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Thanks, I have been a lurker for a long time! I hadn't appreciated that the post referred to pausing while recording the same channel. Yes, I have seen this, and have been working around it without realising it. My old Humax PVR8000T single tuner Freeview box did the same thing. As most domestic viewing tends to be BBC1 or ITV1 I tend to record anything from those channels on ITV1 London if it's ITV (I'm in the Meridian region) or another BBC region if BBC1. This works OK providing you aren't trying to record two things at once AND trying to watch time shifted!
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That's interesting this happens when you catch up to real time (ie no buffer left), did this happen spontanously when you were behind real time or did you fast forward in some way to real time ?
It doesnt happen when fast forwarding, always when playing, its even played fine for an hour and then jumped back to the media menu for no reason. |
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I try to get as close as I can to real time in case I need to pause it. If you flip back to real time and pause it, doesnt that take up the 2nd tuner?
It doesnt happen when fast forwarding, always when playing, its even played fine for an hour and then jumped back to the media menu for no reason. |
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Ok, I use it as I dont want to miss the end of the program then and it wasnt an argument, it was a question hence the question mark.
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Well, as bob_cat has not contributed to this thread then I think we can assume that the Chase Play / Live pause problems will never be fixed.
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Which is exactly what I was doing, it cuts back to live programming when you get close to getting back to live TV. You could be watching TV for 20 mins without touching the remote and then it decided to cut back for no reason.
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Good to see its not specific to my box and looks like a Humax problem.
I think other people dont see it because they dont use the box as we do. Incidentally I havent had it happen since I last posted in this thread so someone trying it once and not having it happen doesnt mean it wont happen on their box. |
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I'm really confused here.
The OP says nothing about time shifted programs dropping out when a recording starts. He says that the time shifted program gets dumped at the scheduled finishing time of the currently viewed program. So, for clarification is this a problem that happens for all time-shifted programs even if nothing is being recorded or scheduled to record or only when a scheduled recording kicks in? ps. the manual says this: "The product automatically buffers the channel you are viewing to the Hard Drive (2 hour period), this enables you to pause live TV, rewind to the point you changed to the channel, and fast forward. Note: The buffer will be cleared whenever you change channels" which flys in the face of what a lot of people are experiencing. |
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I'm really confused here.
The OP says nothing about time shifted programs dropping out when a recording starts. He says that the time shifted program gets dumped at the scheduled finishing time of the currently viewed program. So, for clarification is this a problem that happens for all time-shifted programs even if nothing is being recorded or scheduled to record or only when a scheduled recording kicks in? ps. the manual says this: "The product automatically buffers the channel you are viewing to the Hard Drive (2 hour period), this enables you to pause live TV, rewind to the point you changed to the channel, and fast forward. Note: The buffer will be cleared whenever you change channels" which flys in the face of what a lot of people are experiencing. |
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I see.
I gathered from post 22 that this was nothing to do with recording at all. and then post 23 confirms this by stating that time-shifted watching is effectively useless because this happens all the time. |
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As this thread is active again I thought I would share an observation with you all which some will find quite useful.
If you are watching something and the phone rings and you just know that if you press the pause button that the following programme you have set to record is gonna wipe your buffer, then refrain from pausing and just turn the TV off. Why? Because if you let the recording continue and come to the scheduled end without calling up the buffer, the programme prior to the scheduled recording will become available as long as it's still within the 2 hour buffer range. Also if you forget this to begin with then just press the stop button to come out of the buffer and come back later after the recording stops. |
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Ok, I think the best thing is for me to try certain scenarios out at home (I bought two of these things yesterday).
If I find that time-shifted programs (with nothing recording or scheduled to record) jump to real time with the buffer cleared at the current program's scheduled stop time then I'm probably going to return them as that's next to useless for an advertised feature. With the Humax 9300T my young kids would frequently pause their program while they had breakfast and resume some time later. It seems that they could in fact miss the end of the program if it finishes while they are away and It's too much to expect them to record and use the media page etc. thanks for the replies. |
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Or do what I do and never watch live TV, always use chase play then you can pause or stop if you want and it will let you resume from the right place.
If only it worked 100%. Now its been weeks since the bug appeared |
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are you saying that you record absolutely everything you watch? and then effectively watch the recording?
