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lukestanton91
14-04-2010
Im 19 and grew up in the 1990's so my first contact with Doctor was with Paul McGann as The Doctor.

I knew about Doctor Who before though through my Dad who was born in 1960 and remembers pretty much all of the original series. He told me how brilliant it was and his favourite Doctor Patrick Troughton. My Mum told me about how my Grandad banned her from watching it because it scared her.

I loved the Paul McGann movie at the time and i have to say i thnk Paul Mcgann is an excellent Doctor, his audio's are brilliant. But through the movie and my Dad i got into it and got a slow drip of Doctor through my Dad.

I can say Peter Davison is my favourite Doctor. (The Caves Of Androzani, favourite episode of all time)

But anyway when i heard it was coming back i was very excited, i knew some people were scecptical, i remember Radio 2's Steve Wright being not sure about it returning.

I was just so happy when it came back and how it is a success.
meglosmurmurs
14-04-2010
Not going to lie, but I hated the idea of it. I thought why improve on perfection? Okay so maybe that's a little full-on, but my memories of Dr Who are so happy that I didn't want people thinking they can do better coming along and crapping all over its legacy.
I watched alot of CE, but I did lose interest for DT.
The stories seem to have more of a Buffy/X-Files feel to them than Dr Who. I do like those two shows so it isn't so bad, but it doesn't have that grand feel it used to have.
But things need to be modernised I suppose, and I guess nostalgia is a very powerful thing.

I'm now watching it again after a few years and enjoying it, but it will never compete with my treasured memories of old Dr Who, especially Tom Baker's time. It was just so effortless and charming.
Adam Kelleher
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by poppycod:
“A few stories apart (Blink, Human Nature, The Empty Child, Girl in the Fireplace, Tooth and Claw etc) I prefer not to think of Series 1 to 4 as Dr Who as much of it is awful or just mediocre (New Earth, Up the Long Ladder, Fear Her etc)

I was near suicidal after about 5 miuntes of "Rose" and as the series progressed I realised RTD had no idea what Dr Who was about and he took the show in a direction that was appalling and repugnant.

I shall never forget, nor forgive what he did to Dr Who .

Thankfully we now seem back on track with a programme that is far more faithful to the original.

I think in about 10-20 years time most people will either have forgotten about the RTD era or will be dismissing it as non-canon etc.

It is heartbraking to think that most of the Troughton era is missing (I have spent lots of money myself on trying to track down missing episodes). If there was any justice in the world all of nu-Series 4 would be wiped andf the Troughton kissing stories owuld turn up. I would even like to burn the Tate series myself so it cannot blight the Who-niverse any more.”

I have wondered about why some people have been so negative about Poppycod, but on reading this post I can see why. Has to be the most bizarre, ridiculous, absurd, over the top and illogical post I have ever read.
BibaNova
14-04-2010
Intially I was very skeptical. I had a few friends old DW fanatics and they had every episode (bar the lost ones) on tape.
I really didn't like the casting of Billie Piper and thought it would be an unmitigated disaster.
I've been eating humble pie ever since.
Even my brothers are getting back into it.
CoalHillJanitor
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by poppycod:
“

Re-editing posts for 'comedy' is the lowest form of interent wit.”

Actually this is.
CoalHillJanitor
14-04-2010
Must say I admire the Troughton era a great deal and there's a lot to be said for the atmosphere of black and white Who. I'm going off topic though...
MKPatrick
14-04-2010
As a long time fan since 1973 I waited through all the false starts since cancellation. I remember the utter disappointment of the Dark Dimension being cut before it had got off the ground.

My first thoughts on learning the show was to return were very positive. Having enjoyed some of RTDs output, most notable Century Falls and Queer as Folk, I thought perhaps it was in good hands.

Eccelstone won me over immediately but from day one I really didn't like Billie Piper or the character of Rose. Whilst I enjoyed large chunks of season 1, the inclusion of gimmick characters and over reliance on Rose's family made me wonder if RTD is actually interested in the Doctor at all. The return of the Daleks was handled reasonably well in season one, and, Slitheen aside, the show was generally very good. Tennant started well, but as the stories became more and more ambitious and over the top, the show seemed to lose direction, becoming, for me, unrecognisable as the Doctor Who I have loved.

