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Chase Play After Pause - Problem
I am getting a bit fed up with the chase play problem on the Humax HDR. I try to avoiding pausing programmes when i am watching them at the time of broadcast, but sometimes its unavoidable.
Twice this week ive paused a programme due to phone calls and twice its bombed out when the actual broadcasted programme has finished, and ive missed the end. Its a well known bug so if bob_cat is reading this, is there any chance that this problem will be fixed ? At the moment "Live Pause" is totally unusable. |
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According to the defenders its your own fault you havent caught up before it finished.
Live pause is unusable so the best thing to do is to record the program and watch it back that way. Dont hold your breath on it being fixed though. |
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Live pause is unusable so the best thing to do is to record the program and watch it back that way.
And if I've paused something that i am watching on the BBC then because there are no adverts its impossible to catch the programme up without missing something. So i end up either missing the end, or skipping through some of the middle. I have no idea why they have not got round to fixing it so far because its quite a big fault. So come on Bob Cat, give us a fix..... please
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Also, recording it and then watching it while its still on has a huge problem, it will switch to live TV when the program has ended. Very annoying if you are watching a live sporting event and it reveals the end result.
Not sure if that had been fixed or not but its a similar problem. |
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Some confusion here, chasing playback is playing back from media list while the recording is actually taking place. Time shifting is pressing pause whilst watching a live recording. Chasing playback has no problems and works as you would expect. Time shift has a problem in that if the programme ends before you catch up to real time you lose the end. The solution is simple if you want to pause a live programme hit red record. When you come back press media and choose the ongoing recording.
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Chasing playback did have a problem where it cut back to live TV after the program ends, was that fixed then?
What hasnt been fixed is if you are within a minute of live TV on chase play. It will randomly stop you watching and flipping back to live TV for no reason. |
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Chasing playback did have a problem where it cut back to live TV after the program ends, was that fixed then?
What hasnt been fixed is if you are within a minute of live TV on chase play. It will randomly stop you watching and flipping back to live TV for no reason. |
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Which is exactly what I was doing, it cuts back to live programming when you get close to getting back to live TV. You could be watching TV for 20 mins without touching the remote and then it decided to cut back for no reason.
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Which is exactly what I was doing, it cuts back to live programming when you get close to getting back to live TV. You could be watching TV for 20 mins without touching the remote and then it decided to cut back for no reason.
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Try watching it very close to the end of the buffer and see it it jumps back, less than a minute away from live tiv.
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I'm waiting for this fix too, it's a huge flaw in the system and makes it pointless to use.
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I have not noticed it but why not simply carry on chase play viewing 1 minute behind real time ?
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Eh? Thats what I do but it flips to live TV. Not a huge problem but if you want to go back to chase play, it starts from where it flipped to live TV.
You catch up again and it does the same thing. Ive had it happen 6 or 7 times on the trot while trying to stay close to live TV. |
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Eh? Thats what I do but it flips to live TV. Not a huge problem but if you want to go back to chase play, it starts from where it flipped to live TV.
You catch up again and it does the same thing. Ive had it happen 6 or 7 times on the trot while trying to stay close to live TV. |
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Keep on pressing the forward button until you cant press it even more. Get within a few seconds of live TV and see what happens.
I dont know why it does it, I could be watching fine for 30 mins and then it will go to live TV without me touching anything. |
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Sorry I can't see the point of this. Started watching Foyles War tonight in chasing playback about 3-4 min after it started. Pressed the forward skip at the first adverts next press and it stop working. Pressed play and about 1 min behind real time, Currently no problems and i do not expect any. If yours does not work like this there is something wrong with your box. If you are worried about seeing the end 1-2 mins after it actually finishes its hardly a problem is it. And as for the comment about it not being usable it beggars belief. I totally agree there is a problem with time shifted playback, pretty sure it's as a result of the time shift buffer not being encrypted so it's deleted at the termination of the programme
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Sorry I can't see the point of this. Started watching Foyles War tonight in chasing playback about 3-4 min after it started. Pressed the forward skip at the first adverts next press and it stop working. Pressed play and about 1 min behind real time, Currently no problems and i do not expect any. If yours does not work like this there is something wrong with your box. If you are worried about seeing the end 1-2 mins after it actually finishes its hardly a problem is it ? And as for the comment about it not being usable it beggars belief. I totally agree there is a problem with time shifted playback, pretty sure it's as a result of the time shift buffer not being encrypted so it's deleted at the termination of the programme
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Are you saying if you go forward to 1 minute behind real time and leave it drops to live TV.