That's not what these boxes are designed for though surely. and my kids won't be able to comprehend that. |
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I've had a Foxsat HDR for around 3 weeks now and so far have not run into this problem at all.
Can someone give a simple 1) 2) 3) etc set of steps to reproduce the problem reliably? If I know how to cause it I can know how to avoid running into it unexpectedly! |
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Ok, I think the best thing is for me to try certain scenarios out at home (I bought two of these things yesterday).
If I find that time-shifted programs (with nothing recording or scheduled to record) jump to real time with the buffer cleared at the current program's scheduled stop time then I'm probably going to return them as that's next to useless for an advertised feature. With the Humax 9300T my young kids would frequently pause their program while they had breakfast and resume some time later. It seems that they could in fact miss the end of the program if it finishes while they are away and It's too much to expect them to record and use the media page etc. thanks for the replies. |
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I've had a Foxsat HDR for around 3 weeks now and so far have not run into this problem at all.
Can someone give a simple 1) 2) 3) etc set of steps to reproduce the problem reliably? If I know how to cause it I can know how to avoid running into it unexpectedly! 2) watch BBC1 from say 19:45. 3) five minutes later press pause. 4) another five minutes later press pause again to restart playback. 5) When recording at 20:00 starts the buffer of the previous programme will empty. Note this only happens for the two programmes on the same channel. The buffer will remain intact should a recording start on a different channel. |
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Think of it this way, the hdr won't let both tuners tune to the same channel. If you were recording a bbc region you can get over this by using 1 region for the recording and another for the time shift playback.
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1) set a recording on BBC1 for 20:00.
2) watch BBC1 from say 19:45. 3) five minutes later press pause. 4) another five minutes later press pause again to restart playback. 5) When recording at 20:00 starts the buffer of the previous programme will empty. Note this only happens for the two programmes on the same channel. The buffer will remain intact should a recording start on a different channel. I guess as I only tend to record stuff that's on when I'm not around or on another channel to the one I'm watching it's not going to be much of an issue for me. |
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Think of it this way, the hdr won't let both tuners tune to the same channel. If you were recording a bbc region you can get over this by using 1 region for the recording and another for the time shift playback.
If the bug happens when a new programme starts on the same channel it's clearly finished recording the other programme and does not need another tuner. It's just playing back the temporary buffer. This is a bug with buffering. The Humax does not seem to be able to preserve an extant buffer. It seems to be related to the bug that does not save the buffer if you decide to record a programme you are watching. Although why it can't just keep playing the buffer as it records the new programme is a bit of a mystery. Just a plain, straightforward, bug, unrelated to any particularly difficult juggling, I think. |
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This is a bug with buffering. The Humax does not seem to be able to preserve an extant buffer. It seems to be related to the bug that does not save the buffer if you decide to record a programme you are watching. Although why it can't just keep playing the buffer as it records the new programme is a bit of a mystery. Just a plain, straightforward, bug, unrelated to any particularly difficult juggling, I think.
(As it is, I only use the HDR for some of the UK FTA Channels that are not on the Irish version of the Sky EPG.) |
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Has anyone had any dealings with Humax about this issue?
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Looking through these posts it appears that live pause works absolutely fine *except* in the situation where you are actually recording what you are watching or a recording is due to start on the same channel while you are watching. I still don't understand why many users are experiencing being dumped out of time-shift when the current program ends even when there is no recording taking place at all. |
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I still don't understand why many users are experiencing being dumped out of time-shift when the current program ends even when there is no recording taking place at all.
This is such a bug. Unfortunately, because of competitive pressures manufacturers never completely iron out all the bugs in any given design because they need to get the next model produced. Provided that the current model is 'good enough' there is simply no commercial advantage to getting it 100%. I know that when my current box gives up I would be perfectly happy to buy another just the same. I would be ecstatic to be able to but the same box with every niggle ironed out. What I'll actually be able to buy (apart from old stock) is a new box with a new front panel and a lot of added bells and whistles that I probably won't want. Such is life - no matter who the manufacturer is. |
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What would be nice, if (as I think I've read elsewhere) Humax don't plan to do any more updates for the current Foxsat HDR now they've got a new model underway, would be if they'd allow us access to the box at the Linux level. That way the bright-sparks in the community could sort these things out, as has happened with the Humax I-Cord.
However I doubt that's something that will ever happen. |
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