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The Ratings Thread (Part 8) (Merged)
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Brekkie
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“The ITV shows aren't interviews, are they? They're just profiles of the leaders, which hardly seems worth bothering with.”

They must be interviews as reports today of David Cameron breaking down in his interview with Mark Austin last night.
cherubmattd
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“They must be interviews as reports today of David Cameron breaking down in his interview with Mark Austin last night.”

Call me cynical, but that's sick vote getting.
Pizzatheaction
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's fascinating that Sky are only bothering to promote the HD coverage of the debate.

I know it's a bit of a first for them in more than just the one sense, but isn't it a bit daft not to mention the SD broadcast at all in the advertising?”

Especially if most of the Sky News viewers are Freeview ones, which I'm guessing they might be.
Cent
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Especially if most of the Sky News viewers are Freeview ones, which I'm guessing they might be.”

Sky aren't really interesting in convincing Freeview viewers to watch it though.

They want to win subscriptions from this, not high ratings.

HD is Sky exclusive.

Sky News is so far past loss-making the ad revenue is almost negligible.
Pizzatheaction
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Thats why they drew lots.

No coins involved”

Just as well.

The BBC would have been accused of wasting a licence-payer's coin.

ITV would have claimed they couldn't afford a coin.

And BSkyB would have kept putting up the cost of the coin.

craig-maclellan
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“The news ratings always go down at election time, especially before 2001 when the BBC extended the Nine O'Clock News to an hour, which was utterly unappealing. Since 2001 it's been extended to a more managable 45 minutes, and of course it's on later too, so the ratings are less affected. But in the past they used to plummet.

I remember in 1992 the Beeb even got a completely different set for the Nine O'Clock News during the election campaign so they could have co-presenters and pundits on it. And everyone complained because it was blue.”

I would only have been 9 at the time of the 1997 election, but even I remember the news being stupidly long during the election campaign.

Also, it said in the Independent's media section yesterday that Huw Edwards (and presumably the other news programmes) will be reading the news from the BBC's election studio in TC1 during election week.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...0-1941809.html
Pizzatheaction
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Score:
“Well it's had very good reviews and Lumley's a pretty big name and is probably a 'national treasure' (as much as I hate that phrase)...”

Is that a polite way of saying "in need of restoration"?
Pizzatheaction
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Sky aren't really interesting in convincing Freeview viewers to watch it though.

They want to win subscriptions from this, not high ratings.

HD is Sky exclusive.

Sky News is so far past loss-making the ad revenue is almost negligible.”

I wouldn't be surprised if they whip Sky News off Freeview at some point.
Dancc
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Sky aren't really interesting in convincing Freeview viewers to watch it though.

They want to win subscriptions from this, not high ratings.

HD is Sky exclusive.

Sky News is so far past loss-making the ad revenue is almost negligible.”

As interested as I am in the upcoming debates, is there really that much demand for seeing Gordon and Dave in HD?

Obviously existing customers will benefit. But customers who have resisted HD so far suddenly taking the plunge because of an upcoming political debate? I can't see it somehow!

Is it really a surprise Sky News is not profitable when they do things like this? Channel 517 will just lead to a dead end when most viewers try it. This was their best chance at drawing the viewers in in time for the election coverage and they've blown it by pushing the HD coverage too hard and basically ignoring the free-to-air offering.

It's typical Sky, but ultimately wasteful and stupid. There is no reason why Sky News could not thrive in a FTA environment, with the premium aspect being the HD feed, ensuring the best of both worlds. But first Sky would have to get over this idea that something they offer for free isn't worth promoting.
Cent
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“As interested as I am in the upcoming debates, is there really that much demand for seeing Gordon and Dave in HD?

Obviously existing customers will benefit. But customers who have resisted HD so far suddenly taking the plunge because of an upcoming political debate? I can't see it somehow!

