Hmm, I don't have the same moral objections to it because at least its the same company....

But it still doesn't quite have the "soul" of the classic version does it?

Now, the Ford GT...there's a lesson in how to do it properly.
Everything that made the original great (well, except the full name ) and yet updated for the modern world...

Back onto Daleks, I'm suprised people are picking up the "new" voices as I just thought they were retreads of the Red Dalek supreme from The Stolen Earth and the different voice modulations they did to make each member of the Cult of Skaro have their own unique sound. (and which set off a minor debate here on if you got to be a Dalek leader based on how angry your voice sounded )

When I first read that I thought it said hoovering - now that'd be a new direction for the daleks - "Exterminate dirt"

So was the one from 'Dalek' also impure? I thought that one was 'pure' Dalek (before it was corrupted by Rose's DNA)?

Will the new daleks be able to fly or are they too heavy?

=[ Well it's not my fault that Peter Cushing's movie was the first Doctor Who/Dalek thing which I saw. I was only 5 >.< I didn't even know WHAT it was I'd seen until a few years ago when it came on TV again so I didn't know I hadn't seen proper canon DW until then. It had already imprinted on me by then! HOWEVER I am not basing it solely on that, but also video clips of the first ever Dalek episode in which I think they look much more scary (largely due to black and white TV which is why I think the first Grey and Black Dalek which emerged was scarier than RTD Daleks - I'm not necessarily talking about all of them/everything about them, I never said primary colours were good/retro)

Secondly no, no need to be like that. It isn't due to economic difficulties, there is no loss of intelligence, it's just my opinion. I haven't had had time to watch a ton of old DW. Surely you can't think everybody has time to do so?! I've only very recently had time to start posting on these forums and won't have time to in the near future, HOWEVER I have seen 4 Dalek stories from 4 different ClassicWho eras and only one of them was not canon. I was saying I haven't watched lots because at 21 and without the time to watch large quantities of ClassicWho I am not a super-DWbuff and did not want anybody fact checking me but it's not like I've watched nothing..

And I disagree. I don't think the whole point of Daleks is aliens in tanks (I am not saying I ever thought they were robots like some do). Perhaps that is what they were intended to be but the cheap budget/sp fx of the past means I never saw them as tank-like, they looked too feeble and to me a tank can never be as scary as an early Dalek.

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http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/dalek...-explosion.jpg
I just think black and grey more feeble looking Daleks look scarier than shiny golden supertanks. And those images are from Canon episodes I've seen, not Cushing.. I see your point that some of the new Daleks are Cushing-like but they do still look a bit retro from Canon and I do still think there was considerable redesign over the years (talking about canon only) thus it's silly to say that Daleks should not be redesigned as if it doesn't happen often

By the look of them they'll need a damn big rocket just to hover.

No. Don't like the new Daleks. Just because something is new, a Change, doesn't automatically make it good. If these new Daleks are here to stay (i.e. are not going to be defeated by real Daleks), then I think that Change has gone too far. What's next? Permanently change the Tardis into a phone box?

The re-design was just an attempt to sell more toys.

"And we'll have a red one and a blue one and a yellow one and a white one..." said the marketing man at BBC Enterprises.

Cynical plot device which was just pointless. Think about it...think about the plot line. Utterly pointless wasn't it?

The one in Dalek came straight from the Time War so in theory have been pure Dalek (before Rose touched it).

However Davros was using humans to create Daleks as far back as "Revelation of the Daleks" so it's possible that all the Daleks (if decended from Davros' creations) in the Time War were somewhat impure.

Maybe the Dalek Progeny Device dated back to a time before Revelation and any Daleks created since then were not pure enough to be recognised by it.

=]
I didn't mind when the RTD daleks hovered (or elevated) since I'd seen it before in an older episode (a lot of ppl seemed to think it was entirely new) but I thought the flying was a bit ridiculous. It think that was a new thing? I wonder if the new ones can..
I quite liked how they destroyed the new daleks. It would have made sense if they'd looked exactly like the Daleks in Genesis of the Daleks (I think?).. I think perhaps they do look more like them now? But a bit brighter? Can't remember..

The new Daleks are quite chunky and very 80's looking. Its like change for changes sake.

