"I was taught by the best, shame you weren't around that day"

hmmmm

who's better at piloting the TARDIS than the Doctor

Just about everyone, it appears!

When seniors fail their driving test they tell them, "Now, now, love. Don't fret. You can still pilot a TARDIS"

You're right. I'm sure btw that it was "a" doctor who taught her and she was just winding him up.

That's really interesting... didn't know that.

As others have already mentioned, I also cannot see River Song being a Timelord (or lady) - the Doctor would recognize her as such.

My current guess is she turns out to be a 51st century type of Indy Jones dabbling in some time-travel (similar to good ol' Jack) in her archaeological research and being saved by the Doctor. Perhaps some Gallifreyan experience, who knows. There was this thing with his name written across the Medusa Cascade, after all. Perhaps she's been around there.

And yes, I think some other Timelord taught her to fly the TARDIS. And she's not the Doctor's future wife, that would be way too easy/obvious .... I just think HE is worried she might be .

If you go with the idea that each time RS and the Doctor meet that she is younger and he is older, then she must have been taught how to fly the Tardis when she was younger than 'now' and the Doctor older i.e. some time in the Doctor's future.

Logically, it was either the Doctor, and she is just joking that it wasn't him, or some other Timelord did it. If the latter, then that proves there is at least one other Time Lord extant in the Doctor's future, which is interesting in itself, as currently there are none, if I understood EoT, which I'm not sure that I did.

If I was the Doctor, and thought she was even half-serious about there being another Tardis-flying Time Lord around in the future, I think I would squeeze it out of her, spoilers or no. I think she was just winding him up, deflating his ego.

Well it's pretty much a given that some Time Lord will appear again at some time, but you don't have to be a Time Lord to pilot the TARDIS. It's conceivable that a skilled human taught her, or that she just read the instruction manual and the Doctor never bothered.

There's no guarantee, by the way, that she meets him in reverse order for her, apart from the meeting in the library.

i think people are reading far too much into rivers comments about being taught how to fly the TARDIS, she was taking him down a peg or two!!

is it possible that river could be another rogue Time Agent ala Jack? explains the time travel without being a time lord n of the two time agents we've met (well, jack at first anyway) they arent exactly straight laced and honest are they?

Was it ever explained in TEH how the sonic screwdriver ended up in the room that Prisoner Zero had been hiding in, melted to the desk? I don't think Amy ever told him it was there.

It's certainly possible that she's a time agent, but I think that's too easy. It also would create a connection to Jack (real or fan imagination) that might be inconvenient. If they reveal she's a time agent then for the next few years the boards are full of:

1. What's her connection to Jack?
2. When are they going to meet up?
3. Were she and Jack a couple?
4. Was she involved in the two missing years?

I would imagine that with RTD in charge of SJA and (potentially) Torchwood, and Moffat in charge of Who, the way they'll co-operate is that they're free to use each others characters in their shows, but not in a way that changes them or their history. I think it's just easier all around for River Song to not be a time agent. I'm pretty sure Moff has something more interesting in mind.

well it wouldnt be the first time characters have crossed over. just because they were both time agents (in my suggestion anyway lol) doesnt mean they would know each other jack hasnt been in the 51st century for a wee while now so i doubt he would know EVERY time agent who ever worked there, do you know every employee who ever worked where you work? so why would the time agency be any different? plus jack hasnt seen the Doc (apart from in the bar at the end of the last two specials) since the end of series 3 so why would he mention RS when clearly the doc hadnt met her then

If River is a Time Agent I'm guessing she's one of the seven who survived the destruction of the Agency so even if Jack doesn't know her John certainly does.

Personally I don't think she is/was a TA, she doesn't use an alias with the initials J and H for one thing.

Yep, Jack wasn't in series 4 at all was he?

He was indeed in Series 4 - in the finale.

didnt it roll under the door after she smacked him over the head?

It rolled under the door when Amy "Cricketed" (if you can say Sonic'd you can say Cricketed) the Doctor. Prisoner Zero must have then picked it up with it's mouth (hence all the icky stuff on it) and put it on the table.


In my world and your world but not apparently in discodolly25's world.

The whole River Song thing is very wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
For example, in SITL/FOTD, she told him about opening the Tardis door with a click of his fingers ... which he did at the end of FOTD, and has done since.
So that means he started doing that because she told him about it ... and if she knew about it from seeing him do it in another of their meetings, which would be later in his timeline, then she basically saw him do something which he only knew about because she would go on to tell him about it in her future (his past).

A bit like 10 knowing how to tell 5 what to do in Time Crash because he remembered doing it - "wibbly wobbly timey wimey"

So if the Doctor taught River how to fly the Tardis, will he now start using the Blue Stabilisers? Which she told him about? Which she must have learnt about from him, but which he only knew about from her?

Confused!!

Yes, I believe this was explained by the screwdriver rolling under the door. The bigger question is....

Amy spots a room that she has never seen before in her house. The Doctor asks where the key is, and Amy replies that she lost it. How can you lose a key for a room you don't know you have????

sorry!!! i forgot about season four anyway he never mentioned RS on screen so there and wheres the evidence your initials have to be JH to have been a time agent

Yay my initials are JH- I think I shall enroll right now

It's the key to the Handcuffs she is talking about, the Doctor asks her to unlock them and she says she lost the key.

He meant the key to the handcuffs. edit- sorry didn't see above post

ah, i see, had my little daft moment there- quite suprised I remembered something so trivial though, I havent watched TRH since the week it aired

Just to ask - is there anything to suggest that River Song is a time traveller?

After all, the Doctor has met her on both occasions in the 51st century. It could be that there's only a ten year gap between The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead in respect of River. The Doctor is moving along River's timeline, but I can't think of anything which is suggesting that River herself is moving through time?

EDIT: I forgot about the TARDIS - but that meant she was taught by someone, possibly by the Doctor to preserve his own timeline. There's no suggestion IIRC that she's moving through time on her own.

I'm not saying he would have to know her. What I'm saying is I don't particularly want to read 20 years of moronic posts asking about it, speculating about it, and obsessing about it. Which is what happens with everything that isn't wrapped up in a tidy little bow.

Notice that nothing in my post suggested for a minute that he'd have to know her. It referred specifically to the sort of speculation it would cause on the boards. Your reply nicely illustrates my point.