Is it really a surprise Sky News is not profitable when they do things like this? Channel 517 will just lead to a dead end when most viewers try it. This was their best chance at drawing the viewers in in time for the election coverage and they've blown it by pushing the HD coverage too hard and basically ignoring the free-to-air offering.

It's typical Sky, but ultimately wasteful and stupid. There is no reason why Sky News could not thrive in a FTA environment, with the premium aspect being the HD feed, ensuring the best of both worlds. But first Sky would have to get over this idea that something they offer for free isn't worth promoting.”

But the Sky channels don't exist to be popular channels, or high rating channels, or money-making channels. Their sole aim is to attract subscribers.

Sky News being on Freeview comes from an old arrangement and Sky keep it there so in order to keep those Freeview slots, because they are don't want to lose them in case they are allowed to go pay at any time.

But essentially it is exists, like Sky1 and Sky Arts, to attract people to Sky. That's why they bought Lost - to convince people they needed to get Sky to continue watching the best US drama. I doubt it ever made them money - Channel 4 couldn't make it work with up to 3 times the viewers.
Dancc
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I wouldn't be surprised if they whip Sky News off Freeview at some point.”

Me neither. In an ideal world Ofcom would have approved Picnic only on the condition that Sky withdrew from the Freeview consortium, handed back the capacity that was gifted to them at the beginning and launch it using some other space.

The freed up capacity could then be shared out between the remaining members of the Freeview consortium; the BBC, ITV and Channel 4, to improve or expand upon their existing FTA services. (so 1 extra 24 hour slot each)
D.M.N.
13-04-2010
Been looking on BBC Archive today as they've unveiled as Doctor Who archive, and in them is some interesting audience figures, and for some includes the ITV opposition figures (unfortunately not the programme) in the rival timeslot:

Saturday, 19th November, 1966 - 17:50 to 18:15
- BBC1, Doctor Who - The Power of the Daleks: 7.8m
- ITV: 10.9m

Saturday, 3rd January, 1970 - 17:15 to 17:40
- BBC1, Doctor Who - Spearhead from Space: 8.4m*
- ITV: 6.2m

Saturday, 28th** December 1974, 17:35 to 18:00
- BBC1, Doctor Who - Robot: 10.8m
- ITV: 5.2m

Thought you guys would find this interesting. Unfortunately it doesn't say the ITV programme names, does anyone know what the opposition would be round this time?

* BBC document doesn't contain exact number, so I've had to use Wikipedia to help work out the ITV number.

** Note, BBC Archive says the 26th December, however, having just checked, no such date exists.
GeorgeS
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Unfortunately it doesn't say the ITV programme names, does anyone know what the opposition would be round this time?”

I would suspect there are multiple regional variations in those slots on ITV as this was the days when only the peaktime shedule was networked
Cent
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Saturday, 19th November, 1966 - 17:50 to 18:15
- BBC1, Doctor Who - The Power of the Daleks: 7.8m
- ITV: 10.9m

Saturday, 3rd January, 1970 - 17:15 to 17:40
- BBC1, Doctor Who - Spearhead from Space: 8.4m*
- ITV: 6.2m

Saturday, 28th** December 1974, 17:35 to 18:00
- BBC1, Doctor Who - Robot: 10.8m
- ITV: 5.2m”

Sat 19 Nov 1966
ITV
5.00 Results Round-up
5.15 Professional Wrestling
6.15 Emergency Ward 10
7.10 Paths of Glory
8.40 George and the Dragon
9.10 The Baron
10.05 News
10.15 Mystery and Imagination

Sat 3 Jan 1970
ITV
5.00 Results Service
5.15 Doctor in the House (rpt)
5.45 News
5.50 Bonanza
6.45 The John Davidson Show
7.35 Never a Cross Word
8.05 Rocky Mountain
9.35 News
9.45 Saturday Night Theatre
10.40 The Untouchables

Sat 28 Dec 1974
ITV
5.00 News
5.20 New Faces
6.20 Sale of the Century
6.50 The Saturday Film: Land Raiders
8.30 It's Norman
9.30 News
9.45 Candid Camera
10.15 Lift at the Top
Cent
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“I would suspect there are multiple regional variations in those slots on ITV as this was the days when only the peaktime shedule was networked”

The above is for London - but I think it was networked.
D.M.N.
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“5.15 Professional Wrestling”

Wow, from 10 million in 1966 to near zero today on Sky!