The thing is, I get that the new Daleks look worse. The RTD Daleks looked super awesome, but they looked too 'perfect'.. These new ones look more clunky and awkward and less golden and basically I find that scarier because the fact they are supposedly so terrifying is even more scary if they don't look like they should be..
Also everyone always used to talk of Daleks being scary so I just associate retro ones with being scary since that was the little DW knowledge I had before it came back. Now it isn't one of the first things I think of or what people say about Who, it's more about the Doctor etc.. if anything people are tried of Daleks. RTD ones didn't have that Dalek X-Factor for me XD

I hate to say it, although I do understand the reasoning: given the Trailer for the Doctor Who: The Adventures Game that aired straight after the episode featuring a bright red Dalek, given that the new TARDIS console room was designed with the games in mind, I'd say that the new Daleks are a combination of evolution and necessity given the new four episodes on their way as of June...let's face it, this is no longer a Cult Show - this is some serious merchandising/spin-off capability...they were queuing in New York for TEH the other evening...doubt they'd have done that previously, multi-coloured Daleks pending or not

are you paying attention to the world around you lately?

Help me, my head hurts ..........

In a nutshell, Moffat went for a naff design to fit whatever timeline he chose to adhere to.

Yus.. Why is that weird?
They used to look cheap and plasticy and feeble and yet all anyone ever said about them was that they made them hide behind the sofa as a kid, and since I'm only 21 that was really most of what I knew of Doctor Who. Daleks=scariest things ever, look feeble.

Then they come back all shiny golden tanky and its like.. Well they look tough.. to me that is much less scary than something cheap looking which everyone is terrified of because they're not terrified of tough shiny metal, they're terrified of something more. Their xenophobic lack of empathy. Their track record on killing. Just.. something I can't describe which is scarier than a tank (which yes I would be scared of if after me but not as much as a dalek because lets face it, tanks are man-made, destructible and people are faced with them on a sadly frequent basis, unlike Daleks which I had always grown up thinking were meant to be much much scarier than some regular thing). That's why. SOrry if it was rambly.

..then they can watch a different franchise, or a different genre?


yeah, I guess its a soap opera with occasional sci-fi elements in the background, isn't it. silly me.

So I've not read through the entire thread, but Hunchback Daleks. Not impressed by that.

Oh well. I still like them from the front.

Well you said "well may i suggest you do so, clearly you are unable to identify what a dalek should look like?!


This must be due to the credit crunch & economic difficulties, i am thinking all intelligence has left this island long ago"

Maybe those two things weren't connected but I thought you were implying I wasn't intelligent (since I am on this island and the previous sentence was about me).. so I was just saying that those were not the reasons for my not watching more DW and agreeing with you.

But... tbh yes I have looked around me and I don't see the world getting dumber. As I mentioned I'm 21 so to me the world is constantly getting smarter since 5 yrs ago I was hanging around with school kids many of whom were forced to be there and not very interested in learning anything about the world and now I'm surrounded by older people who are.. I can't accurately judge what the world was like before and people tend to be nostalgic and unrealistic and generalise but to me looking around recently, my world has gotten smarter.. And your comment just seemed irrelevant to my post which you were replying to.

good post, you clearly understand.

Confidential "testing" part made me love these Daleks

Long time lurker but first post.

I feel this new series is just not working. It's not Matt Smiths fault - in fact I think he's doing a good job so far. I feel the storylines are really weak and so far seem to be relying on the legacy previous writers have left.

The new Daleks? I hate them. The BBC have changed so much in the new series which I can only put down to getting more form new merchandising - but I have to say the Daleks look poor, very poor.

I blogged my feelings here http://www.fidgetwith.com/2010/04/17...hange-too-far/

I really do hope this series does get back on track, but I'm not holding out much hope now.

Yeah you might be right in your reasoning, as it is no longer cult and they do have a lot of merchandise but they still seemed more retro to me though since it looked less polished and tough.. and that made sense storywise if they were meant to be same as the original pure daleks and I just kinda like retro =]
they were scarier to me then

but I do get that they look kinda stupid and feeble, that just doesn't necessarily mean bad to me. Haven't totally decided whether I like them yet. I'd prefer black and grey to the primary colours. There was a white/greyish coloured one in the haribo-esque mix right?

apologies, i was refering to the world generally not you personally, at 21 you are too young to have shaped events significantly yet.

Thanks, you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Your meme deserves to spread.
I will refer to them as Hunchback Daleks from now on.