DS Forums

 
 

I want RTD back (sorry but I do)


Closed Thread
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 17-04-2010, 22:08
Mulett
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 8,406

Three episodes in and I'm bored, unengaged and - after 40 years - am actually thinking giving up on Doctor Who.

Doctor 11 and Amy are great but the writing lacks the sort of heart and cleverness of the past 5 years.

I think Steven Moffat has written some fantastic episodes but I am beginning to think he's not cut out for the big job.

That said - the viewing figures are holding up and the AI ratings are very good so maybe its just me.

But I really miss RTD.
Mulett is offline  
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 17-04-2010, 22:11
Sector_15
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 427
Three episodes in and I'm bored, unengaged and - after 40 years - am actually thinking giving up on Doctor Who.

Doctor 11 and Amy are great but the writing lacks the sort of heart and cleverness of the past 5 years.

I think Steven Moffat has written some fantastic episodes but I am beginning to think he's not cut out for the big job.

That said - the viewing figures are holding up and the AI ratings are very good so maybe its just me.

But I really miss RTD.
Bye then :yawn:.
Sector_15 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:11
lordOfTime
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: County Durham
Posts: 15,061
I see a lot of 10 in Matt Smiths performance, but it's not so much the RTD Era I miss but David Tennants performance. He's a lot of peoples favourite Doctor and has a lot to live up to. But that's not his fault and it's not even that he's performed badly it's just doing to take a lot of getting used because so much has changed. Onscreen and backstage. I say embrace the change and we'll learn to put the past behind us.
lordOfTime is offline Follow this poster on Twitter  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:12
Muttley76
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: I wear a Stetson now...
Posts: 92,644
Big RTD fan, but nope, not missing him at all. I like change. Change is good.
Muttley76 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:17
neel
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,332
Could we not just have one big "I can't cope with change" thread.

The constant moaning about everything new is getting dull.
neel is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:20
Sector_15
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 427
Maybe they could all have a Planet of the Dead DVD night.
Sector_15 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:22
Deserana 12
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,867
Could we not just have one big "I can't cope with change" thread.

The constant moaning about everything new is getting dull.
HAHA!! thats a great idea
Deserana 12 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:23
tegan1973
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sunny Brighton
Posts: 2,613
Three episodes in and I'm bored, unengaged and - after 40 years - am actually thinking giving up on Doctor Who.

Doctor 11 and Amy are great but the writing lacks the sort of heart and cleverness of the past 5 years.

I think Steven Moffat has written some fantastic episodes but I am beginning to think he's not cut out for the big job.

That said - the viewing figures are holding up and the AI ratings are very good so maybe its just me.

But I really miss RTD.
No you are not alone. I think the same as you. I really had high hopes for this series and thought Matt Smith would make a great Doctor. But I am struggling to hold onto interest and I feel its lost its way.

I am going to give it one more go next week to see if i make it to the end of an episode. I just get so bored and lose interest mid way. There is nothing keeping me hooked.

I also suspect the viewing figures will start to drop. It reminds me of when Davison left and it all went downhill after that.
tegan1973 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:25
JohnFlawbod
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: City of London
Posts: 4,573
Three episodes in and I'm bored, unengaged and - after 40 years - am actually thinking giving up on Doctor Who.

Doctor 11 and Amy are great but the writing lacks the sort of heart and cleverness of the past 5 years.

I think Steven Moffat has written some fantastic episodes but I am beginning to think he's not cut out for the big job.

That said - the viewing figures are holding up and the AI ratings are very good so maybe its just me.

But I really miss RTD.
I think possibly, and this purely my own opinion, that the key factor in your OP is "three episodes" followed by "after 40 years"...if I'd tuned into The Chase or the interminable Quad Bike scenes from Day of the Daleks or The Twin Dilemma or...well, we all have own down-points then I would question many things...but I see no reason to question his role as Executive Producer just yet - yes, the "crack" is being made very obvious, but then, we have had subtle introduction before...with hindsight everyone thinks they spotted "Bad Wolf" immediately whereas in fact they lie - they only picked up on it using the website...give it time to bed in...I would never advocate watching something you weren't enjoying but I would venture that you were enjoying more than you might think even if it isn't meeting all of your hopes just yet.
JohnFlawbod is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:25
tegan1973
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sunny Brighton
Posts: 2,613
Could we not just have one big "I can't cope with change" thread.

