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Forget Doctor Who! When is Torchwood back on!!??
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mijbil
10-04-2010
Hmmmm, quite apart from the devistation that wrecked The Hub ... the area is currently under major refurbishment with extensive building being undertaken ... perhaps the powers that be are waiting for the work to near completion before they decide whether or not to re-site the Cardiff HQ in the same location ... baring in mind that the new BBC studios are planned to be located less than a mile away ... would also give Fox ample time to decide if they wish to be part of the Torchwood future ... and with JB's current DHw's commitments through to the end of the Summer and panto at Christmas , any local (UK) production is not likely to commence until next Spring ... this break would also give EM a chance to enjoy being a mum in the most crucial of times ... come on, be realistic ...
Shadow15
11-04-2010
It's really annoying me the way the BBC refuses to make any real announcement. The last series had good ratings and a great critical response. I thought this was all that mattered at an organisation like the BBC.

Makes you think someone in the BBC has some sort of problem with the series and is making it difficult for it to return.

A little far fetched but it makes you wonder. It's ratings and quality they use to justify cancelling shows so why this delay in renewing a show.
CookiesAndVodka
11-04-2010
In defence of the BBC for a minute, maybe they don't know yet (emphasis on 'yet').
I mean, John is in America still (I think he's still there, not aware of him being back) and he's getting another Tonight's The Night (), lord knows what RTD's doing but I'd guess writing the scripts anyway, and Eve became a mother in November.

It's a possibility that the BBC haven't announced anything, because there isn't anything to announce.

Possibly?
jtnorth
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by CookiesAndVodka:
“In defence of the BBC for a minute, maybe they don't know yet (emphasis on 'yet').
I mean, John is in America still (I think he's still there, not aware of him being back) and he's getting another Tonight's The Night (), lord knows what RTD's doing but I'd guess writing the scripts anyway, and Eve became a mother in November.

It's a possibility that the BBC haven't announced anything, because there isn't anything to announce.

Possibly?”

Agreed. I don't see any evidence the BBC doesn't want it. It makes more sense that RTD is too busy.
poppycod
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“Agreed. I don't see any evidence the BBC doesn't want it. It makes more sense that RTD is too busy.”

Then the show should be given to another, less egotistical producer who can make it sans Barrowman. That would be 2 huge improvements.
2shy2007
11-04-2010
RTD and JB make the show, without them it would not be Torchwood.

Look what happened to the X Files when the lead man left, it went downhill and did not pick back up until he returned for the end.
poppycod
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“RTD and JB make the show, without them it would not be Torchwood.

Look what happened to the X Files when the lead man left, it went downhill and did not pick back up until he returned for the end.”

X files was based on 2, only 2 lead characters.

Torchwood, is, or should be, an ensemble piece - rather like Spooks is.

Gwen can be the constant member and the others can rotate and change - thus allowing more drama as we know they are mortal, can be killed.

Harkness as a character has that fatal flaw - he is immortal, and in many other ways (killing his son aside) he is a dull character.

Also Barrowman's acting ability is not up to being the star of a show like this.
2shy2007
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by poppycod:
“X files was based on 2, only 2 lead characters.

Torchwood, is, or should be, an ensemble piece - rather like Spooks is.

Gwen can be the constant member and the others can rotate and change - thus allowing more drama as we know they are mortal, can be killed.

Harkness as a character has that fatal flaw - he is immortal, and in many other ways (killing his son aside) he is a dull character.

Also Barrowman's acting ability is not up to being the star of a show like this.”

JB IS the show, without him there is no show. His acting is perfectly adequate.
Dull? DULL? blimey he is anything but dull.

Gwen is annoying at times, I dont think she is strong enough to hold it together, she needs Jack, as he needs a team around him.

I am hoping that if it does come back, then he has a whole new team as we know he has to do every few years, it is the way of his immortality.
poppycod
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“JB IS the show, without him there is no show. His acting is perfectly adequate.
Dull? DULL? blimey he is anything but dull.

