Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.
Best Dalek Story Ever
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Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“At last-someone else who appreciates The Chase!”
“At last-someone else who appreciates The Chase!”
I loved "The Chase" when I first saw it, not sure I'd choose to watch it over and over although it does contain a cracking example of the production pressures of the time as Jacqueline Hill can clearly be heard either rehearsing or going over her lines off camera in the scene before she appears...you have to take your hat off to all concerned for what they achieved...oh and The Mechanoids were grand!
Originally Posted by Maffmoose:
“Doctor Who Weekly (1980) The Dogs of War...completely unexpected!”
“Doctor Who Weekly (1980) The Dogs of War...completely unexpected!”
Blimey! That brings back memories!
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
Excluding non speaking cameo appearances, after this Saturday they'll have been in 90 televised episodes out of a total of 759.
Originally Posted by ArthurJBear:
“BiBi Nova here's a list:-
First Doctor - The Daleks • The Dalek Invasion of Earth • The Chase • "Mission to the Unknown" • The Daleks' Master Plan
Second Doctor - The Power of the Daleks • The Evil of the Daleks
Third Doctor - Day of the Daleks • Frontier in Space • Planet of the Daleks • Death to the Daleks
Fourth Doctor - Genesis of the Daleks • Destiny of the Daleks
Fifth Doctor - Resurrection of the Daleks
Sixth Doctor - Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor - Remembrance of the Daleks
Ninth Doctor - Dalek • Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
Tenth Doctor - Army of Ghosts/Doomsday • Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks • The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
Eleventh Doctor - Victory of the Daleks”
“BiBi Nova here's a list:-
First Doctor - The Daleks • The Dalek Invasion of Earth • The Chase • "Mission to the Unknown" • The Daleks' Master Plan
Second Doctor - The Power of the Daleks • The Evil of the Daleks
Third Doctor - Day of the Daleks • Frontier in Space • Planet of the Daleks • Death to the Daleks
Fourth Doctor - Genesis of the Daleks • Destiny of the Daleks
Fifth Doctor - Resurrection of the Daleks
Sixth Doctor - Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor - Remembrance of the Daleks
Ninth Doctor - Dalek • Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
Tenth Doctor - Army of Ghosts/Doomsday • Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks • The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
Eleventh Doctor - Victory of the Daleks”
Fantastic. I was after the very same list. If I could +Rep you I would.
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
excellent title for the next dalek story perhaps!
Call me Mr Predictable, but I still think Genesis of the Daleks is the best Dalek story (and one of the best classic Who stories overall). The character of Davros was a touch of genius, with an obvious debt to Dr Strangelove, and brilliantly played by Michael Wisher. The character was subsequently overused, but nothing can take away from my memories of his first appearance.
Anyone going to really surprise me and say that Destiny of the Daleks was the best?
Anyone going to really surprise me and say that Destiny of the Daleks was the best?
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“Except that following the Dalek destruction of Davros in GOTD, he became a figure that was sought out when needed and was never the leader which was finally played out when he pretty much instigated civil war among his own creations in "Remembrance..."
As far as I'm aware, Davros was only brought into "The Time War" to help the losing side (although since that hasn't shown up on TV yet, it's merely speculation and not canon)”
“Except that following the Dalek destruction of Davros in GOTD, he became a figure that was sought out when needed and was never the leader which was finally played out when he pretty much instigated civil war among his own creations in "Remembrance..."
As far as I'm aware, Davros was only brought into "The Time War" to help the losing side (although since that hasn't shown up on TV yet, it's merely speculation and not canon)”
That might have been why he was in the war to start with, but what ended up happening (as I'm sure you know) was Dalek Caan somehow travelling back into the Time War and saving Davros' life. The implication I got from that is that Caan told Davros how the Time War panned out for the Daleks and so Davros set to work creating a new race of Daleks that would survive the Time War.
There's no reason really why he couldn't have been in charge of them, I know he wasn't in his last appearances in the classic series this was a new Dalek race, he could have created them bound to obey him, he certainly had the genius for that.
Originally Posted by Sorry:
“Resurrection of the Daleks hasn't got a mention yet, so obviously not a fave. I found the opening of that quite menacing with the dodgy policemen with guns. The rest of the story's a bit pants though.”
“Resurrection of the Daleks hasn't got a mention yet, so obviously not a fave. I found the opening of that quite menacing with the dodgy policemen with guns. The rest of the story's a bit pants though.”
Resurrection was loved for ages, but Eric Saward's stories are very out of fashion at the moment. (When you've been a DW fan as long as me, you get to spot the fashions in fandom..). I have a problem with the story's excessive violence, and particularly with Saward's traditional savage killing of a vulnerable female character (Professor Playschool being machine gunned in the back is totally uncalled for).