The constant moaning about everything new is getting dull.
This is not a complaint about change. I loved Tennant and Eccleston. But now its just plain awful. Change is good, but when its for the worse its very sad.
tegan1973 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:29
Mulett
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 8,406
Could we not just have one big "I can't cope with change" thread.

The constant moaning about everything new is getting dull.
I'm 40. I've lived through eight regenerations, endless production staff changes, big budgets, small budgets, cancelations, new writers, new doctors, new companions, new producers and new writers.

The idea I can't adjust to change is frankly ridiculous. Change is an exciting and important part of the show. I just don't think ALL change is good.

I'm not enjoying the show in its current form.
Mulett is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:31
tegan1973
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sunny Brighton
Posts: 2,613
I'm 40. I've lived through eight regenerations, endless production staff changes, big budgets, small budgets, cancelations, new writers, new doctors, new companions, new producers and new writers.

The idea I can't adjust to change is frankly ridiculous. Change is an exciting and important part of the show. I just don't think ALL change is good.

I'm not enjoying the show in its current form.
I'm a similar age to you and the same. Have watched so much Dr Who and I know what its meant to feel like. I adore change. I think its revived the programme so much. Now its starting to feel like the 80s scenario again when it will become a joke.
tegan1973 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:33
CLL Dodge
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: The Green Hills of Earth
Posts: 80,418
But is it all down to Moffat or are the other producers and the BBC execs having their say too?

Maybe we need Phil Collinson back.
CLL Dodge is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:34
tegan1973
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sunny Brighton
Posts: 2,613
I think possibly, and this purely my own opinion, that the key factor in your OP is "three episodes" followed by "after 40 years"...if I'd tuned into The Chase or the interminable Quad Bike scenes from Day of the Daleks or The Twin Dilemma or...well, we all have own down-points then I would question many things...but I see no reason to question his role as Executive Producer just yet - yes, the "crack" is being made very obvious, but then, we have had subtle introduction before...with hindsight everyone thinks they spotted "Bad Wolf" immediately whereas in fact they lie - they only picked up on it using the website...give it time to bed in...I would never advocate watching something you weren't enjoying but I would venture that you were enjoying more than you might think even if it isn't meeting all of your hopes just yet.
Rubbish we are all giving it a chance as we do when a new doctor comes in. Its the first time ever i have agreed with people when they have said how shockingly poor the show is now.
tegan1973 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:43
Mulett
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 8,406
Rubbish we are all giving it a chance as we do when a new doctor comes in. Its the first time ever i have agreed with people when they have said how shockingly poor the show is now.
I know exactly what you mean - I love this show so much and was SO excited when the new series began. And I do appreciate the other comments about 'how can you tell after just three episodes'.

But I've been unengaged from my favourite show for three weeks now and I can't see any signs that this might change.

I have my fingers crossed for next week - but at this point in time I stand by what I have said.

Moffat's 'Who' isn't as good as RTD's. So far!
Mulett is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:45
DavidG_UK
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Costa Blanca, Spain
Posts: 1,558
I'm still enjoying it but I do understand why some people are having problems with the new series.

I liked last week's episode but I felt what it lacked was an obvious "villain" to fight. I know it wasn't meant to have one and that was the whole point of the story.

What I felt was wrong with tonight's was it was all resolved with ten minutes to go and the last ten minutes were pretty much just dialogue. The solution to the "end of the world scenario" was just in the end Amy talking to the Dalek creation, which while it all made sense plot wise lacked that "oh my god are they going to save the day?" edge of the seat moment that is required

I think Matt and Karen are great, the direction is grand, the production values are still what they always were and overall the series has a nice feel. Perhaps what's nissing is that "edge" that the series usually has

The next story does look great though.

