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What was the revelation?
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Mansun
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by BaileyBigIdiot:
“Steven Moffat said in an interview that their would be a massive revelation in the Victory of the Daleks but you would have to watch it back to get it, does anyone know what it was?

Sorry if it was really obvious and i never got it or if there is already a thread about it.”

Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Moffat said this about The Beast Below, not Victory of the Daleks, but I am still clueless as to what this revelation is. ”

No, he said in DWM that it would be in episode 3.

It wasn't that you'd have to watch it back because you wouldn't get it the first time, what he said was that it was "so shocking you'll want to rewind immediately" and watch again. I presume he was talking about Amy not knowing the Daleks.
HandsomeBB
27-04-2010
SM's 'production notes' quote in Feb's DWM discussing VOTD was :

"I remember watching the rushes and there was this bit I just kept rewinding and watching and watching and watching. And so will you ! "

So perhaps the rewind bit is just some great acting. Jammie Dodger ? Dorabella ?

As for a revelation the Dorabella speech is what I took the most from. There seems to be more than one clue there regards Amelia Pond.

Also notice the A.R.P. warden's helmet on the roof. It's missing an A&P
SM76
27-04-2010
the daleks told the Dr to call of the attack or they would destroy the earth

Doctor "saves" the daleks and calls of the attack allowing them to escape

He then rushes back to earth to smack Bracewell and tell him he is human and not a bomb

Why did the doctor allow the daleks to escape when he seems to have know they are evil and they would destroy the earth anyway
TwEeD.NK
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by SM76:
“Why did the doctor allow the daleks to escape when he seems to have know they are evil and they would destroy the earth anyway”

The same reason why he didn't pull the lever on the Deltawave in "The Parting Of the Ways"
SM76
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by TwEeD.NK:
“The same reason why he didn't pull the lever on the Deltawave in "The Parting Of the Ways"”

which is?
Shrike
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“...Also notice the A.R.P. warden's helmet on the roof. It's missing an A&P”

This was covered in another thread - which I cant find now
But apparently "R" means rescue. In fact if you use google images for Warden Hodges off Dads army you'll see he only has a "W" on his helmet (which I didnt realise!).
davrosdodebird
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by SM76:
“Why did the doctor allow the daleks to escape when he seems to have know they are evil and they would destroy the earth anyway”

Because if he stayed on the ship, they would destroy earth. If he returned to earth, they would destroy the earth, but he woulld be able to stop them. No choice really
pawprint
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“This was covered in another thread - which I cant find now
But apparently "R" means rescue. In fact if you use google images for Warden Hodges off Dads army you'll see he only has a "W" on his helmet (which I didnt realise!).”

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...925&highlight=

pawprint
27-04-2010
nudge
Corwin
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Mansun:
“No, he said in DWM that it would be in episode 3.

It wasn't that you'd have to watch it back because you wouldn't get it the first time, what he said was that it was "so shocking you'll want to rewind immediately" and watch again. I presume he was talking about Amy not knowing the Daleks.”

If that's what he actually said then (as I said I never read the original statement, just what others had said it was) I agree it has to be Amy not knowing about the Daleks.

Still think it's somewhat significant that the crack does not appear till Amy leaves the Time period though.
Martyjp
27-04-2010
Could very well be that we wont realise what it was until after the final episode of the series, then watch it back and go "ahhhhh"
Benjolex
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“Thinking back the only thing that jumped out at the time is when Amy is 'comforting' Dalek robot bomb guy when he is coming to terms with being a robot, just after he has his hand shot off, she says 'I know how you feel'.

Or something like that, maybe Ive remembered it wrong and out of context and more than likely it has nothing to do with nothing”

Yes, I remember saying that and it struck me at the time as an odd thing to say, since presumably she's not gojng to suddenly discover that she's an alien created robot! Or is she? I did wonder if it meant that she knows or senses that she is not all she appears to be. Of course it may just refer to having to hide from her more respectable neighbours the fact that she's a Kissogram.
TwEeD.NK
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by SM76:
“which is?”

