Oh dear, oh dear.

Nobody is 50% straight & 50% gay so there will always be a preference either way.

Do you really dispute that?

Then again you seem to think omnisexuality actually exists so maybe you will.

I think you should drop this now, before your bigotry gets you into trouble. We really don't need this sort of discussion here.

I'm not being bigoted you're just being PC.

Sexuality is a spectrum and there are varying degrees of heterosexuality & homosexuality but people are always more one way than the other.

Hate to disagree but I know I'm one of the few who actually like Cyberwoman. He also wrote my favourite episode Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

I'm not even going to reply to the comment using my quote. I'll bow to your obvious physchological, sociological and biological knowledge. I just don't agree.

In no way am I being "PC". It has been stated many times by JB and RTD among others that the character of Captain Jack Harkness is "omnisexual". That's a fact, not an opinion. Too bad if you don't like it.

So what you're really upset about is me disputing canon.

Sometimes you really can't make it up ...

hmmm, your argument seems to suggest that it would be possible for someone to be 49.9% gay 50.1% str8 but 50/50% is impossible....

That doesn't make any sense and as a bisexual I can confirm it is rubbish. I have no ideological preference for male or female, I am attracted to individuals regardless of their sex and can fall in love with either.

Back on topic, Captain Jack IS omnisexual which is bisexual in real life human terms, there are no homosexuals in Torchwood.

Well perhaps not impossible but extremely unlikely.

Anyhoo if you say you are genuinely bisexual I'll concede the point.

Especially as you admit omnisexuality doesn't exist outside of fiction.

abso-friggin-lutely

You want a simple answer. Who knows. No one has any idea and i bet you no one at BBC even have any idea but what with shows getting axed left right and center, with no news yet its not looking good.

Thats a bit harsh isnt it.

Jeff is always very even handed and fair. He's one of the last people you can accuse of bigotry.

Would calling a bisexual (or even "omnisexual" ) person homosexual be offensive?

I dont understand why you are being so pedantic / heated about this?

Isn't this just a case of semantics? There is no need, therefore, to start accusing people of being bigots due to a lack of specific terminology is there?

LOL what a stretch that is
thats a load of hogwash! homosexuals running around chasing aliens!?

what a preposterous statement. at the end of the day, this shows are about future and outer space. so "bisexuality/omnisexuality" and all that are supposed to be norm. its almost like vampire shows they can be into anyone.


i think i might have detected some homophobia, forgive me if im wrong though.

And yours is biased by an increasingly obvious agenda which has no place in this forum, no place in Cult, and no place when discussing sci-fi or Torchwood in my opinion. That discussion belongs elsewhere, but not here as far as I am concerned.


But you spoke of TW being a vanity project, which is not directly related to how good or bad S1 was, or how it later developed.

I think 99.9% of people will agree with you on that one!

The same percentage who where apprehensive about it in the first place (me included)

It was mind-numbingly good and the 5 day format made it look like a live event that was unfolding. It worked beyond brilliantly!

I wish people would get over the Homosexual stuff. We gays have to have 1000s of hours of Heterosexual stuff promoted 24/7 and don't pick up on every occasion of it or start judging a show based on it's sexuality content.

The whole overview of the show was one of sexuality doesn't matter and everyone and everyone can shag who they like. - Seems that some viewers learnt nothing from one of the key features of the show.

The silly attitudes of the show would be so much better if they made it more heterosexual and normal should stop by get. Get yourselves over the fact that gay people exist and in this show sexuality is not the big issue it is to you!

Absolutely. It was terrific. It got great AI and amazing viewing figures. So where's series 4, Aunty BBC??

I dont care how it comes, back, mini series or full series, but I want to see it back, with Jack returned to earth, perhaps with Frame, perhaps not, and Gwen juggling life hunting aliens and burping baby, I am sure that Rhys will have to become a full time house husband

Please Beeb, give it to us, the last series was some of the most gripping TV I have ever watched, and I would like more.

I think you guys have been pretty unfair to Jeff here. He clearly states that the progressive attitude of torchwood was one of his favourite elements:


He has been a little misguided in his comments about bisexuality, but to start thunderously flaming him as a bigot is a rather illogical response. Perhaps it would have been more enlightened to have treated the subject more gently? This smells of bullying.

But people must be sensitive to the fact that there are still huge numbers of the population who disagree with homosexuality and find it offensive.

even if only 2% of the British population are homophobic that is 1 million people!

Many heterosexual people who are either homophobic or homo-sceptic do not want to see homosexuals on their TV or in their favourite TV programmes.

Whether they are right or wrong is not for us to judge.

Quite a few regular posters here often get bullied. Jeff is not the only one.

To be honest I have always thought Jeff was very balanced and open minded.

I hope we do get another series, preferably a full one this time but in a serial format, but I'm happy however they bring it back (if it's brought back). As long as it lives up to COE, I will be satisfied.

I was watching Question Time last night and a young man who claimed to be Christian said it was against his belief that "homosexuality" should exist. He seemed sickened by it. I personally think that if there one million homophobes it beggars belief that in the 21st century, that these people have got nothing better to do than worry themselves with how other people live. Live and let live.

With the subject of Torchwood. I actually dislike John Barrowman because of his over inflated ego, but I love the character of Captain Jack. his sexuality is part of what the programme is and if it does genuinely offend, then people really do need to either stop watching or get a life.

There are terrorist attacks, starving children in Africa, homeless people on the street, loved ones dying of terminal illnesses, people losing their jobs, earthquake victims and yet people want to concern themselves about the rights and wrongs of whether two same sex people love each other.

I'm going to argue against the case that Cpt Jack's omnisexuality is about RTD trying to get gay references in. For one, RTD has had gay characters in the past, like the old ladies in Gridlock, so if he wanted Jack to be gay, he would have been gay. Him being omnisexual represent two things. One is that by batting for both sides and many other things, allowed for the battle of the ego's in the Empty Child. If he had just been gay, then the Doctor would have nothing to feel threatend about, but his omnisexuality allowed there to be a two way flirting system, one where either the Doctor would get jealous, and one where the companion would to...take Rose being shocked that the man who showed interest in her, made her feel so feminine, actually had "danced with many species".... and also a chance for the Doctor to say to Rose who exactly out of them two will Jack really want to dance with. So it helps to create sexual friction in more way than the boring simple boxed up sexuality (gay or straight).
And the second is that RTD doesn't have a gay agenda, in fact he is writer who like his character jack, doesn't want to box sex and love into simple terms....after all he is the one who wrote Bob and Rose, influenced by a friend's story in real life. So if anyone knows that Love and Sex isn't as simple as being gay or straight, then RTD knows that.

I mean how many other gay writers in the world get accused of being homophopbic, due to killing of a character that loves a man, or writing a gay character falling in love with a woman.


The only reason that "majority of people" seem at either one end of the spectrum is because we all like to give ourself nice little labels that keeps us sane, because we are not that comfortable with ambiguity.