considering she'd lived outwith Scotland since she was a wee girl?
how could Amy identify Bracewell's accent as Paisley...
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Two reasons:
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.
Two reasons:
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.
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recognisability doesn't equal intelligibility. Paolo Nutini is from Paisley, I believe. What makes his accent so "recognisable"?
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.
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recognisability doesn't equal intelligibility. Paolo Nutini is from Paisley, I believe. What makes his accent so "recognisable"?
In the same way that I havent lived in Leicester for over 15 years but I can spot an east midlands drawl a mile off!
Although Amy lives in Leadworth, theres no reason to say she never visits Scotland - I would say its quite likely she would especially if she has other relatives there.
Originally Posted by muldran:
“Two reasons:
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.”
“Two reasons:
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.”
I'm from Paisley and I don't think there's a particular accent. I think you're referring to a West of Scotland accent.
As for "intelligible"... All Scottish accents are perfectly clear to me.
The Paisley reference is a Moffat in-joke.
Originally Posted by muldran:
“ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.”
“ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.”
I wouldn't recognise a Paisley accent.
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“It's a pattern
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“It's a pattern
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dont joke...thats actually what i thought she meant
If she'd heard a Paisley accent in her youth, and found it distinctive, chances are she'd recognise it if she heard it again.
I'm from Leeds, but haven't lived there for a number of years. I can still spot a Leeds accent when I hear it, either a west Leeds accent, or a south Leeds accent, which is very different, as well as a Bradford accent, which is distinctly different, while most southern folk can't distinguish even between a Yorkshire and Lancashire accent.
So I'm inclined to accept Amy recognising a Paisley accent, even if it's been a while since she last heard one.
I wonder how many viewers will write to the BBC complaining about Moffat trying to pass off a blatantly Partick accent as Paisley...
I'm from Leeds, but haven't lived there for a number of years. I can still spot a Leeds accent when I hear it, either a west Leeds accent, or a south Leeds accent, which is very different, as well as a Bradford accent, which is distinctly different, while most southern folk can't distinguish even between a Yorkshire and Lancashire accent.
So I'm inclined to accept Amy recognising a Paisley accent, even if it's been a while since she last heard one.
I wonder how many viewers will write to the BBC complaining about Moffat trying to pass off a blatantly Partick accent as Paisley...
fair comment. I'm perhaps a little sensitive to this specific angle, as I reckoned it implausible that Amy would retain her Scots accent after more than a decade away from the hameland. (Less plausible than cracks in time-space continuum, giant eyes in the sky, star-whales, Dalek soldiers, etc etc!)
She recognised it as Paisley because Moffat is a Paisley boy. If he'd *really* wanted to make the in-joke ring he'd have referred to him at some point as 'buddy' as well. I'm guessing there might be a Scottish joke/reference in every episode. Well, I'm hoping there is.
Originally Posted by itsabrahma:
“fair comment. I'm perhaps a little sensitive to this specific angle, as I reckoned it implausible that Amy would retain her Scots accent after more than a decade away from the hameland. (Less plausible than cracks in time-space continuum, giant eyes in the sky, star-whales, Dalek soldiers, etc etc!)”
“fair comment. I'm perhaps a little sensitive to this specific angle, as I reckoned it implausible that Amy would retain her Scots accent after more than a decade away from the hameland. (Less plausible than cracks in time-space continuum, giant eyes in the sky, star-whales, Dalek soldiers, etc etc!)”
I've lived in England more than 20 years and my accent hasn't really changed at all. I know children who've moved to England younger than Amelia did and also retained their accents. They're not so easy to lose as you might think.
Originally Posted by acanthe:
“I've lived in England more than 20 years and my accent hasn't really changed at all. I know children who've moved to England younger than Amelia did and also retained their accents. They're not so easy to lose as you might think.”
“I've lived in England more than 20 years and my accent hasn't really changed at all. I know children who've moved to England younger than Amelia did and also retained their accents. They're not so easy to lose as you might think.
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Indeed, whilst it took my sister, who was 13 at the time, about an hour to lose her Brummie accent when moving down south. Accents stay around for different times on different people.
Originally Posted by acanthe:
“I've lived in England more than 20 years and my accent hasn't really changed at all. I know children who've moved to England younger than Amelia did and also retained their accents. They're not so easy to lose as you might think.”
“I've lived in England more than 20 years and my accent hasn't really changed at all. I know children who've moved to England younger than Amelia did and also retained their accents. They're not so easy to lose as you might think.
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I've never lost my Leeds accent either, although my wife says it gets broader when I'm back up there talking to my family... but then her American accent comes back when she's talking to her friends, so I guess even when you retain your accent, it can still change.
Wonder how Amy would sound if Leadworth was on the outskirts of Glasgow...
Using a Welsh slant, I can tell a Kairdiff accent from a Jack accent (I'm a Jack) so I assume Scots find it just as easy.
Eve Myles played Gwynneth, a girl from a Cardiff family which later spawned Gwen Cooper, yet she has a Swansea valleys accent.
Eve Myles played Gwynneth, a girl from a Cardiff family which later spawned Gwen Cooper, yet she has a Swansea valleys accent.
Originally Posted by itsabrahma:
“Two reasons:
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.
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recognisability doesn't equal intelligibility. Paolo Nutini is from Paisley, I believe. What makes his accent so "recognisable"?”
