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SpringheelJack
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by No.6:
“I do wonder, reading this thread through, what some of you lot have been drinking!! Some mad crazy theories on this thread and I can't help feel most of you are lookign way to closely at the episode and shoud be taking most of it at face value for what it is.”

You've NEVER met a Doctor Who fan, have you?

No.6
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
“You've NEVER met a Doctor Who fan, have you?

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Well I have been one most of my life and have met a few and been at the odd convention so I know what to expect...just this thread has gone WAY OTT IMHO...

Funny how nobody questions Midsomer as an odd place but they do Ledworth

Amy is Amelia, yes the cracks are a big issue, I assumed Annette Crosbie was her Aunt(?!?), it's obviously set in the nearish future, oh and Matt & Karen were fantastic!
SpringheelJack
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by No.6:
“Well I have been one most of my life and have met a few and been at the odd convention so I know what to expect...just this thread has gone WAY OTT IMHO...

Funny how nobody questions Midsomer as an odd place but they do Ledworth ”

LOL
musicdude
07-04-2010
Hmm, my mind is boggling over Amy and Amelia because that is a big name change. Can you make the name Amy out Amelia? I personally don't see how. Plus, the doctor seemed confused anyway

Plus, the doctor kept asking her why she lied about when he came back in 12 years later and he was asking where Amelia was. And she was like she hasn't been here for six months.
helo_75
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by No.6:
“Well I have been one most of my life and have met a few and been at the odd convention so I know what to expect...just this thread has gone WAY OTT IMHO...

Funny how nobody questions Midsomer as an odd place but they do Ledworth

Amy is Amelia, yes the cracks are a big issue, I assumed Annette Crosbie was her Aunt(?!?), it's obviously set in the nearish future, oh and Matt & Karen were fantastic! ”


no, annette crosby was jefss gran. im sure he called her gran
gagaluv
07-04-2010
If the Atraxi incident took place in 1995 (pictures of newspaper stands with "5-95" written on them appeared during filming) then this means the cracks must be accelerating time or things are happening earlier, like the invention of modern phones and ipods! this means that amy doesnt travel with the doctor until 1997 and therefore she shouldnt recognise the daleks in "victory of the Daleks", it all depends how she reacts to the daleks, then we can be certain of where shes from! so the events with amelia happened 1983 which i think fits with the objects in her house?

also rory must be older than amy because amy in 1995 is 19 and rory got his hospital badge 5 years previous (so he must be at least 23). wow! im probably reading too much into it but hey, its fun!
jtnorth
07-04-2010
I'm not sure how serious you are all being but you're all confusing me!

I wanted to ask about the 'silence'. Do you think that will be the same silence as in the library episode or something completely different?
JPickford
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“. Can you make the name Amy out Amelia? I personally don't see how.”

Are you serious? You shorten it and add a y. A pretty common way to abbreviate names.

Then again I never understood how William is shortened to Bill. Or John to Jack.

I'd be amazed if Amy isn't Amelia. It makes no sense as far as I can see.

I think there *will* be a revelation about the mysterious Aunt. I don't think she exists - I think it's an older Amy sorting out a place for her orphaned younger self via a Moffat style timey-timey scenario.
Shrike
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Hmm, my mind is boggling over Amy and Amelia because that is a big name change. Can you make the name Amy out Amelia? I personally don't see how. Plus, the doctor seemed confused anyway
..”

For what its worth we always called my Aunt Amelia "Milly". But having said that I can see how Amy would be a diminutive form of Amelia - I pronouce it "Ameeleeya".
musicdude
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by JPickford:
“Are you serious? You shorten it and add a y. A pretty common way to abbreviate names.

Then again I never understood how William is shortened to Bill. Or John to Jack.

I'd be amazed if Amy isn't Amelia. It makes no sense as far as I can see.

I think there *will* be a revelation about the mysterious Aunt. I don't think she exists - I think it's an older Amy sorting out a place for her orphaned younger self via a Moffat style timey-timey scenario.”

Yes i am being bloody serious. It isn't easy to see.

When i think of a nickname for Amelia, i think of Mia.
JPickford
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Yes i am being bloody serious. It isn't easy to see.

When i think of a nickname for Amelia, i think of Mia.”

Sorry, I wasn't having a bloody go at you.

Robert - > Robbie
James -> Jimmy
William -> Willy -> Billy
Frederick -> Freddy
Katherine -> Kathy
Elizabeth -> Lizzy

Quite a common thing.
drtwelve
07-04-2010
Why has no one mentioned the computer that Jeff was using. On the front and back it said MYTH. the Y being written as a Greek "psi" figure. psi (silence) ? or ?
helo_75
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by drtwelve:
“Why has no one mentioned the computer that Jeff was using. On the front and back it said MYTH. the Y being written as a Greek "psi" figure. psi (silence) ? or ?”


they have, its been discussed to death on other threads

youll have to be pretty good to spot something new right now
Rorschach
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Yes i am being bloody serious. It isn't easy to see. When i think of a nickname for Amelia, i think of Mia.”