To me the nadir was very much the image of the Tardis towing the earth through space. Too ridiculous and absurd for words. Follow that with the very worst portrayal of the Master and shockingly bad use (and understanding) of the Time Lords and I was ready to walk.

The new series, however, has won me over anew. I thoroughly enjoy Smith's Doctor and find Amy to be a pleasing and potentially very good companion. The fact that episode 2 was a self contained mystery with a real solution, that did't rely on the Doctor saving the very universe itself, YET AGAIN, using nothing but the power of shouting and grinning, was very refreshing.

RTD is to be applauded for getting the show up and running, though had he refused someone else would have done the job, perhaps better, perhaps worse. However the conclusion that I have come to is that a fan of Doctor Who does not necessarily a good producer make. Likewise for writers .. I mean have you read fanfiction ?
SHAFT
14-04-2010
I've been watching Who since 1975 but stopped watching halfway through McCoy's terrible tenure. Initially I hated the idea of Who coming back because it was rumoured that Eddie Izzard was going to be the new Doctor. Luckily this was just speculation!

I was pleased when Eccleston got the part and his performance was excellent IMO.
johnnysaucepn
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by SHAFT:
“I've been watching Who since 1975 but stopped watching halfway through McCoy's terrible tenure.”

Shame - you left just as it was getting good.
Adam Kelleher
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by MKPatrick:
“As a long time fan since 1973 I waited through all the false starts since cancellation. I remember the utter disappointment of the Dark Dimension being cut before it had got off the ground.

My first thoughts on learning the show was to return were very positive. Having enjoyed some of RTDs output, most notable Century Falls and Queer as Folk, I thought perhaps it was in good hands.

Eccelstone won me over immediately but from day one I really didn't like Billie Piper or the character of Rose. Whilst I enjoyed large chunks of season 1, the inclusion of gimmick characters and over reliance on Rose's family made me wonder if RTD is actually interested in the Doctor at all. The return of the Daleks was handled reasonably well in season one, and, Slitheen aside, the show was generally very good. Tennant started well, but as the stories became more and more ambitious and over the top, the show seemed to lose direction, becoming, for me, unrecognisable as the Doctor Who I have loved.

To me the nadir was very much the image of the Tardis towing the earth through space. Too ridiculous and absurd for words. Follow that with the very worst portrayal of the Master and shockingly bad use (and understanding) of the Time Lords and I was ready to walk.

The new series, however, has won me over anew. I thoroughly enjoy Smith's Doctor and find Amy to be a pleasing and potentially very good companion. The fact that episode 2 was a self contained mystery with a real solution, that did't rely on the Doctor saving the very universe itself, YET AGAIN, using nothing but the power of shouting and grinning, was very refreshing.

RTD is to be applauded for getting the show up and running, though had he refused someone else would have done the job, perhaps better, perhaps worse. However the conclusion that I have come to is that a fan of Doctor Who does not necessarily a good producer make. Likewise for writers .. I mean have you read fanfiction ?”

Agree about The Dark Dimension, I was gutted when that was cancelled. Also agree about towing the Earth and the abysmal second New Who Master (Derek Jacobi was great) and Timelords. However, don't understand what you're saying about the current series in relation to the previous 4. In his first episode Matt Smith was saving the world, and there were plenty of self contained non Universe saving episodes in RTD's time - just to name a random few from the last couple of years - Unicorn, Daughter, Midnight, Planet of the Dead, Waters of Mars, etc, etc! And SM is just as much a fan as RTD!
daveyboy7472
14-04-2010
After being without the show for so long I was really excited by it's return. I didn't know much about Ecclestone before he came to the role and I thought Billie Piper, whom I'd only known as a singer to that point, was a fascinating bit of casting. I was really surprised by how good the new show was. Wasn't so keen on Ecclestone as The Doctor, especially after he quit after one just Episode had been broadcast, but nonetheless it was a good first series.
tingramretro
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by MKPatrick:
“Eccelstone won me over immediately but from day one I really didn't like Billie Piper or the character of Rose. Whilst I enjoyed large chunks of season 1, the inclusion of gimmick characters and over reliance on Rose's family made me wonder if RTD is actually interested in the Doctor at all. The return of the Daleks was handled reasonably well in season one, and, Slitheen aside, the show was generally very good. Tennant started well, but as the stories became more and more ambitious and over the top, the show seemed to lose direction, becoming, for me, unrecognisable as the Doctor Who I have loved.