As I said its only happened the once although I must admit I now schedule all my programs to record (and watch it from the Media folder if I happen to want to watch it Live - well half a minute or so behind live). |
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As I said its only happened the once although I must admit I now schedule all my programs to record (and watch it from the Media folder if I happen to want to watch it Live - well half a minute or so behind live). |
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Sorry I can't see the point of this. Started watching Foyles War tonight in chasing playback about 3-4 min after it started. Pressed the forward skip at the first adverts next press and it stop working. Pressed play and about 1 min behind real time, Currently no problems and i do not expect any. If yours does not work like this there is something wrong with your box. If you are worried about seeing the end 1-2 mins after it actually finishes its hardly a problem is it ? And as for the comment about it not being usable it beggars belief. I totally agree there is a problem with time shifted playback, pretty sure it's as a result of the time shift buffer not being encrypted so it's deleted at the termination of the programme
It could be certain channels only, after a certain time or whatever. My box is perfect apart from this which leads me to think it is a bug and not my box acting up as lots of things usually happen then. |
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Good job you dont work in computers. Doing something once and not finding a bug is not proof it doesnt exist. You might have to do it 10 or 20 times to find it. Even then if you dont, thats still not proof that it doesnt exist.
It could be certain channels only, after a certain time or whatever. My box is perfect apart from this which leads me to think it is a bug and not my box acting up as lots of things usually happen then. |
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I've had something similar happen once. Was watching a channel without adverts (so one of the BBC channels) and I skipped back once (so 15 seconds behind live) and was happily watching the programme for a good 45 or so minutes (still 15 seconds behind) when all of a sudden it jumped back to live TV. What was even odder was that I know for certian there was nothing recording or due to be recorded so that rules that scenario out.
I could understand it if there were 2 programmes set to record when the current one was due to finish, but there was nothing recording. My apologies for getting the title of this thread wrong. I meant "Time Shift Playback" and not "Chase Play". |
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@ Flyer 10,
I think the reason few people here have seen the second bug you mention (jumping to live in the middle of a programme from "nearly live"), is because having found the first bug you mention (jumping to live when the live programme ends, even if you're minutes or hours behind) almost no one uses pause live TV any more! It's crap, I agree. But you can just press record instead of pause, and then just press media > play instead of pause again to resume. A bigger problem is that bug number one means you can't re-wind live TV, without missing the end (because it'll drop to live before you get to the end). No work around for that AFAICT. One nasty side effect of having this unusable feature is that the HDR's HDD is being thrashed every minute you're watching live TV for no good reason. Cheers, David. |
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I've had something similar happen once. Was watching a channel without adverts (so one of the BBC channels) and I skipped back once (so 15 seconds behind live) and was happily watching the programme for a good 45 or so minutes (still 15 seconds behind) when all of a sudden it jumped back to live TV. What was even odder was that I know for certian there was nothing recording or due to be recorded so that rules that scenario out.
As I said its only happened the once although I must admit I now schedule all my programs to record (and watch it from the Media folder if I happen to want to watch it Live - well half a minute or so behind live). When watching a minute or so delayed as "time shift", it sometimes jumps to current time. |
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Time shift playback has been flawed since the first hdr came out in 2008. The problem arises because when the programme finishes the recorded programme buffer is flushed leaving you back in real time and missing the end. Afaik this thread is the first that has mentioned random drop outs from time shift playback. When a HD channel is being watched the time shift buffer is recorded without encryption so that if the buffer was not flushed at the programme end anyone (like myself) with external access to the HDD could get over the Freesat encryption requirement by simply copying the buffered file. Pretty sure this is why this has not been fixed by Humax in any of the firmware upgrades from the initial release. In any case as I posted before if instead of hitting pause you hit the instant record button and then view the recording as it happens from the meda list at least as far as I can tell there is no problem.
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