. Oh, and thanks for the Gavin and Stacey stats on the last thread too. Slightly surprised the %age wasn't a bit higher, though it still had more raw viewers in that demo than anything bar the soaps and the Doctor. I think the move to BBC One probably introduced an older audience to a show younger people had been following from the outset.
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BBC Press Office has updated:
- A Passionate Woman to air Sunday, April 11th from 21:00 to 22:30, with Part 2 presumably the week after. Don't think it will do well because it starts an hour into Foyle's War. - Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday 9pm slots for that week are blank. EDIT: I wonder what ITV will do if either FA Cup Semi Final goes into Extra Time? On the Saturday I presume the Harry Potter film will move back and Piers Morgan might go for a week, but for the Sunday you might find the early part of primetime being badly affected. |
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I wouldn't say UK TV is as obsessed with demos as other countries are, but it can be the difference between the axe and a recommission. Demos only really come into play here when the headline figure is relatively poor - we've been talking about Hollyoaks the last few pages and how it's headline figure is shocking at the moment, but it's 16-34 figure is still very strong and actually within touching distance of some big UK dramas.
However, with shows like Hollyoaks and stuff like Glee it does make sense to look at the 16-34 demo - why we don't look at 18-49 or 18-54 for the more mainstream shows I don't know. I guess advertisers think those under 35 more likely to be single, so have more disposable income for themselves, rather than having to think about family etc. |
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Just for the avoidance of doubt (and hopefully we can avoid starting up this debate again!) what definition of primetime are these based on?
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Happy new ratings thread!
![]() I'm surprised Survival seems to be going in the Sunday 6.30pm slot being as that was the slot which killed it off in the first place. |
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Happy new ratings thread!
![]() I'm surprised Survival seems to be going in the Sunday 6.30pm slot being as that was the slot which killed it off in the first place. |
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Looks like ITV have shifted it as it's not mentioned on their Press Centre. Starting the following week at 7pm looks more likely (7:15pm would be better as that would avoid Countryfile completely).
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US Ratings - Monday 29th March
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8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 22.56m (5.5) * Down from 24.2m & 6.4 last week * American Idol last week had 23.84m (Tue) & 21.0m (Wed) * Still well above last years ratings 10pm - Castle - 14.47m (3.7) * Includes some DWTS overrun * Growth has been a big positive for ABC this season CBS: 8.30pm - Rules of Engagement - 7.26m (2.9) FOX: 9pm - 24 - 8.31m (2.6) * Not showing any bounce from the big news * Down 30% (A18-49) from equivalent episode last year NBC: 8pm - Chuck - 5.59m (2.1) * Recovers from last weeks 1.9 series low 9pm - Trauma - 4.80m (1.5) 10pm - Law & Order - 5.98m (1.8) * Lost to a repeat of CSI: Miami http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/30...uck-rise/46581 |
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Looks like NBC has got other shows more worthy of the chop than Chuck.
Mega for Castle. Five should have picked this show up in the UK. |
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ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 22.56m (5.5) * Down from 24.2m & 6.4 last week * American Idol last week had 23.84m (Tue) & 21.0m (Wed) * Still well above last years ratings 10pm - Castle - 14.47m (3.7) * Includes some DWTS overrun * Growth has been a big positive for ABC this season CBS: 8.30pm - Rules of Engagement - 7.26m (2.9) FOX: 9pm - 24 - 8.31m (2.6) * Not showing any bounce from the big news * Down 30% (A18-49) from equivalent episode last year NBC: 8pm - Chuck - 5.59m (2.1) * Recovers from last weeks 1.9 series low 9pm - Trauma - 4.80m (1.5) 10pm - Law & Order - 5.98m (1.8) * Lost to a repeat of CSI: Miami http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/30...uck-rise/46581 DWTS ran over only by a couple of minutes so it shouldn't really matter, but I must say Castle is quite good; despite it reminding me of Monk a bit too much. Overall I'd think it would have been a good addition to FIVE, but I think maybe BBC should pick it up for their daytime "diagnosis murder" crime slot or as daytime/late night drama somewhere in the schedules. Something I noticed about DWTS was there was an Ad Break after every individual dance. I did also notice and like the "BBC Worldwide" studios ident, does anyone have a youtube link to that?The female host (I think Brekkie was her name) had some trouble filling up dead air though I think that she'll get the hang of it soon enough. |
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Looks like NBC has got other shows more worthy of the chop than Chuck.
Law & Order will be back but it'll go to Fridays again. NBC have had a pretty good midseason in primetime, to be fair. Parenthood was up to a 2.7 last week, The Marriage Ref keeps falling but it still had a 2.5 last week. Who Do You Think You Are? has done OK on Fridays as well. Their only downside has been Leno sliding 20-25% from where he used to be. Quote:
Mega for Castle. Five should have picked this show up in the UK.
Has anyone picked it up yet? I know it's future was a bit shaky last season but it has been doing really well since Christmas.
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Has anyone picked it up yet? I know it's future was a bit shaky last season but it has been doing really well since Christmas.
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I wouldn't say UK TV is as obsessed with demos as other countries are, but it can be the difference between the axe and a recommission. Demos only really come into play here when the headline figure is relatively poor - we've been talking about Hollyoaks the last few pages and how it's headline figure is shocking at the moment, but it's 16-34 figure is still very strong and actually within touching distance of some big UK dramas.
However, with shows like Hollyoaks and stuff like Glee it does make sense to look at the 16-34 demo - why we don't look at 18-49 or 18-54 for the more mainstream shows I don't know. I guess advertisers think those under 35 more likely to be single, so have more disposable income for themselves, rather than having to think about family etc. Probably everyone who works in advertising is under 34 and thinks that everyone over 34 is like Young Mr Grace from Are You Being Served. Although, of course, Glee and Hollyoaks would probably have been 2 of Young Mr Grace's favourite programmes.
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Oh, and thanks for the Gavin and Stacey stats on the last thread too. Slightly surprised the %age wasn't a bit higher, though it still had more raw viewers in that demo than anything bar the soaps and the Doctor. I think the move to BBC One probably introduced an older audience to a show younger people had been following from the outset. |
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Speaking of demographics and ratings, the least desirable to advertisers is the C2DE over 60, although I would say a large part of the audience for Corrie, Emmerdale and Heartbeat will come from this demographic. I do recall ITV in the mid eighties trying to jettison this demographic as it was held to have little disposable income, often didn't drive and was unattractive to advertisers- hence why programmes such as World of Sport, Crossroads and old style variety were ditched and programmes for this age group were often moved into daytime.
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Slightly surprised the %age wasn't a bit higher, though it still had more raw viewers in that demo than anything bar the soaps and the Doctor. I think the move to BBC One probably introduced an older audience to a show younger people had been following from the outset.
I did also notice and like the "BBC Worldwide" studios ident, does anyone have a youtube link to that?