I loved the episode and the 2 parter...I just hated the last scene, cringe worthy, I was hoping maybe it'd be explained away by her having some sort of alien infection that put her in heat, but alas, no. At least the Doctor picks up Rory next week to try and detract Amy from vying for his own affections
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Series 1/5/31/Fnarg Episode 5- Flesh and Stone Discussion Thread
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Originally Posted by Glorfindel:
“
So...does River kill the Doc then? Wonder if that 'spoiler' is in her diary...”
“
So...does River kill the Doc then? Wonder if that 'spoiler' is in her diary...”
I just got an image of her diary being filled with pages of scribbles of "I KILLED THE DOCTOR!" - imagine if Eleven found that before he died.
Originally Posted by Gumshoe:
“What a genius Moffat is.
RTD must be crying right now. He's literally being written out of history. Good riddance.”
“What a genius Moffat is.
RTD must be crying right now. He's literally being written out of history. Good riddance.
”
Yeah haha, no one enjoyed Doctor Who back then /sarcasm
That last scene was cringeworthy. This is what I hate about Steven Moffat's writing - he always includes some crap romance. Amy's engaged - that last scene turned her into a cheating slapper 
Moffat can't write women to save his life!
Moffat can't write women to save his life!
Originally Posted by Lizzehftw:
“Hang on a minute... I just found a plothole.
In Blink, the original episode with the Angels, the Doctor said that whenever they're looked at, they automatically turn to stone, which means they're not stone when they're able to move.
So how in the name of the Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe (or Raxacoricafallapotorious if you prefer
) was that Angel this week moving while it was stone...?
It's not as if the two episodes were written by different people, Moffat! If the people who make this stuff up can't keep it straight, then I daresay we're all doomed. 
”
“Hang on a minute... I just found a plothole.
In Blink, the original episode with the Angels, the Doctor said that whenever they're looked at, they automatically turn to stone, which means they're not stone when they're able to move.
So how in the name of the Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe (or Raxacoricafallapotorious if you prefer
) was that Angel this week moving while it was stone...?It's not as if the two episodes were written by different people, Moffat! If the people who make this stuff up can't keep it straight, then I daresay we're all doomed.
”
But it wasn't stone, was it? It couldn't have been as stone can't move. It just looked like stone.
Originally Posted by googleking:
“If only Amy's crack could cause everything he ever did to be completely unwritten in time and forgotten, huh.”
“If only Amy's crack could cause everything he ever did to be completely unwritten in time and forgotten, huh.”
i totally mis read that
So River would only know what she told the Doctor, when he dies???
So River doesn't marry him she kills him.
So River doesn't marry him she kills him.
What was the music during that last bit in confidential? Where she was going around the angels and had to fall onto the mat.
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“What was the music during that last bit in confidential? Where she was going around the angels and had to fall onto the mat.”
“What was the music during that last bit in confidential? Where she was going around the angels and had to fall onto the mat.”
A Forest by The Cure.
Originally Posted by Gazoaks76:
“So River would only know what she told the Doctor, when he dies???
So River doesn't marry him she kills him.”
“So River would only know what she told the Doctor, when he dies???
So River doesn't marry him she kills him.”
Does that mean Octavian knows the Doctor as well? He seemed to know the 'good man'.
Originally Posted by Gumshoe:
“What a genius Moffat is.
RTD must be crying right now. He's literally being written out of history. Good riddance.”
“What a genius Moffat is.
RTD must be crying right now. He's literally being written out of history. Good riddance.
”
Actually he's being written back into history - because of the crack the Earth has never been attacked, it's history has be rewritten. The Doctor is hoping to bring back this hostory. He's unsure how, though, so is banking on needing to save Amy and Rory's relationship.
My theory is that he's on the wrong path, and really he must break them up. Simply sleeping with Amy would've sealded the crack (which is unusual; in sex the...no, won't go there
).
Originally Posted by choc-a-bloc:
“I just got an image of her diary being filled with pages of scribbles of "I KILLED THE DOCTOR!" - imagine if Eleven found that before he died. ”
“I just got an image of her diary being filled with pages of scribbles of "I KILLED THE DOCTOR!" - imagine if Eleven found that before he died.
”
'February 12th 2084
Dear diary,
Today I killed the Doctor. As always, handcuffs were involved.
Love and kisses, River'
What I really don't like about this Doctor is the way he's always telling people to shush or shouting at people when in previous incarnations he'd be sympathetic
Telling Amy to shutup when she was fearing for her life was not pleasant and something else that alienates me from enjoying this new Doctor all the time..
I imagine they're taking it somewhere...
Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay
Telling Amy to shutup when she was fearing for her life was not pleasant and something else that alienates me from enjoying this new Doctor all the time..
I imagine they're taking it somewhere...
Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay
Originally Posted by codename_47:
“What I really don't like about this Doctor is the way he's always telling people to shush or shouting at people when in previous incarnations he'd be sympathetic
Telling Amy to shutup when she was fearing for her life was not pleasant and something else that alienates me from enjoying this new Doctor all the time..
I imagine they're taking it somewhere...
Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay”
“What I really don't like about this Doctor is the way he's always telling people to shush or shouting at people when in previous incarnations he'd be sympathetic
Telling Amy to shutup when she was fearing for her life was not pleasant and something else that alienates me from enjoying this new Doctor all the time..
I imagine they're taking it somewhere...
Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay
”
I can certainly remember Nine and Ten telling companions etc. to shut up at times - especially Ten.
I think when you're 907 there isn't anything you haven't tried, including sleeping with the same sex, so calling the Doctor 'gay' doesn't really fit.
I hated the final scene because it utterly robbed Amy of her dignity. She has all this potential to be AWESOME and the writers aren't tapping into it. They're all men and I think they don't know how to write female characters except by tying them somehow to their 'love' for a man. It's really depressing.
I hated the final scene because it utterly robbed Amy of her dignity. She has all this potential to be AWESOME and the writers aren't tapping into it. They're all men and I think they don't know how to write female characters except by tying them somehow to their 'love' for a man. It's really depressing.
Originally Posted by codename_47:
“Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay”
“Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay
”
I would absolutely LOVE that
Originally Posted by Glorfindel:
“'February 12th 2084
Dear diary,
Today I killed the Doctor. As always, handcuffs were involved.
Love and kisses, River'”
“'February 12th 2084
Dear diary,
Today I killed the Doctor. As always, handcuffs were involved.
Love and kisses, River'”
LOL
Originally Posted by Elphie_Lives:
“She's a young girl that wanted a bit of fun before she got married, and who better than her first crush? (And I'm sure most people would jump at the chance to shag their first crush.)
I don't want a romance between them but its clear it was a bit mocking of the romance previous.”
“She's a young girl that wanted a bit of fun before she got married, and who better than her first crush? (And I'm sure most people would jump at the chance to shag their first crush.)
I don't want a romance between them but its clear it was a bit mocking of the romance previous.”
Plus that whole post traumatic stress thing... nothing like KNOWING you're about to die to make you take risks you otherwise wouldn't.
And yes, that's something I think a lot of people are missing, the Doctor's reaction was definitely that of a man a) who wasn't interested (BARROWMAN! *fist shake*) and b) had suddenly worked out he was kinda overlooking something about humans again and set off to sort it out ASA-bloody-P. It's addressing an obvious situation and lets Moffat deal and move on while delivering a funny scene, a good bit of motivation to keep the story moving after finding out about the crack in the first third (ish) of the series AND delivers a good bit of fan service at the same time. Well played sir, well played.
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