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pawprint
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by -x-kacie-x-:
“All this speculation gets me excited ”

Me too! love it!
-x-kacie-x-
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by pawprint:
“Me too! love it!”

I actually can't wait to see how this series pans out
Littlemissmolz
06-04-2010
I've really really missed all this. Yay!

Sorry, I'm still excited by the fact that it's back.
bona-v
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley4077:
“How about the crack? the shape of it appears at the end of the episode on one of the small screens in the Tardis. The Doctor even looks at the screen and turns it off.”

I noticed that too. Also, the change in music and the Doctors facial expression to me shows that something in his mind has been confirmed.
Also, in the Tardis with Amy, she says "you are asking me to run away with you in the middle of the night". and asks "Why me"? - Dr. "I don't know. Fun! Do I have to have a reason"? Amy "You always have a reason". He also comments about Amy " All these years, most of your life and you've still got that accent. Yeah. You're coming".

I think we've been shown in this first episode that the Dr. does always have a reason. Also, we are shown just previous to the Tardis reveal, that the Dr. re-visits young Amy (Amelia). Probably checking that his timing is spot on (he seems to make a point of how accurate he can be by telling older Amy that he can get her back to 5 mins ago).

And the line "Amy Pond there's something you better understand about me because it's important, and one day your life may depend on it. I am definitely a mad man with a box". Seemed like a warning.

There is a focus in the clock in the Tardis which starts at 11.57:56 am and moves to 1.06:56pm as the Tardis starts off. Therefore if the time that we are shown is correct, it would have been midday and not midnight. Although it may be that the clock had already been moving, but it seemed to draw you to the PM having significance. Red herring?

Also, as we leave the Tardis and see the puppets in Amy's bedroom, in the first glimpse in a suitcase there are 3 puppets, the Doctor, Amy and someone else. As we view more there are three sets of puppets which I assume are amy and the Doctor. And, to the left of the final set of puppets there is a further set in another case. But the Amy puppet seems to have short hair and the Doctor resembles David Tennant rather than Matt Smith.
bona-v
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by No.6:
“They were referring to the key for the handcuffs, not the door...”

Oops! Thanks for pointing that out. I should concentrate more.
twirlytori
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by JPickford:
“An older Amy will turn out to be the Aunt. She wasn't there because she was off with the Doctor..”

That would explain the change in name from Amelia to Amy!
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
The crack, I hadn't noticed, but it's probably significant to the "silence is falling" plot arc. That's probably a visual deliberately placed there, that might come up over and over... there are more cracks mentioned, so will they all look the same?


As for the dating issues - we also see the London Eye and Millennium Dome, so that could be no earlier than 2000. So in theory, it could be the year 2000 when the Doctor meets young Amelia, then it's 2012 when the Atraxi arrive, and then it's 2014, when he whisks her away finally.

Previously old NuWho moved itself one year into the future, so presuming the start is the year 2000, and that's right, it's now set four years ahead of us.

However, let me throw a further spanner in the works...

The Tenth Doctor's last landing was London, 2005. So it's possible either:

a) As the Tenth Doctor set the TARDIS into flight, it started to travel back in time around Earth, only for the regeneration damage to bring it down to Leadworth in 2000... or

b) He meets Amy in 2005 - the same year he said goodbye to Rose in, as all he did was the TARDIS into orbit, not to travel in time, and the events of the Eleventh Hour are set in 2017 and 2019 respectively...

However, The Beast Below may answer the question of the dating issues because
Spoiler
Amy calculates her age in that episode, according to DS's teasers.


It's like the UNIT years all over again! Although, I like the idea of Amy Dating more than UNIT Dating...
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by twirlytori:
“That would explain the change in name from Amelia to Amy!”

But not why older Amy would put the younger one into counselling and try to convince her the Raggedy Doctor isn't real...
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
Either way, that Village is waaaaay too weird to not have have something to do with the overall story arc... surely?
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by bona-v:
“Oops! Thanks for pointing that out. I should concentrate more.”

Can't think why you were distracted...
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by bona-v:
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There is a focus in the clock in the Tardis which starts at 11.57:56 am and moves to 1.06:56pm as the Tardis starts off. Therefore if the time that we are shown is correct, it would have been midday and not midnight. Although it may be that the clock had already been moving, but it seemed to draw you to the PM having significance. Red herring?”

I think it's because it's just a 12 hour clock, simple as. And a very nice steal, along with the scanner, from the TV Movie.
Mansun
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
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As for the dating issues - we also see the London Eye and Millennium Dome, so that could be no earlier than 2000. So in theory, it could be the year 2000 when the Doctor meets young Amelia, then it's 2012 when the Atraxi arrive, and then it's 2014, when he whisks her away finally.

Previously old NuWho moved itself one year into the future, so presuming the start is the year 2000, and that's right, it's now set four years ahead of us.”