Originally Posted by Cent:
“5.15 Doctor in the House (rpt)”

And a repeat programme getting 6 million?! Blimey.

Originally Posted by Cent:
“5.20 New Faces”

Based on the name, this sounds like a quiz show, but I'm probably wrong.

EDIT: Just read you're message underneath...
Pizzatheaction
13-04-2010
My favourite quote from the newly-published Doctor Who archive concerns the 1987 series:

Quote:
“Bonnie Langford, who played the Doctor's assistant Mel can only be described as unpopular with respondents. Indeed 56% of respondents who answered a questionnaire on the Paradise Towers story wished she had been eaten...”



http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/changin...4.shtml?page=2
C14E
13-04-2010
ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 20.27m (4.7)
* Likely to lose crown as most watched show of the week to Idol
* Overran at 10pm, will be adjusted upwards
10pm - Castle - 13.16m (3.2)
* Due to DWTS overrun, will be adjusted downwards
* In preliminary numbers, Castle tied for #1 at 10pm

CBS:
8pm - How I Met Your Mother - 6.88m (2.8)
* Down 22% from last original episode
* Season low
8.30pm - Rules of Engagement - 7.38m (2.8)
* Up 8% from last week (where it's lead-in was a repeat)
9pm - Two and a Half Men - 13.47m (4.6)
* Down 10% from last original episode
9.30pm - The Big Bang Theory - 13.12m (5.0)
* Down 6% from last original episode
* #1 show of the night among adults 18-49
10pm - CSI: Miami - 10.84m (3.1)
* Lowest rating ever

FOX:
8pm - House - 10.54m (4.0)
* First new episode for over a month
* Tied for season low
9pm - 24 - 8.33m (2.6)
* With House lead-in, rises 13%
* Down 28% from same night last year

NBC:
Repeats

Where comparisons are made, they relate to the adults 18-49 rating (the number in brackets).

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/04/13...-hold-up/48120

A bit of a slump for HIMYM there, well down from last year as well (30%) but 8pm shows are hit harder by the good weather and House returning can't have helped. The CBS comedy block does seem to be suffering a bit from being on and off recently but 9pm held up far better.

DWTS did well but Idol should beat the 20.3m audience to reclaim its position as most watched show on TV. It's usual 2 minute overrun inflates Castle's figure a bit (handy for ABC making those early morning press releases).
Wryip
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Sat 19 Nov 1966
ITV
5.00 Results Round-up
5.15 Professional Wrestling
6.15 Emergency Ward 10
7.10 Paths of Glory
8.40 George and the Dragon
9.10 The Baron
10.05 News
10.15 Mystery and Imagination

Sat 3 Jan 1970
ITV
5.00 Results Service
5.15 Doctor in the House (rpt)
5.45 News
5.50 Bonanza
6.45 The John Davidson Show
7.35 Never a Cross Word
8.05 Rocky Mountain
9.35 News
9.45 Saturday Night Theatre
10.40 The Untouchables

Sat 28 Dec 1974
ITV
5.00 News
5.20 New Faces
6.20 Sale of the Century
6.50 The Saturday Film: Land Raiders
8.30 It's Norman
9.30 News
9.45 Candid Camera
10.15 Lift at the Top”

Ironically Doctor Who went from being beaten by the wrestling by over 2m in 1966 to slaughtering the wrestling on ITV1 in 2005. Anyone remember this turkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Wrestling
Mikeandhersonq
13-04-2010
What would ratings be like if we had to immigration! How would ITV cope!
Agent F
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“Ironically Doctor Who went from being beaten by the wrestling by over 2m in 1966 to slaughtering the wrestling on ITV1 in 2005. Anyone remember this turkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Wrestling”

