She wouldn't have missed them, the Doctor questioning, and saying she should of known about them told you that. Something changed, something that shouldn't have.

tbh I'd miss aliens and laser beams if I was staring at her crack.

Well its possibly, lets say everyone was the Master when Rasillion restored the human race all mention of alien life form was erased. Leading to this point where a human does not recognise a Dalek at all. The Doctor manages to fix this mishap and people remember, therefore Amy can forget and Adelaide can remember.
That or as shown, events can change the future as was shown in Waters of Mars. That in his time line The Doctor meets the Adelaide who remembers, he nevers meets the one who doesn't

Also a note on something people aren't mentioned. The Tardis is out of track with time itself, The Doctor keeps arriving late. Whilst it is known that the Tardis does this, it does fit in with the arc.

I think I'd join you in the switching off if that happened

So not confusing at all, perfect thing to distract you from writing a very important, large essay, which for the love of God won't write itself.
Does that mean that the tardis is not traveling in a Linear fashion, but instead jumping around inside the Doctors own timeline, meaning hes "appearing" before he himself has been there, or am just taking the idea of timey whimey stuff a bit too far, probably,
I'll just stop thinking about stuff now.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this series so far but I am starting to wonder if SM is pulling something of a sleight of hand with all this concentration on the crack and Amy being somehow not right...he's been around since before Series 1 and watched the arcs develop subsequently: would he really bother with such obvious telegraphing as zeroing in on the crack in time and space at the end of every episode unless it was merely part of a greater whole as yet to be revealed...

...in a way, it's like BAD WOLF in reverse: no one cottoned on immediately and then gradually via the web and the DW website word spread until everyone was looking for BW references...this time we have been told what it is from the outset...but is it relevant? If it is relevant what does it mean? Or is there something else which, because of the obvious clues getting in the way...we're all somehow missing?

Or...is he having a big, old-fashioned laugh at the expense of we who worry about such things and let it get in the way of a rip-roaringly good adventure yarn?

It didn't happen in the mid 90's, you just need to look at the cars, the fashion, the mobile phones to work out its supposed to be the present day.

But then you have to look at Amy's boyfriend's NHS tag, which said he started with the NHS in 1990, and we're to believe it was 2010 and he'd been working for them for 20 years?


I think that the Doctor has missed something massive, Earth's history has changed and advanced greatly and the crack in time is the key to it all.

But what is it exactly?

Someone mentioned alternate universe and i agree.

We saw in one alternate world that one change was the head of state in the UK being called President, what's to say in another alternate world that the events of Journey's End merely didn't happen and that besides that the universe is exactly the same?

What's interesting to note is that, in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, the reality bomb was meant to affect EVERY universe and reality and so, surely, no matter what parallel the Doctor may be in, there should be some knowledge of its events.

Even if that logic doesn't quite add up, I don't think it is that. Instead, I think time has been distorted by this crack. Events are out of sync and out of place with each other, ever since the brief return of the Timelords (who I don't think we've seen the last of and who I think are involved in this in some way). This might be why Amy didn't know (I mean, even if TSE/JE didn't happen, wouldn't the Army of Ghosts still have happened?)

My guess is events are either being erased or distorted. They always revolve around the Doctor too, which is why I believe the Timelords are involved...

isnt it something to do wit the battle at canary wharf?

No, I think there's something else going on, and Rory's name badge being dated too early and British Steel poster in this episode being there twenty years before the company was founded are a part of it. We're being distracted by the crack, but there are clues elsewhere that something is wrong with history.

Maybe the ASH Cloud!

This might tie in with the 1st season episode Dalek. In that episode no one apart from the Doctor knew what the Daleks were despite it being 2012.

Leaving aside the notion of parallel universes for a moment, the question that last night raised for me is:

- Does only Amy not remember the Daleks, or does nobody remember the Daleks?

If it's only Amy then it reinforces the idea that there's something 'special' about her (which may be the case, but seeing as that was a large part of the previous full-time companion's story-arc I kind of hope not).

On the other hand if nobody remembers the Daleks then it suggests something much bigger; perhaps some sort of selective retrograde amnesia? Possibly linked to something that happened in TEOT with the Master/NotMaster events (RTD did say he would leave the slate totally clean for SM); possiblty linked to the crack (which may tie into the debate surrounding Rory's badge, assuming it's not just an error, as well as the new Tardis' inability to land on time when I don't remember the previous one having that problem, at least not as explicitly demonstrated), possibly neither.

I've only seen the episode once so far, so just a quick question: and myth or zero references; or any eye close-ups?

Amy doesnt remember the daleks because she is a wolf of fenric?
The crack follows her around because it is a crack in relaity that fenric is asserting his influence through?
Fenric = Hastur the unspeakable...'silence will fall'?
Fenric hoped to use ace as a weapon against mccoys doc, is he doing the same with amy pond?
Fenric has the ability to manipulate the timeline (silver nemesis). maybe that could explain the tardis tardiness, the advanced technology, amy not remembering the daleks?

Is this a actually a spoiler or a theory? I'll post my reply in spoiler tags in case.

While the laptops and camera phones certainly suggest it's circa 2010, supposedly (not checked it myself) all the Cars have registration numbers from the 1990's.

Also IIRC when set photo's of Leadworth were leaked people picked up on the fact that there was a newspaper stand giving the date as sometime in the 1990's.

The theory at the time was that this was for scenes with Young Amy but as all those scenes were just in her house/garden why did they dress the village green scene for the 1990's?



Even though the Reality Bomb would have affected all Universes it was only the Earth of the Whoverse that was moved across Space and invaded by Daleks.

So it could be possible that Amy is from a Universe where the Daleks have never been heard of.

Only trouble with the theory that all this series is in an alt universe is that we were told in RotC/AoS that the TARDIS could not work in another Universe.

could it tie in with torchwood , were was the doctor during children of earth ?

That's filthy

IF it is an alternate universe wouldn't the Doctor know, or at least the Tardis know? Maybe the crack is allowing the Tardis to travel to and from "Pete's World". IIRC isn't "Pete's World" a few years ahead of the normal universe. Maybe in "Pete's world" they have never encountered the Daleks only the Cybermen.

On the subject of the DOB issue, perhaps someone or something has altered the timeline in the past. It could be connected to the technology left behind in the Victory Of The Daleks episode creating an alternate future (think Back To The Future 2).

The Doctor keeps seriously misjudging the time as well. He arrived a month after Winston's call but he thought it was only minutes!

If the doctor has shifted in to a parrallel universe, the events of the 11th hour can take place in the 90's. This explains why Rory's badge says 1990, but the technology is clearly that of 2010: in this universe earth tech in the 1990s is as advanced as that of 2010 in this universe. This discrepency of timeline also explains why nobody has heard of the events of the stolen earth - they haven't happened before the 11th hour takes place.
It might also link in with the doctor always being late? I'm not sure about this theory, even as I'm fleshing it out. It doesn't necessarily fit with cracks in time appearing.

My guess is Amy missed the daleks because she was in the same prison as Zero and is being followed around by the crack which is somehow causing all the time dilation and anachronisms..

Unless everyone else has forgotten the daleks too..

Did the eye-in-the-sky aliens think that they'd got Zero or could it be her?

I've just been watching the episode again, and most of the "Old style" Daleks have union jack motifs, but the gold one has a funny key symbol (You can see it close up at about 20 minutes in if someone cleverer than me can get a screen shot). Just got me curious.

Might be nothing since the old style ones were destroyed, but if they were coming back in another episode it might be the key to the pandorical or something?