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Old 31-03-2010, 19:20
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Are the games on William Hill's website fixed, or random?

For example, in Blackjack when the cards are dealt, are the next cards already chosen before you bet, or are they chosen after you bet depending on how much they've taken in, and how much has been paid out globally?

Also, anyone know any sites where you can play Craps but it's random?
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Old 31-03-2010, 19:33
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I have my suspicions about all "computer" games - the National Lottery website instant wins, the TV channel computer generated roulette wheels, etc, etc. Anything that can be "programmed" can be fixed.
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Old 31-03-2010, 19:34
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Are the games on William Hill's website fixed, or random?

For example, in Blackjack when the cards are dealt, are the next cards already chosen before you bet, or are they chosen after you bet depending on how much they've taken in, and how much has been paid out globally?

Also, anyone know any sites where you can play Craps but it's random?
UK law requires it to random.

The server will pick to cards after you execute the bet, the amount taken/bet should not influence the servers outcome.
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Old 31-03-2010, 19:53
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UK law requires it to random.

The server will pick to cards after you execute the bet, the amount taken/bet should not influence the servers outcome.
Are you sure?

So it's no different playing online than it is in a casino (probability wise)?
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Old 31-03-2010, 20:09
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you may not believe them but from
http://casino.williamhill.com/help/fair-payouts/

The house edge at casino.williamhill.com is exactly the same as a land based casino. It is not like a fruit machine where the machine is programmed to win over a period of time. Whatever the customer has bet on or the amount they have staked has absolutely no influence whatsoever on the number the random number generator arrives at.
To provide full transparency, TST independently audit all bets placed on the William Hill Casino site to give the percentage payout of William Hill Casino. The fair payout report is displayed here for all players to refer to and shows that the games meet international fairness standards in our commitment to provide a fair and reliable online gambling environment.
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Old 31-03-2010, 20:14
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I have my suspicions about all "computer" games - the National Lottery website instant wins, the TV channel computer generated roulette wheels, etc, etc. Anything that can be "programmed" can be fixed.

Go into the bookies and play the roulette machines, because its a program, it has flaw and if you know what flaw to look for, you can win big

One of the flaw I know of, if "0" comes in, in the next 5 spins, one of 5 number will come up

So if you spin and "0" comes in and you place 10 on 15, you have a 1 in 5 chance it will come in, so it best to start with a small bet, 1, and start increasing
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Old 31-03-2010, 20:17
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Go into the bookies and play the roulette machines, because its a program, it has flaw and if you know what flaw to look for, you can win big

One of the flaw I know of, if "0" comes in, in the next 5 spins, one of 5 number will come up

So if you spin and "0" comes in and you place 10 on 15, you have a 1 in 5 chance it will come in, so it best to start with a small bet, 1, and start increasing
Sounds like bull, the machine by law has to use a remote RNG (random number generator), previous results cant influence it.
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Old 31-03-2010, 20:18
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Are you sure?

So it's no different playing online than it is in a casino (probability wise)?
Thats right, see "Gambling Act 2005" for more info.
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Old 31-03-2010, 20:21
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Sounds like bull, the machine by law has to use a remote RNG (random number generator), previous results cant influence it.

Its a flaw in the program, and it did work, there are quite alot of flaws in the roulette machines

number repeating them selfs 9 times in a row

26
14
10
26
29
01
26 and so on
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Old 31-03-2010, 21:03
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But isn't it a fact that there is no such thing as a true random number generator and computers use pseudo-random generators?

Not sure on the odds however, and what's discussed above sounds more like a flaw.

One thing I can say with certainty, well from my experience, is that the gambling sites that offer free game versions of the paid for games always pay out highly on the free games and curiously you seem to lose a lot more on the real money versions. me cynical?
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Old 31-03-2010, 22:14
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I just got like 5 or 6 7s in a row on Craps after winning a little bit...

I know 7 is the most likely combination from a pair of dice, but still...
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Old 31-03-2010, 23:30
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Anyone who's ever played on internet bookmaker roulette wheels with free money and real money, will tell you that when you play with free money, the instances of red and black pretty much even out over a set period of time.

When you play with your own real money, if you bet on red continuously, you'll be lucky to see more than two or three reds every ten spins. The same applies if you bet on black. You won't see more than a few blacks every 10 spins.

And just when you try and suss the algorithm out by switching your bet colour after a run of about six losing spins, it screws you again.

They're crooked. All of them.
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Old 31-03-2010, 23:35
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So if you spin and "0" comes in and you place 10 on 15, you have a 1 in 5 chance it will come in, so it best to start with a small bet, 1, and start increasing
Complete crap.

All gambling is designed to take your money - and I speak from experience.

Anyone who thinks they have a roulette system is deluded ..
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Old 31-03-2010, 23:50
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Complete crap.

All gambling is designed to take your money - and I speak from experience.

Anyone who thinks they have a roulette system is deluded ..

