Having just been an observer of the forums, I've been digesting peoples opinions of the series so far.
One thing that is springing to mind though is Amy's lack of memory about the Daleks. She should have remembered them. If she had missed them then the rest of Leadworth/UK media would have been talking about it too.
There are people suggesting that Rory's badge in The Eleventh Hour shows that the episode was set before the Daleks stole the Earth.
However, it would be very difficult for the writers to set future episodes on Earth, as people would be more aware of Alien Life thanks to the experience of the Daleks in The Stolen Earth. It was a global occurrance. If it had happened to a local community it could simply be a local story, and would be rubbished by the rest of the world.
Could Stephen Moffet's arc simply be an effort to wipe the memory of the Daleks from the human race, as part of his overall 'blank slate' approach with Series 5?

(Sorry for rambling)
Last edited by ndf100 : 25-04-2010 at 22:29

Good idea.... kind of. Some of it doesn't make sense, but good theory.

I'm hoping the government have retconned the water or something.

It takes away the mystery and exclusivity when everyone knows that there are aliens out there - and everyone knows who The Doctor is.

Retcon was only used by Torchwood. And no-one knows who the Doctor is.

Okay, it wasn't worded the best. The basis of the post was that Stephen Moffet is using a story arc rid the memories of the Daleks from the human race, to create a clean slate for series 5. It would be easier to write stories that way.

I think that the Eleventh Hour could be set in the past, this arguement hinges on Rory's badge, but I also think that it could be the present day and someone has wiped their memories (Bramwell from the Victory of the Daleks, for example.)

Does that help?

I think that because the Timelords Returned and then vanished again, it messed up the time vortex.

How come this series, we haven't seen the time vortex?

i agree with this. RTD really pissed me off for that reason alone! those big earth invasions were so dire aswell.

and i also thought the daleks were not supposed to invade earth till the 22nd century, its just ruined that whole story for me!

I hope they do come back to this. I'm sure they will. If they don't it will very much feel like they didn't want Amy to know the Daleks so made her forget... conviently.

Out of all the things to ruin the story for you...that did? Come on, where does it say that now the Stolen Earth/Journey's end events happening means that the Daleks invasion of Earth cannot happen? In a way that has already happend in the Doctor's timeline, and was even acknowledged by the Tenth Doctor in Stolen Earth....what more evidence to do you need. There is nothing to stop the Daleks that will be invading the future, only because of what happend in series 4....the latter were post-time war...the former were pre-time war.


And why does it seem like a case of RTD era not allowed to contradict Clasic Who but the Moffat era is allowed to erase stuff of the RTD era?

Persoanly I don't necessarily think that Moff is trying to erase the events of JE as a blank slate thing....I think its just an arc about time lines going funny for some reason...so very likely that either by the end, or if its a two series arc than we will have that memory stored back...and for all we know it could well be just Amy who has forgotton....we don't know yet. Another thing is that the village of Leadworth were not that freaked out by a big eye hanging over their skies.....comapred to the way people reacted in TEOT when they saw Gallifrey.....and the fact that Amy seems quite laid back with all this Time Travelling and alien malarky....maybe there is something seriously playing with timelines...

Actually, the time vortex looks very different in the titles doesn't it? It seems smokier/cloudier and the lightning strikes that occur too...I wonder whether than could be a hint at anything.

Its weird, because we haven't seen any of Amy's family at all.

We saw Rose's, Martha's and Donna's in their opening episodes so for her to have seen none 4 episodes in, is strange.

Maybe she is connected to the crack somehow.

Didn't someone on here say that one of the lightning strikes on the tardis is the same shape as the crack? Maybe the lightning strikes are purposeful to show something's going weird with the tardis.

I'm probably against the majority of this thread then in that I hate the idea that you can have Daleks, Cybermen and whatever else running around modern day Earth and not have the general population notice, or come up with some bs explanation at the end of the episode
"It was a hoax...put down to mass hallucination, etc"

No, the Doctor Who universe isn't the real world, for a start it has a time travelling spaceship and alien as a central character, so there's no point in pretending it is our world.

I liked the fact the population of Earth became gradually more aware of extraterrestrials.

Except Donna

And Amy, apparently...

Thread title sounds like a 60's pop group.

Jimmy Saville- "Now then, now then" (rattle jewellery) "Guys & gals, at number 3 in the pop parade it's Amy and the Daleks, Woooh!"...

Amy has no family apart from an aunt she never liked and who was presumably dead since she was still living in her house.

What I find interesting about the forgetting of the Dalek invasion is how many important things are dependent on it having happened -

Donna's memory loss and having to leave the Doctor
Adelaide's encounter as a child, inspiring her to lead the expedition to Mars and her granddaughter to interstellar flight.
Creation of the human Doctor (keeping Rose away is VERY important. )
Mickey's return from the other universe and marriage to Martha
Thousands/millions of people who should be dead and now aren't.

Arguably without that invasion, Donna would have never left the Doctor, Good Queen Bess would still be a virgin, the destruction of Bowie 1 wouldn't have been a fixed point in time, he wouldn't have gone on that last hurrah before returning to the Oodsphere and the regeneration wouldn't have happened.

I'm with you 100%. I don't mind some things being mass hallucinations, like everyone turning into the Master, but when thousands die, you can't retcon it.

And as the Moff said, you can't advertise a series finale as "Now smaller than ever."

The aunt is going to turn up later on.

And if her Aunt had balls she'd be her Uncle!

The regeneration would only have been avoided because he still had the hand (the Master race incident would still have happened). Thus, he would've had the fake regen instead. And since Donna would probably still be around, the clone would still be created, so the Doctor-Donna thing happens anyway, he'd still have to wipe her mind and leave her behind.

Thanks EG, that gave me a laugh.....

...with their latest song 'Blank Slate'!


I think it was all UNIT's doing. They are the inventors of the Forget Button.

It actually needed a blast (in this case Davros' hand) to start it, so it doesn't happen till then by which time the Doctor could have easily found a solution that doesnt result in a memory swipe.

Can't it be that those Daleks from VOTD have gone back to wipe out all "impure" Daleks therefore, somewhere along the timeline the RTD Daleks have been wiped out therefore, the events of Doomsday and there after, would not have happened.

Sorry if this has already been suggested somewhere

She has no family aside from her aunt, and not everyone is that attached to their family anyway. But I do think she's connected to the crack.

Which is interesting because in the first ep she says her mum creates the smiley faces on the apples for her, to stop her being afraid....

Who is creating the smiley faces on apples for her if her mum is dead?