To me the nadir was very much the image of the Tardis towing the earth through space. Too ridiculous and absurd for words. Follow that with the very worst portrayal of the Master and shockingly bad use (and understanding) of the Time Lords and I was ready to walk.

The new series, however, has won me over anew. I thoroughly enjoy Smith's Doctor and find Amy to be a pleasing and potentially very good companion. The fact that episode 2 was a self contained mystery with a real solution, that didn't rely on the Doctor saving the very universe itself, YET AGAIN, using nothing but the power of shouting and grinning, was very refreshing.

RTD is to be applauded for getting the show up and running, though had he refused someone else would have done the job, perhaps better, perhaps worse. However the conclusion that I have come to is that a fan of Doctor Who does not necessarily a good producer make. Likewise for writers .. I mean have you read fanfiction ?”

I am so glad it isn't just me! Pretty much everything you've said here echoes my own feelings about the last few years and the current season. A definite return to form for the show.
Adam Kelleher
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“I am so glad it isn't just me! Pretty much everything you've said here echoes my own feelings about the last few years and the current season. A definite return to form for the show.”

A return to form from when exactly?? As with all eras of Doctor Who, RTD's tenure had good and bad episodes. (I would agree the Master ones, with the exception of Utopia, were amongst the worst.) The 2 episodes of the current series were nothing special compared to the previous 5 years, and weren't even as good as previous episodes the writer wrote in the era you so despise.
WelshNige
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“I find it terribly sad the way that certain myopic and somewhat bigoted people who would have us believe they are fans of a programme only when it is entirely tailored to their own special needs (and I use the term advisedly) continually drop into threads such as this in order to repeat the same hackneyed points they have been making for so long that they were around before the "Time War" began...

...any "true" fan of the classic series will admit to plusses and minuses in all it's incarnations and would never "never forgive" anything that it attempted to do because that would directly contradict the ethos of the show which is to evolve, change, develop new ideas and break new ground in a way few other shows can...

...when I heard DW was being brought back I was elated and when my 5 year old niece and 8 year old nephew fell in love with it completely independently of my influence I realised that this is a programme format that transcends petty minds but appeals to the broad spectrum and long may it continue to do so.”

That, my friend, is a fantastic post....

My two children also fell in love with it without my influence and I get as much joy watching their reaction to it as I do of watching the show itself.

The usual suspects on here are an embarrassment to themselves and the show itself with their selfish, narrow minded views, but I take solace in the fact that they are in the tiny minority and the vast majority love the show, both new and old, for what it is, faults and all....
WelshNige
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by MKPatrick:
“To me the nadir was very much the image of the Tardis towing the earth through space. Too ridiculous and absurd for words. Follow that with the very worst portrayal of the Master and shockingly bad use (and understanding) of the Time Lords and I was ready to walk.
”

So how did you feel about the scene with Amy floating outside the Tardis with the Dr holding onto her leg, was that not absurd also?
MKPatrick
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“A return to form from when exactly?? As with all eras of Doctor Who, RTD's tenure had good and bad episodes. (I would agree the Master ones, with the exception of Utopia, were amongst the worst.) The 2 episodes of the current series were nothing special compared to the previous 5 years, and weren't even as good as previous episodes the writer wrote in the era you so despise.”

We'll agree to differ then, as I thoroughly enjoyed them both, something I found very difficult with Tennant as the Doctor and nigh on impossible whenever Catherine Tate was present.
tingramretro
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“So how did you feel about the scene with Amy floating outside the Tardis with the Dr holding onto her leg, was that not absurd also?”