People keep bringing that up with regards to the dating, but you're forgetting that it wasn't one continuous sequence. The episode titles came between the London scenes and the Leadworth scenes, so there's plenty of room there for the TARDIS to have slipped back into the 90s. Plus we hear the TARDIS materialise in Amy's back garden, rather than just crash, so it's definitely just been in the time vortex.
musicdude
06-04-2010
Hmm i find the timeline of Doctor who confusing at times. When the doctor took Rose on her first adventures and returned to find out she has been gone a year, was the events of Rose set in 04 rolled into 05 or 05 into 06. Then when it comes to Boom Town, it is said that it has been six months since the events of the aliens raiding downing street.

Martha's time with the doctor is short. I think the whole of series 3 is set in a week or possibly shorter then that. I'm not so sure about Donna. But when she returns to earth for the sontaran two parter, it seems she has only been gone about 2/3 days. But i don't know how quick time passed from that to the events of the season 4 finale.
twirlytori
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
“But not why older Amy would put the younger one into counselling and try to convince her the Raggedy Doctor isn't real... ”

Perhaps its Amy refering to herself as another person in order to seperate herself from her past.
I just think the change from Amelia to Amy is strange and therefore likely to be significant
musicdude
06-04-2010
That's true. Plus, i never knew you make the name Amy out of Amelia anyway.
starsailor
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
“Either way, that Village is waaaaay too weird to not have have something to do with the overall story arc... surely?”

Also, why have a respected, well known actress (Nina Wadia) only have a few lines in a very unimportant part?

Hmmm? very strange.
musicdude
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by starsailor:
“Also, why have a respected, well known actress only have a few lines in a very unimportant part?

Hmmm? very strange.”

If you referring to actress from Eastenders, then i agree. I found her character useless in the episode. She was barely seen anyway.

I thought she would have had a big part as the actress was given two weeks off from Eastenders to film it.
roland rat
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by Spence1115:
“She said her mum used to do it, we don't know how long it's been since she lost her parents.”


Are we going to see Amys mum and dad, in an episode

They had been kidnapped by aliens, and amy dosnt remember, Just like ACE
musicdude
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Hmm i find the timeline of Doctor who confusing at times. When the doctor took Rose on her first adventures and returned to find out she has been gone a year, was the events of Rose set in 04 rolled into 05 or 05 into 06. Then when it comes to Boom Town, it is said that it has been six months since the events of the aliens raiding downing street.

Martha's time with the doctor is short. I think the whole of series 3 is set in a week or possibly shorter then that. I'm not so sure about Donna. But when she returns to earth for the sontaran two parter, it seems she has only been gone about 2/3 days. But i don't know how quick time passed from that to the events of the season 4 finale.”

Any comments on what i said? It is in connection to dr who. The timeline does seems confusing
-x-kacie-x-
06-04-2010
All of this is so interesting
ukgnome
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Any comments on what i said? It is in connection to dr who. The timeline does seems confusing”

er yes, maybe because the Dr is a time traveler and his life is a bit

"wibbly wobbly, timey wimey"
Rorschach
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
“b) He meets Amy in 2005 - the same year he said goodbye to Rose in, as all he did was the TARDIS into orbit, not to travel in time, and the events of the Eleventh Hour are set in 2017 and 2019 respectively...”

Have to partially discount this one as he said goodbye to Rose on New Years Eve but when young Amy was praying to Santa she said "I know it's Easter, I hope I didn't wake you" so some time travel was involved.

Of course it could have been a jump of less than a year making it Easter 2004 or 2005.
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Any comments on what i said? It is in connection to dr who. The timeline does seems confusing”

The general rule used to be was that Who from Aliens of London onwards, was roughly set one year in the future when we were on contemporary Earth.

Rose: 2005.

AoL/WW3: 2006. Boom Town that same year.

TCI: 2006 Christmas.

NE: Clearly spring, so 2007. That goes all the way through until The Runaway Bride, Chrimbo 2007.

Then, one presumes, S&J is set much later, 2008. Further evidence if President Winters being the President-elect, putting TSoD in 2008, the US election year, when it was broadcast in 2007.

Now, it's Turn Left that clarifies, if memory serves, where Season Four is set. VotD if set in Christmas 2008, because Donna references those events in PiC, which is again repeated in TL, then PiC is dated into 2009. And as we see the events of TL repeat everything in the same year, we can presume PiC, TSS two-parter is 2009. When the timeline in TL overtakes events, we don't go past another Christmas or New Year, so when time is restored, the Doctor races home back to a 2009 London.

Therefore PotD, Easter after the stolen planets were seen as part of TSL/JE, this means it and TEoT take place in 2010.

Phew. A bit derailing but it kinda just works if you set on the idea of Who being a year ahead - RTD's era seemed to have that loose rule and stuck to it.

Now, it's either 4 or more...!

OR IS IT???
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“Have to partially discount this one as he said goodbye to Rose on New Years Eve but when young Amy was praying to Santa she said "I know it's Easter, I hope I didn't wake you" so some time travel was involved.

Of course it could have been a jump of less than a year making it Easter 2004 or 2005.”

Genius! Well-spotted!
SpringheelJack
06-04-2010
So we have:

The duck pond.

The weird dating.

The parents.

The aunt.

The crack and it's shape.

The village vibe.

The dolls.
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