Gwen is annoying at times, I dont think she is strong enough to hold it together, she needs Jack, as he needs a team around him.

I am hoping that if it does come back, then he has a whole new team as we know he has to do every few years, it is the way of his immortality.”

I agree that Gwen should not be the central character but she can be the constant one with new leaders and colleagues.

Disagree about Barrowman. Generally he was awful inthe role - which was completely different to the character seen in Dr Who, and completely inappropriate for someone leading a massive project.
2shy2007
11-04-2010
Inappropriate in what way? I would say he was perfect for the role. He was the strong leader who held it all together.
mossy2103
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by poppycod:
“Then the show should be given to another, less egotistical producer who can make it sans Barrowman. That would be 2 huge improvements.”

it would of course satisfy your issues with the series , but it would cease to be Torchwood as we know it. And there is no real evidence that your opinion regarding RTD and JB on the programme is at all widespread.
poppycod
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“Inappropriate in what way? I would say he was perfect for the role. He was the strong leader who held it all together.”

The happy go lucky, wisecracking, flirtatious, risk-taking, loose-cannon Jack from Dr Who would be a terrible leader.

The Jack of Torchwood is very different - brooding, troubled, stressed. It seems as if RTD rewrote the character to make him more suitable for leadership.


Also replacing Barrowman would be no problem. Plenty of successful series do it and do it successfully.

Dougie Henshall left Primeval and his replacement was better and that is a more popular and established show than Torchwood. See also Charlies Angels etc.
Tumpy
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by poppycod:
“The happy go lucky, wisecracking, flirtatious, risk-taking, loose-cannon Jack from Dr Who would be a terrible leader.

The Jack of Torchwood is very different - brooding, troubled, stressed. It seems as if RTD rewrote the character to make him more suitable for leadership.


Also replacing Barrowman would be no problem. Plenty of successful series do it and do it successfully.

Dougie Henshall left Primeval and his replacement was better and that is a more popular and established show than Torchwood. See also Charlies Angels etc.”

Please we get it you don't like the character of Captain Jack in Torchwood and you don't like John Barrowman's acting. Some of us disagree and it doesn't matter how many times you say it and in how many different ways some people will still disagree so please give it a rest and accept that we know and acknowledge your position.
amos_brearley
11-04-2010
Originally Posted by poppycod:
“The happy go lucky, wisecracking, flirtatious, risk-taking, loose-cannon Jack from Dr Who would be a terrible leader.

The Jack of Torchwood is very different - brooding, troubled, stressed. It seems as if RTD rewrote the character to make him more suitable for leadership.
”


Did you actually watch "Torchwood"? There were plenty of reasons why Jack was a different person to the character we'd seen in DW - most notably the hundred odd years he'd lived through!
andy1231
15-04-2010
Surely the point about Captaini Jack being omnisexual is that he will have sex with any sentient livinig creature.
Also Torchwood without JB would just not be Torchwood.
nottinghamc
15-04-2010
Barrowman isn't a very good actor, his turn as captain jack in DW was great because he wasn't the main character, but as the leader of torchwood he just isn't good enough to carry the show. The woman playing Gwen is a great actress, however her character is whiny and grating, I couldn't stand her for more than a short time on screen.
BibaNova
15-04-2010
So that's why JB's in Desperate Housewives because he's not a good enough actor.Is it that some people don't like the fact that he's gay and not hiding it.
Mulett
15-04-2010
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“So that's why JB's in Desperate Housewives because he's not a good enough actor.Is it that some people don't like the fact that he's gay and not hiding it.”

No, I think he's looking after the female cast members and making sure they aren't slapped by the exec produces
nottinghamc
15-04-2010
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“So that's why JB's in Desperate Housewives because he's not a good enough actor.Is it that some people don't like the fact that he's gay and not hiding it.”

Erm, no. Oddly enough someones sexuality doesn't affect my opinion over their acting.
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