The Doctor had extended the air shell of the TARDIS to allow Amy to float outside unharmed, effectively a space walk without a suit. that isn't anywhere near as preposterous as the idea of actually towing a planet through space, which would cause incalculable devastation as the tides went haywire even if the entire planet didn't freeze over or burn up.
jaydogz
14-04-2010
Wow, thanks for all the replies, some great reading there, and so many different views on its return.


Originally Posted by hardylane:
“Because I knew Russell, and he had spoken to me as early as 2001 about his desire to revive Dr Who, I was certainly willing to believe he had the right enthusiasm.

I was worried about how the new Beeb would handle it, and if the team of newbie fresh-faced non-Whovians would even give the past a nod.

Like many people, I downloaded the naughty-naughty preview version prior to transmission (and was amazed that they were using the old theme!)... of course the new theme was on the transmission version!

However, I was very pleasantly surprised. My surprise grew to love and past that into the very same feeling of joy I used to experience when I was a child/teenager.

Who was back. It was great.

More importantly it was significantly better than some of the the horrendous stories i had forced myself to sit through from 1985-1989”

So it was leaked before transmission?, new to me, is there a thread in the achives on here?

Originally Posted by SHAFT:
“I've been watching Who since 1975 but stopped watching halfway through McCoy's terrible tenure. Initially I hated the idea of Who coming back because it was rumoured that Eddie Izzard was going to be the new Doctor. Luckily this was just speculation!

I was pleased when Eccleston got the part and his performance was excellent IMO.”

Very lucky indeed
clacker2005
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“So how did you feel about the scene with Amy floating outside the Tardis with the Dr holding onto her leg, was that not absurd also?”

Given that Im happy to accept that they're in a time machine that's disguised as a police phone box and hurtling through time and space, I find that quite acceptable also!
DavidG_UK
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“The Doctor had extended the air shell of the TARDIS to allow Amy to float outside unharmed, effectively a space walk without a suit. that isn't anywhere near as preposterous as the idea of actually towing a planet through space, which would cause incalculable devastation as the tides went haywire even if the entire planet didn't freeze over or burn up.”

And a box that is infinitely bigger on the inside than the outside isn't equally preposterous?
Dizx
14-04-2010
I was very very excited. I'm 16 so obviously missed out on a lot but I've got a Doctor Who loving dad who went on and on about it and even built a life size Dalek, so I've sort of grown up with it even with it's absence. (I have to admit I haven't actually watched much classic Who, we could never find it.)
I couldn't believe my luck when it was brought back and now I'm obsessed with it and so much to do with it!
Sorry
14-04-2010
The earliest memories of watching Dr Who was in 1974 (Pertwee's last season) and watched it from then onwards, although I didn't bother watching much from Trial of the Timelord through the McCoy era. I was in my late teens by then, so probably thought it was uncool... I remember being excited (and ultimately disappointed) about the McGann film.

So when I heard Dr Who was coming back, I thought great, but I was ready to be disappointed again. Fortunately, Ecclestone nailed it. I thought the whole of the first new season was excellent and was disappointed when CE left.
omipalone
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by DavidG_UK:
“And a box that is infinitely bigger on the inside than the outside isn't equally preposterous?”

Not at all - Tom Baker explained it all to Leela
WelshNige
14-04-2010
Originally Posted by clacker2005:
“Given that Im happy to accept that they're in a time machine that's disguised as a police phone box and hurtling through time and space, I find that quite acceptable also! ”

That's my whole point clacker, how someone can criticise a single idea in Dr who as preposterous when the whole premise of the show is preposterous is highly amusing.
tysonstorm
14-04-2010
Been a fan all my life, I can't say I was enthusiastic about the return though. The 1996 movie left a bitter taste in my mouth, although I thought McGann was great everything else about it was atrocious.

Then I thoroughly enjoyed Eccleston's stint but wasn't a big fan of the Tennant era. Glad Matt Smith is here though as he has a very retro Doctor feel about him. The Beast Below was a bit of an iffy episode but it's early days yet.
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