He can't sacrifice the whole Earth for sake of destroying the Daleks. He did sacrifice the Time Lord for sake of destroying the Daleks but that was because of what they were planning (The end of time itself) and even that left him very scarred

Quote:
“Emperor Dalek: Then prove yourself, Doctor. What are you? Coward? Or killer?
The Doctor: Coward. Any day.”

Ja88ed
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Still think it's somewhat significant that the crack does not appear till Amy leaves the Time period though.”

I think the crack was just hidden behind the Tardis.


The crack is where different periods of time are being pushed together. In Amy's case thats 1990 and 2010 which is why she doesn't remember the Daleks. Its also why the Doctor has difficulty landing at the right point in time anywhere along the crack. Not helped by his poor driving but mainly the crack
Corwin
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Ja88ed:
“I think the crack was just hidden behind the Tardis.

”

But it wasn't that's my point.

When the Doctor goes to the Dalek ship the crack is not in the wall.

So it only appears at some point after that and the most likely time is as the TARDIS is leaving.
johnnysaucepn
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“But it wasn't that's my point.

When the Doctor goes to the Dalek ship the crack is not in the wall.

So it only appears at some point after that and the most likely time is as the TARDIS is leaving.”

I thought those shots were taken from different angles? Can anyone confirm?
Corwin
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“I thought those shots were taken from different angles? Can anyone confirm?”

When the TARDIS disapears we are looking at Amy and Churchill who therefore are looking at the Wall.

I can't recalll either of them commenting on a big scary crack in the wall can you?
Hot Dogg
27-04-2010
I'd guess it was the whole "Never seen or heard of the Daleks" thing. Somehow the time-line is cocked up or they're in an alternative universe.
BibaNova
27-04-2010
The cracks in the universe are following Amy, is she the cause? Does she belong to a different dimension where no Daleks exist?
johnnysaucepn
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“When the TARDIS disapears we are looking at Amy and Churchill who therefore are looking at the Wall.

I can't recalll either of them commenting on a big scary crack in the wall can you?”

That doesn't mean they would have noticed it - I assume it doesn't glow all the time. Are we sure that the Doc parked in the same place second time around?
discodolly25
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“If that's what he actually said then (as I said I never read the original statement, just what others had said it was) I agree it has to be Amy not knowing about the Daleks.

Still think it's somewhat significant that the crack does not appear till Amy leaves the Time period though.”

if you go back to the first ep the crack was already there before the doctor appeared to young amy, so unless she time travelled before they met it seems highly unlikely that Amy is the cause of the cracks
SM76
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by TwEeD.NK:
“He can't sacrifice the whole Earth for sake of destroying the Daleks. He did sacrifice the Time Lord for sake of destroying the Daleks but that was because of what they were planning (The end of time itself) and even that left him very scarred”



But the daleks were off to destroy the earth either way and he knew this. So he wasn't sacrificing the earth, as he still had time to race back to Bracewell regardless of if the daleks lived or died. (as he proved by letting the daleks go and still saving earth)

He knew whatever he did the daleks would activate Bracewell so his choice was save the earth and kill the daleks or save the earth and kill the daleks. Whatever he choice the earth's fate was the same
TerraCanis
27-04-2010
Originally Posted by 11's Bow Tie:
“If its The Beast Below, there is a reproduction of the Queen Vic from Eastenders on the Starship UK and Eastenders is a TV show in the Doctor Who Universe as seen in Army of Ghosts and is therefor fictional, so the revelation is that "Dimensions in Time" is canon and Ledworth is in fact the Land of Fiction from "The Mind Robber". ()”

There are a few other aspects to the episodes shown so far that would point toward something along those lines.
dazzlingdawn
27-04-2010
The fact that no one really has a clue has kind of defeated the object then really I guess. Hopefully all will be revealed at some point!!!
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