Its not a system, its a flaw in the program
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Old 31-03-2010, 23:53
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Anyone who's ever played on internet bookmaker roulette wheels with free money and real money, will tell you that when you play with free money, the instances of red and black pretty much even out over a set period of time.

When you play with your own real money, if you bet on red continuously, you'll be lucky to see more than two or three reds every ten spins. The same applies if you bet on black. You won't see more than a few blacks every 10 spins.

And just when you try and suss the algorithm out by switching your bet colour after a run of about six losing spins, it screws you again.

They're crooked. All of them.

I have known some people to play odd and even, and this is known as forcing "0", and if you get caught you can get banned form the bookies

And again it a flaw, betting on red and back; odd and even, is considered a loosing bet by the system, so at sometime it forces the system to play "0", and it only works on certain machines, and games
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Old 31-03-2010, 23:55
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Due to my then line of work I once visited a factory where they made machines for casinos and betting shops. Every machine has a payout point whether after 16/20 turns. You just have to stand and watch one for a while and count. Not sure if this is the same with online
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Old 01-04-2010, 00:18
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Its not a system, its a flaw in the program
It doesn't exist - you are wrong.
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Old 01-04-2010, 03:15
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Its a flaw in the program, and it did work, there are quite alot of flaws in the roulette machines

number repeating them selfs 9 times in a row

26
14
10
26
29
01
26 and so on
I just got like 5 or 6 7s in a row on Craps after winning a little bit...

I know 7 is the most likely combination from a pair of dice, but still...
random is exactly that - it doesn't mean that you will always get 26 on a roulette site exactly 1 in 36 times or that you'll only get 7 on craps every other time (think its around 50% odds but too late to figure it out). Play them often enough and you'll see 'non-random' sequences.


As another poster pointed out, its probably pseudo-random, though some programs (not necessarily gambling ones) can use the millisecond value from its clock as another approximation of random number.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudor...mber_generator
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Old 01-04-2010, 03:25
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William Hill is not rigged and anyone that thinks so is a fool.
William Hill turn over millions a year from gambling and just one whiff off anything dodgy from them would destroy their business.
A good name is everything in the gambling business.
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:52
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But isn't it a fact that there is no such thing as a true random number generator and computers use pseudo-random generators?
ERNIE. But IIRC its rather too large and expensive for bettingshops
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Old 01-04-2010, 15:24
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I've read that serious Roulette players usually get up and leave if they manage to get 2% up on the amount of money they went to the table with. That's considered a good night's work.

Usual strategy is wagers on the second and third horizontal columns, and a wager on black.

In the end, the house always wins.
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Old 01-04-2010, 15:45
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It doesn't exist - you are wrong.

Why dosent it exist, what is your prove of this, and have you ever played the roulette machines in the bookies

This flaw is for ladbrookes, and the roulette wheel with min 25p chip, the wheel when spinning is a real roulette wheel with a real ball, only diffence here is random selction of the spin

Its the roulette machines in the bookies which I have played, and the flaws do exist, I have won using the flaws to my advantage

It was even suggested the programmers, put these flaws in the system, for what reason no one knows

last time I used the flaws to win on roulette was 2 years ago, and maybe now the flaws have been, dealt with and fixed with a new program
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Old 01-04-2010, 15:51
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I've read that serious Roulette players usually get up and leave if they manage to get 2% up on the amount of money they went to the table with. That's considered a good night's work.

Usual strategy is wagers on the second and third horizontal columns, and a wager on black.

In the end, the house always wins.

15 years ago, i went to one of the casino in town, took with me 150, and cashed into chips 100, kept 50 as backup

I usually play the 3 neighbours to "0" on the wheel and some lows numbers 1-6

On this night went in around 8pm, got off to a very good start; very small bets 25p, getting wins; by 11pm I must have had 300 of chip in my pocket.

I now began to increase my chip stake to 5 per number

Well by 2am, I had 6000 chip which I cashed in

Now the casino tried to stop me winning , by closing the table, changing the croupier, but none of that worked, must have been my lucky day, never been repeated
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Old 01-04-2010, 16:45
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Why dosent it exist, what is your prove of this, and have you ever played the roulette machines in the bookies
I've been playing roulette machines in bookies for years - you think it exists but I can promise you it doesn't.

But then you've always popped up in any threads that talk about roulette with wild theories about how the machines can be beaten.
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Old 01-04-2010, 17:06
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Why dosent it exist, what is your prove of this, and have you ever played the roulette machines in the bookies

This flaw is for ladbrookes, and the roulette wheel with min 25p chip, the wheel when spinning is a real roulette wheel with a real ball, only diffence here is random selction of the spin

Its the roulette machines in the bookies which I have played, and the flaws do exist, I have won using the flaws to my advantage

It was even suggested the programmers, put these flaws in the system, for what reason no one knows

last time I used the flaws to win on roulette was 2 years ago, and maybe now the flaws have been, dealt with and fixed with a new program
"Why dosent it exist, what is your prove of this"

Your the one making the claim, you prove it.

If you have a flaw in the Ladbrokes roulette machines then why the hell do you man the tills at ASDA?
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