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“I loved "The Chase" when I first saw it, not sure I'd choose to watch it over and over although it does contain a cracking example of the production pressures of the time as Jacqueline Hill can clearly be heard either rehearsing or going over her lines off camera in the scene before she appears...you have to take your hat off to all concerned for what they achieved...oh and The Mechanoids were grand!”
“I loved "The Chase" when I first saw it, not sure I'd choose to watch it over and over although it does contain a cracking example of the production pressures of the time as Jacqueline Hill can clearly be heard either rehearsing or going over her lines off camera in the scene before she appears...you have to take your hat off to all concerned for what they achieved...oh and The Mechanoids were grand!”
The Chase is quite shockingly bad, in places. Mrs Chuff and I watched it last week, and found ourselves stunned that such padded nonsense had been transmitted. Because it shifts from location to location, the production struggles to keep up. Some of the ideas are poor, some of the sets and costumes are worse. There are scenes where the camera can be clearly seen, where there are gaps int he set, where people fluff their lines ... shonky in the extreme. The Mechonoids are great, though. Where is it that the lovely Jackie can be overheard rehearsing?
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
It does look like not very many when you list them out, doesn't it?
Originally Posted by Leper Messiah:
“There's no reason really why he couldn't have been in charge of them, I know he wasn't in his last appearances in the classic series this was a new Dalek race, he could have created them bound to obey him, he certainly had the genius for that.”
“There's no reason really why he couldn't have been in charge of them, I know he wasn't in his last appearances in the classic series this was a new Dalek race, he could have created them bound to obey him, he certainly had the genius for that.”
Davros' problem has always been that he wants to create a perfect superior being - but that just means they will always see their own creator as being an inferior. The Daleks will always need him as an ideas man, but he's never going to be in control of them - that's just not in their nature.
To add to the list:
The Space Museum (Dalek shell in Episode 1, cliffhanger to The Chase in Episode 4)
The Waters of Mars (non speaking)
The Space Museum (Dalek shell in Episode 1, cliffhanger to The Chase in Episode 4)
The Waters of Mars (non speaking)
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“Resurrection was loved for ages, but Eric Saward's stories are very out of fashion at the moment.”
“Resurrection was loved for ages, but Eric Saward's stories are very out of fashion at the moment.”
Don't think this is true. To be fair, it inexplicably won the DWAS series poll that year (beating Caves of Androzanni!), but it was always looked on as a major disappointment after Earthshock, and only a year after broadcast was put well in its place by Revelation.
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“Resurrection was loved for ages, but Eric Saward's stories are very out of fashion at the moment. (When you've been a DW fan as long as me, you get to spot the fashions in fandom..). I have a problem with the story's excessive violence, and particularly with Saward's traditional savage killing of a vulnerable female character (Professor Playschool being machine gunned in the back is totally uncalled for).
The Chase is quite shockingly bad, in places. Mrs Chuff and I watched it last week, and found ourselves stunned that such padded nonsense had been transmitted. Because it shifts from location to location, the production struggles to keep up. Some of the ideas are poor, some of the sets and costumes are worse. There are scenes where the camera can be clearly seen, where there are gaps int he set, where people fluff their lines ... shonky in the extreme. The Mechonoids are great, though. Where is it that the lovely Jackie can be overheard rehearsing?”
“Resurrection was loved for ages, but Eric Saward's stories are very out of fashion at the moment. (When you've been a DW fan as long as me, you get to spot the fashions in fandom..). I have a problem with the story's excessive violence, and particularly with Saward's traditional savage killing of a vulnerable female character (Professor Playschool being machine gunned in the back is totally uncalled for).
The Chase is quite shockingly bad, in places. Mrs Chuff and I watched it last week, and found ourselves stunned that such padded nonsense had been transmitted. Because it shifts from location to location, the production struggles to keep up. Some of the ideas are poor, some of the sets and costumes are worse. There are scenes where the camera can be clearly seen, where there are gaps int he set, where people fluff their lines ... shonky in the extreme. The Mechonoids are great, though. Where is it that the lovely Jackie can be overheard rehearsing?”
But let's not forget Peter Purves' superlative "doubling" as the American tourist before arriving as Steven...oh if only they'd try something like that today just because they can
If we are adding Dalek stories to the list, don't forget the glorious The Five Doctors. Cracking use of a Dalek there.
Adam has underlined my point: Resurrection was loved on first broadcast, but has become more unpopular in recent years. The Saward scripts have fallen out of fashion (Resurrection, Earthshock, Attack of the Cybermen ... somehow Revelation has escaped this).
Adam has underlined my point: Resurrection was loved on first broadcast, but has become more unpopular in recent years. The Saward scripts have fallen out of fashion (Resurrection, Earthshock, Attack of the Cybermen ... somehow Revelation has escaped this).