“Two reasons:
i) She may have heard Paisley accents on the radio, TV, internet, etc.
ii) Because anyone with half a brain can recognise a Paisley accent; it's the most intelligible Scots accent out there.
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recognisability doesn't equal intelligibility. Paolo Nutini is from Paisley, I believe. What makes his accent so "recognisable"?”
I agree. I wouldn't know what Paisley accent is. To me, a scottish accent is just a scottish. Not the case of not having "half a brain"
Originally Posted by Dai13371:
“Using a Welsh slant, I can tell a Kairdiff accent from a Jack accent (I'm a Jack) so I assume Scots find it just as easy.
Eve Myles played Gwynneth, a girl from a Cardiff family which later spawned Gwen Cooper, yet she has a Swansea valleys accent.”
“Using a Welsh slant, I can tell a Kairdiff accent from a Jack accent (I'm a Jack) so I assume Scots find it just as easy.
Eve Myles played Gwynneth, a girl from a Cardiff family which later spawned Gwen Cooper, yet she has a Swansea valleys accent.”
Is a Jack accent a Swansea accent? Excuse my ignorance, but all Welsh accents sound the same to me, except on the north coast where the locals seem to speak like Scousers.
Returning to Amy's Scottish accent, although it's feasible that she could have retained it since the age of seven, I believe it may be another symptom of whatever temporal disturbance is happening in Leadworth.
Originally Posted by Magpie2467:
“If she'd heard a Paisley accent in her youth, and found it distinctive, chances are she'd recognise it if she heard it again.
I'm from Leeds, but haven't lived there for a number of years. I can still spot a Leeds accent when I hear it, either a west Leeds accent, or a south Leeds accent, which is very different, as well as a Bradford accent, which is distinctly different, while most southern folk can't distinguish even between a Yorkshire and Lancashire accent.
So I'm inclined to accept Amy recognising a Paisley accent, even if it's been a while since she last heard one.
I wonder how many viewers will write to the BBC complaining about Moffat trying to pass off a blatantly Partick accent as Paisley...”
“If she'd heard a Paisley accent in her youth, and found it distinctive, chances are she'd recognise it if she heard it again.
I'm from Leeds, but haven't lived there for a number of years. I can still spot a Leeds accent when I hear it, either a west Leeds accent, or a south Leeds accent, which is very different, as well as a Bradford accent, which is distinctly different, while most southern folk can't distinguish even between a Yorkshire and Lancashire accent.
So I'm inclined to accept Amy recognising a Paisley accent, even if it's been a while since she last heard one.
I wonder how many viewers will write to the BBC complaining about Moffat trying to pass off a blatantly Partick accent as Paisley...”
I agree... after spending my University years in Sunderland I'm now able to tell the difference between a Sunderland accent, A Newcastle accent and a Middlesbrough Accent, but to most outside the region they just hear "Geordie"
Originally Posted by itsabrahma:
“fair comment. I'm perhaps a little sensitive to this specific angle, as I reckoned it implausible that Amy would retain her Scots accent after more than a decade away from the hameland. (Less plausible than cracks in time-space continuum, giant eyes in the sky, star-whales, Dalek soldiers, etc etc!)”
“fair comment. I'm perhaps a little sensitive to this specific angle, as I reckoned it implausible that Amy would retain her Scots accent after more than a decade away from the hameland. (Less plausible than cracks in time-space continuum, giant eyes in the sky, star-whales, Dalek soldiers, etc etc!)”
My dad moved to England from Jamaica in 1960 (50 years ago!) and despite living in rural Yorkshire away from a Caribbean community, he still has his Jamaican accent!
Originally Posted by Dai13371:
“Using a Welsh slant, I can tell a Kairdiff accent from a Jack accent (I'm a Jack) so I assume Scots find it just as easy.
Eve Myles played Gwynneth, a girl from a Cardiff family which later spawned Gwen Cooper, yet she has a Swansea valleys accent.”
“Using a Welsh slant, I can tell a Kairdiff accent from a Jack accent (I'm a Jack) so I assume Scots find it just as easy.
Eve Myles played Gwynneth, a girl from a Cardiff family which later spawned Gwen Cooper, yet she has a Swansea valleys accent.”
You can definitely tell Cardiff from other places in Glamorgan. It's how you say a in words. My accent is close coming from along the coast but the valleys and West Glam are very different - much lovelier and lyrical. Mind you GDL is from Newport and I love his voice. You can also tell a Welsh person from certain words used and use of 'yere' for here and ear and year. Things like daps as well. I was amused to see pumps/trainers/converses called daps by DT in the Sontaran episode. I bet a Welshman wrote it.
Eve's accent is too Welsh for Cardiff just as Stacey/Bryn/Nessa are too Welsh for Barry and I should know that accent which is very influenced by the English as Barry is full of incomers after 1885ish when they began building the docks
Originally Posted by GerriP:
“I agree... after spending my University years in Sunderland I'm now able to tell the difference between a Sunderland accent, A Newcastle accent and a Middlesbrough Accent, but to most outside the region they just hear "Geordie"”
“I agree... after spending my University years in Sunderland I'm now able to tell the difference between a Sunderland accent, A Newcastle accent and a Middlesbrough Accent, but to most outside the region they just hear "Geordie"”
You just saved me the job of posting similar.
Yorkshire accents always get me even though there are different variations for the different areas.
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