I think perhas Moffat is still finding his feet. It's different putting all your imagination into one or two stories per series as script writer compared to over seeing a whole series with two new leading actors and trying to put your own personal stamp on the show after the 4 series plus specials of RTD. He's clearly got his own particular ideas for how he wants to take Who this year - I'm jsut not sure at the moment it's all gelling completely.

But I am not giving up. I lived through the whole Colin Baker era and the first McCoy series and didn't stop being a fan and despite its faults at the moment this series is nowhere as bad as those were
DavidG_UK is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:47
Reality Sucks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,363
Three episodes in and I'm bored, unengaged and - after 40 years - am actually thinking giving up on Doctor Who.

Doctor 11 and Amy are great but the writing lacks the sort of heart and cleverness of the past 5 years.

I think Steven Moffat has written some fantastic episodes but I am beginning to think he's not cut out for the big job.

That said - the viewing figures are holding up and the AI ratings are very good so maybe its just me.

But I really miss RTD.
I agree. It's just not the same, Nothing against Matt Smith or the girl who plays Amy, but the show has lost it's tension and drama IMO.
Reality Sucks is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:47
Sector_15
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 427
Lets face it compared to the claptrap original Who gave us this is like bloody shakespear.
Sector_15 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:48
JohnFlawbod
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: City of London
Posts: 4,573
Rubbish we are all giving it a chance as we do when a new doctor comes in. Its the first time ever i have agreed with people when they have said how shockingly poor the show is now.
Well: your immediate rubbishing of my post suggests, in spite of your use of the Royal "we" that you have made up your mind - please tell me you are not going to persistently post this same argument ad infinitum in the vain hope that you will attract others to your cause - you have made your point, I have provided a rebuttal (although amusingly, you have chosen to respond to my reply to another Poster) there endeth the debate.
JohnFlawbod is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:49
JohnFlawbod
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: City of London
Posts: 4,573
I agree. It's just not the same, Nothing against Matt Smith or the girl who plays Amy, but the show has lost it's tension and drama IMO.
But you hated RTD Who too
JohnFlawbod is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:50
neel
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,332
Lets not forget that the RTD era gave us ....

1. The guy from Biker grove playing a Cyberman hunting bad ass, funny but for the wrong reasons.

2. A Dalek in a sharp pin stripe suit, again hilarious but for the wrong reasons.

3. The Slytheen, a cross between an evil menacing space alien and Mr Blobby. With fart jokes.

I could go on, I will not because some of it was also very good. The Point is nothing in the new episodes is as bad as the Daleks in Manhatten.
neel is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:50
tegan1973
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sunny Brighton
Posts: 2,613
Lets face it compared to the claptrap original Who gave us this is like bloody shakespear.
No thats not true. You can't discount all those different doctors that easily. This reminds me of some of the poor Colin Baker stories.
tegan1973 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:52
Reality Sucks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,363
But you hated RTD Who too
Where did you get that idea from?
Reality Sucks is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:53
tegan1973
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sunny Brighton
Posts: 2,613
Well: your immediate rubbishing of my post suggests, in spite of your use of the Royal "we" that you have made up your mind - please tell me you are not going to persistently post this same argument ad infinitum in the vain hope that you will attract others to your cause - you have made your point, I have provided a rebuttal (although amusingly, you have chosen to respond to my reply to another Poster) there endeth the debate.
'We' as in all of us who watch Dr Who!

Blimey who rattled your cage? Aren't i allowed to find the programme i have loved from childhood crap?

This is why i rarely post in here. You are all so rude!

Edited: to add that i do not have a CAUSE. Go away if you are not adult enough to make constructive remarks.
tegan1973 is offline  
Old 17-04-2010, 22:53
Mulett
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 8,406
Well: your immediate rubbishing of my post suggests, in spite of your use of the Royal "we" that you have made up your mind - please tell me you are not going to persistently post this same argument ad infinitum in the vain hope that you will attract others to your cause - you have made your point, I have provided a rebuttal (although amusingly, you have chosen to respond to my reply to another Poster) there endeth the debate.

To be fair, John, the debate isn't over - we are allowed to post opinions that aren't the same as yours. Shame you chose to respond in such a disrespectful manner.
Mulett is offline  
 
Closed Thread




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 20:11.