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“But let's not forget Peter Purves' superlative "doubling" as the American tourist before arriving as Steven...oh if only they'd try something like that today just because they can”
“But let's not forget Peter Purves' superlative "doubling" as the American tourist before arriving as Steven...oh if only they'd try something like that today just because they can
”
Read somewhere that he wasn't chosen to play Steven until after he played Morton Dill. That's casting on the hoof.
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“To add to the list:
The Space Museum (Dalek shell in Episode 1, cliffhanger to The Chase in Episode 4)
The Waters of Mars (non speaking)”
“To add to the list:
The Space Museum (Dalek shell in Episode 1, cliffhanger to The Chase in Episode 4)
The Waters of Mars (non speaking)”
In that case shouldn't we count the Dalek shadow in The Beast Below?
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“If we are adding Dalek stories to the list, don't forget the glorious The Five Doctors. Cracking use of a Dalek there.
”
“If we are adding Dalek stories to the list, don't forget the glorious The Five Doctors. Cracking use of a Dalek there.
”
Oh yeah, how did I forget that! Agree, best shot of an inside of a Dalek ever!
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
“Excellent. Thanks for the list. For some reason I thought there should be more. Shows the impact of the Daleks.”
I think 'Impact of the Daleks' is the name of the next story after this one.
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“In that case shouldn't we count the Dalek shadow in The Beast Below?”
“In that case shouldn't we count the Dalek shadow in The Beast Below?”
Quite possibly. Depends on people's point of view over whether a shadow counts. However, at the end of The Space Museum they did have a full speaking scene, so not quite the same and in The Waters of Mars the Dalek was central to the plot.
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“Quite possibly. Depends on people's point of view over whether a shadow counts. However, at the end of The Space Museum they did have a full speaking scene, so not quite the same and in The Waters of Mars the Dalek was central to the plot.”
“Quite possibly. Depends on people's point of view over whether a shadow counts. However, at the end of The Space Museum they did have a full speaking scene, so not quite the same and in The Waters of Mars the Dalek was central to the plot.”
Also depends on what constitutes a 'Dalek story' as opposed to just a story where a Dalek appears.
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“Also depends on what constitutes a 'Dalek story' as opposed to just a story where a Dalek appears.”
“Also depends on what constitutes a 'Dalek story' as opposed to just a story where a Dalek appears.”
When I counted the Dalek episodes earlier, I went by the ones in which they had speaking parts as opposed to just being seen in flashback or as an empty casing. By that reckoning, there are 89 so far (not counting this Saturday's). The Daleks 1-7, Dalek Invasion of Earth 1-6, The Space Museum part 4, The Chase 1-6, Mission to the Unknown, Dalek Masterplan 1-12, Power of the Daleks 1-6, Evil of the Daleks 1-7, Day of the Daleks 1-4, Frontier in Space part 6, Planet of the Daleks 1-6, Death to the Daleks 1-4, Genesis 1-6, Destiny 1-4, The Five Doctors, Resurrection 1-2, Revelation 1-2, Remembrance 1-4, Dalek, Bad Wolf, The Parting of the Ways, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday, Evolution of the Daleks, Daleks in Manhattan, The Stolen Earth and Journey's End.
I actually think The Power Of The Daleks. By listening to the audio with the telesnaps, I think it stands up as a cracking good adventure. I think The Daleks in this story are as sneaky and evil as they have ever been and from what I've seen of the trailer for Saturday, elements of this story are present within it. I think both Dalek stories of the Troughton Era are the best ever, but this one just about beat Evil because the Daleks are in a different situation to what we've become accustomed to.
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“I actually think The Power Of The Daleks. By listening to the audio with the telesnaps, I think it stands up as a cracking good adventure. I think The Daleks in this story are as sneaky and evil as they have ever been and from what I've seen of the trailer for Saturday, elements of this story are present within it. I think both Dalek stories of the Troughton Era are the best ever, but this one just about beat Evil because the Daleks are in a different situation to what we've become accustomed to.”
“I actually think The Power Of The Daleks. By listening to the audio with the telesnaps, I think it stands up as a cracking good adventure. I think The Daleks in this story are as sneaky and evil as they have ever been and from what I've seen of the trailer for Saturday, elements of this story are present within it. I think both Dalek stories of the Troughton Era are the best ever, but this one just about beat Evil because the Daleks are in a different situation to what we've become accustomed to.”
Agreed... I like PowerOTD quite a lot.
Originally Posted by sepmix:
“It's 45 minutes as normal now, saying it was 65 minutes was an error on the BBCs behalf.”
“It's 45 minutes as normal now, saying it was 65 minutes was an error on the BBCs behalf.”
Yeah I was annoyed to have seen that on the tv guide last night. Still, looks like a good ep. Have you all seen the clip and intro for it which is on the site now?
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