I remember ITV heavily promoting that - they even had special idents and breakbumpers.
jake lyle
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“Ironically Doctor Who went from being beaten by the wrestling by over 2m in 1966 to slaughtering the wrestling on ITV1 in 2005. Anyone remember this turkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Wrestling”

Who could forget the Brawler Lawler and Gentleman Jim Hewitt.
C14E
13-04-2010
Obviously the big news is Conan O'Brien's decision to join TBS. It is home to Family Guy repeats, which perform well in repeats particularly with young adult males which is one of the things which attracted Conan to the network.

Quote:
“Indeed, (President of Turner Entertainment Networks, Steve) Koonin keeps saying his TBS audience has an average age of 35. That's 10 years younger than Fox, and 18 years younger than NBC or CBS. He's all about youthful demographics, not old people eyeballs.”

Nikki Finke at Deadline Hollywood seems to think FOX did really want him but they just couldn't get the deal done due to affiliate problems. Their cable network, FX, was also interested and planning a meeting next week.

The deal apparently was very last minute and George Lopez played a big part in convincing Conan to join. Lopez hosts Lopez Tonight at 11pm, which now moves to 12am... will it still be called Lopez Tonight?!

Quote:
“ The TBS deal came about with lightning speed. Only a week and a half ago, Michael Wright, the head of programming for TBS and TNT and TCM, called Conan's manager Gavin Polone and asked if O'Brien would consider TBS. (Wright and Polone know each other well because TBS airs the sitcom My Boys which Polone co-produces.)

Polone's reaction was to ask what happens to George Lopez's show which airs at 11 PM. Wright assured him that Lopez Tonight would move to midnight. "Uh, we've heard that story before in another context," our sources say Palone responded, referring to the NBC/Jay Leno mess that wound up with Conan losing The Tonight Show.

Next thing, Steve Koonin, president of Turner Entertainment Networks, flew in from Atlanta (where the media company is based) to personally pitch to O'Brien and Team Conan. Koonin was "very dynamic and very aggressive," a source tells us. "But we just didn't want another situation. He kept assuring us, 'I know George. George will see this as a good thing.' And then George called Conan.

"What Lopez told O'Brien was, 'Not only do I want it. but here's why it's good for you.' Conan was very moved, very impressed. And then everyone met with the other TBS people again." That's when the negotiating began in earnest. As one insider told us, "I've never been involved in a deal this complex that was negotiated over 2 days. Literally, 2 days."”

The full story:

http://www.deadline.com/2010/04/cona...akes-tbs-deal/
__________________
WWE Smackdown is moving to Syfy network. It has been on MyNetworkTV for the past few years but that channel is all but dead apart from Smackdown. Syfy network is part of NBC Universal. NBCU owns USA Network, the #1 cable channel among viewers and adults 18-49 which is home to WWE Raw.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/04/13...-to-syfy/48137
jake lyle
13-04-2010
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“I remember ITV heavily promoting that - they even had special idents and breakbumpers.”

I remember Kate Lawler on Simon Mayo's radio Five Live show announcing that 'Doctor who' was awful and that CW would easily beat Doctor Who in week two of their ratings battle, [week 1 was DW 7m vs CW 3.5m] As word of mouth was great for celebrity wrestling
D.M.N.
13-04-2010
Having just watched the BBC News, I can see why people are not watching the main bulletins.

20 minutes purely on election related coverage, 5 minutes on Doctor Who and 5 minutes on the weather.

EDIT: Regarding Celebrity Wrestling above....

Quote:
“"There's a massive appetite for shows like this," she says. "The viewing figures will tell you that.

"Television is all about spectacle and drama. If audiences continue to grow for shows like Celebrity Wrestling then more will be made."”

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