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Old 17-04-2010, 12:32
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Not only when did the Doctor first meet Churchill... but how come Churchill has a hotline to the Doctor's Tardis?

And do other Prime Ministers have the same hotline?

Accepting it's a made-up sci-fi show, I think it's a bit unrealistic to believe any Prime Minister can just phone up the Doctor! A fun idea but a bit hard to believe. How does someone from the PAST phone up someone from the FUTURE? And the telephone bill? Wow, must cost a lot!
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Old 17-04-2010, 12:43
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Not only when did the Doctor first meet Churchill... but how come Churchill has a hotline to the Doctor's Tardis?

And do other Prime Ministers have the same hotline?

Accepting it's a made-up sci-fi show, I think it's a bit unrealistic to believe any Prime Minister can just phone up the Doctor! A fun idea but a bit hard to believe. How does someone from the PAST phone up someone from the FUTURE? And the telephone bill? Wow, must cost a lot!
The same way Rose and Martha manage to phone home when they are millions of years in the future. Because the doctor modified the phone to allow them to do it.

There could quite easily be a phone that has been modified for the current Prime Minister to use if needed. Or it might be something else that will be explained in the episode. Maybe the 'ironsides' did something to enable it.
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Old 17-04-2010, 12:45
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The phone bill must be horrendous. All that time and space a phone call has to pass through. British Telecom must love it when people ring the Doctor. I hope Churchill reversed the charges.
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Old 17-04-2010, 12:52
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Are we forgetting TorchWood? Churchill could have read everything going on The Doctor which Torchwood had and therefore fully aware he can regenerate etc.
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Old 17-04-2010, 12:56
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Not only when did the Doctor first meet Churchill
This has been explained several times now in this thread.
... but how come Churchill has a hotline to the Doctor's Tardis?
Perhaps he gave it to him?

And do other Prime Ministers have the same hotline?

Accepting it's a made-up sci-fi show, I think it's a bit unrealistic to believe any Prime Minister can just phone up the Doctor! A fun idea but a bit hard to believe. How does someone from the PAST phone up someone from the FUTURE? And the telephone bill? Wow, must cost a lot!
So, it was OK when Rose and Martha did it, but not Churchill?
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Old 17-04-2010, 13:04
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Yes, the Doctor met him twice in the BBC Books series. In 'Players' and 'The Shadow in the Glass'.
Was the characterisation similar to how it seems in the trails for this weeks ep?
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Old 17-04-2010, 13:12
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Sorry guys I was referring to the clip that's been put up because Churchill recognised this newly regenerated Doctor and didn't seem to question it. I suppose the tardis gave it away mind you


No I love the future-past idea too, I just hope the River Song arc pays off.
In the clip Churchill says something like 'is that you Doctor?' or 'is it really you Doctor?'

That suggests to me, he recognises the Tardis and knows the Doctor regenerates rather than having encountered Doc11 before.
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Old 17-04-2010, 13:17
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In BBC Books, Colin Baker's doctor met him before.
Of course, if the Sixth Doctor is only incarnation that Winnie has met before then I'm sure that he (Churchill) will be delighted with the Doctor's change of apparel !
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Old 17-04-2010, 13:20
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Was the characterisation similar to how it seems in the trails for this weeks ep?
Well, Churchill is Churchill. Difficult to tell from one brief clip, but it seemed consistent to me. though I doubt we'll get any real explanation of their past history on screen anyway.
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Old 17-04-2010, 13:28
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Well, Churchill is Churchill. Difficult to tell from one brief clip, but it seemed consistent to me. though I doubt we'll get any real explanation of their past history on screen anyway.
I think it would be pretty satisfying if it tied back to those events, even if only in the briefest of fashions so as not to alienate fans who haven't read them.
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Old 17-04-2010, 13:31
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Well, Churchill is Churchill. Difficult to tell from one brief clip, but it seemed consistent to me. though I doubt we'll get any real explanation of their past history on screen anyway.
I don't think we particularly need it either. I'd much rather they get on with the story. There is only so much they can do in 45 minutes/
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Old 17-04-2010, 14:09
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I think it would be pretty satisfying if it tied back to those events, even if only in the briefest of fashions so as not to alienate fans who haven't read them.
Oh, I agree-but I'm not holding my breath. I'll be happy if there's no direct contradiction, which I doubt there will be.
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Old 17-04-2010, 15:32
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According to the writer, Mark Gatiss, there was a reference but it got cut in the edit...

In a scene we've lost [in the final cut], he sort of explains that he's known Churchill throughout Churchill's life - when he was a young man fighting in the Sudan, and he went to his memorial service - so it's that idea of rather than one single meeting with a famous figure they actually have a kind of relationship.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...-sherlock.html
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Old 17-04-2010, 15:36
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According to the writer, Mark Gatiss, there was a reference but it got cut in the edit...



http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...-sherlock.html
Oh, that's great! What a shame they lost it.
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Old 17-04-2010, 22:04
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So I was correct and Churchill had met a number (at least two others) of different Doctors.

Are we forgetting TorchWood? Churchill could have read everything going on The Doctor which Torchwood had and therefore fully aware he can regenerate etc.
Churchill may not have had access to Torchwood, Harriet Jones wasn't supposed to know about them.
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