Whereas I would instantly think of Amy for Amelia, because I hear the name as AMY-lia.

And because of that pronounciation Mia wouldn't occur to me at all because it would have to be a-MIA and the EEL sound between the M and the IA would have to be silent.

JPickford
07-04-2010
I guess the idea is that Amy wanted to change her identity in some way so she changed her name without actually changing her name. She wouldn't necessarily go for the most obvious version as that would defeat the point. At some point in her teens she wanted to reinvent herself.
TwEeD.NK
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by Revenga:
“It's interesting that all the radios were really, really old. It also looked like the runner had a cassette player but I could be wrong. On the other hand, the phones and laptop were modern. Maybe a convergence of time?”

Also in the scene where Rory want to show his pictures on the phone Dr Ramsden get's paged, are pagers actually still used in this day? I always thought it was a thing of the past due to the advent of mobiles, could be wrong though
HelenTherese
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by JPickford:
“I guess the idea is that Amy wanted to change her identity in some way so she changed her name without actually changing her name. She wouldn't necessarily go for the most obvious version as that would defeat the point. At some point in her teens she wanted to reinvent herself.”

Yeah, that's the impression I got. She changed her name as the Doctor said it was a good fairytale name and she wanted to forget about that part of herself.

She also calls her Aunt 'Sharon' at the beginning so Amelia is definitely Amy.
tingramretro
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by musicdude:
“Yes i am being bloody serious. It isn't easy to see.

When i think of a nickname for Amelia, i think of Mia.”

Amy is the more established abbreviation. Mia is quite new, I think.
johnnysaucepn
07-04-2010
Lots of questions!
Originally Posted by Ethel_Fred:
“What was Prisoner Zero
How did it know that The Doctor was a Timelord
How does it know something major that the Doctor doesn't.”

A bad dude from prison - I don't think there was anything special about it other than it knowing something about the crack that the Doc didn't, but then it's had more time to think about it.
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“Why does it just hide”

Because twelve years is just a pitstop to it. He had no way of escaping Earth and had to keep a low profile until an opportunity arose.
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“Why does the Doctor let it get killed despite the most aggressive act iit does in n 12 years is to go to the Post Office”

Zero chose it's own fate by escaping from prison - I'm assuming it's prior crimes must have been quite severe.
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“Why were the Atraxi so eager to kill 6 billion people to get one person in violation of the Shadow Proclamation and their own laws”

I think they just though they could get away with it - to be sure that Zero was taken care of. Nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure!
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“Where did the bow tie come from and how did the Doctor tie it so quickly”

Artistic license!
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“Why did the Doctor say he always comes back when often he doesn't”

Did he say that he always come back, or did he just promise to come back, and to trust him because he's the Doctor? After all, he did come back, he was just late.
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“Why are there so many coma patients in such a small village”

I think the implication was that Zero created the coma patients by establishing the psychic link, like the way Amy fell unconscious when he linked with her. So the patients are there because he's using them as disguises, rather than the other way round.
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“What was on Jeff's laptop”

Don't think we want to know, thanks!
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“whose every movement is known by the village but who don't know she's a kissagram and who doesn't lose her Scottish accent in an English town”

I think most of them probably know, it's just the slightly more old-fashioned and naive members of the community that haven't caught on. As the Doctor says, she kept a little part of her young self alive, signified by her accent - always the outsider.
jimbo_bob
07-04-2010
We've had a baddie called Prisoner Zero and in a TV mag I read today it says there's a woman in the next episode who's name is Liz Ten. Baddies with numbers in their name or just - more likely - coincidence...
pawprint
07-04-2010
thing is we always presume-unless we are told directly otherwise during an episode-that it is set during our time. The Doctor has ALL of time and space yet we always think its in the present day.

But then the technology used during the episode doesn't add up to it being during the 90's.

Personally i reckon SM is playing with us and has done it all on purpose to wind up the internet forums.
jtnorth
07-04-2010
Does anyone have any reason to think anyone in the village other than Rory will turn up again in this series? They're not in the trailer (I think?).
Rorschach
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“Does anyone have any reason to think anyone in the village other than Rory will turn up again in this series? They're not in the trailer (I think?).”

Only that there were a few recognisable faces in rather small parts; e.g. Perry Benson as the Ice Cream man, Annette Crosbie as Mrs. Angelo and Nina Wadia as Doctor Ramsden.

Granted they may all of had a quiet Sunday and nothing else to do...but they might have signed up for a few episodes.
musicdude
07-04-2010
One theory i guessed is that maybe Amy is linked to Time. Like how Renette was in The girl in the fireplace because every time the doctor kept leaving her, time was speeding up. The same happened to Amy.
Millard1111
07-04-2010
Originally Posted by Revenga:
“Oh fair enough.

One more thing - the door was obviously cloaked before the alien came through the crack, or at least before Amelia moved to the house, if she'd never noticed it and had no recollection of the room as an adult.”


could be more that it was a little used room before and as from then on it was cloaked, it simply slipped her mind that it had ever been there.
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