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Results:What did you think of the episode?
Excellent
477 (70.04%)
Good
148 (21.73%)
Average
31 (4.55%)
Poor
13 (1.91%)
Awful
12 (1.76%)
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Series 1/5/31/Fnarg Episode 5- Flesh and Stone Discussion Thread
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Fayecorgasm
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by TCD1975:
“How long does it usually take for the poll to pop up after an episode has transmitted?”

its usually there before and about 20 people have voted terrible
Elanor
01-05-2010
I liked the episode, but not as much as last week's. And I really didn't like the last scene, it seemed very out of character for Amy, after building up a nice brother-sistery-pally relationship with the Doctor.
Dave-H
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by googleking:
“If only Amy's crack could cause everything he ever did to be completely unwritten in time and forgotten, huh.”

Originally Posted by garbage456:
“ i totally mis read that”

Ooh Matron!
garbage456
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by codename_47:
“What I really don't like about this Doctor is the way he's always telling people to shush or shouting at people when in previous incarnations he'd be sympathetic

Telling Amy to shutup when she was fearing for her life was not pleasant and something else that alienates me from enjoying this new Doctor all the time..

I imagine they're taking it somewhere...

Also if he turned down Amy he must be gay so maybe moffat's agenda has been realise, he's doing the one thing previous execs wouldn't dare, making the Doctor gay ”

er, the doctor going mad has been done before as he is coming out of a regeneration.

the doctor was getting stressed and wanted her to move and he said you are not moving, you must move.

doctor gay, i think you find that RTD did make the doctor a bi sexual if you watch the CE and DT episodes again.

previous execs remember loved all the gay references which hopefully are starting to disappear now.
Corwin
01-05-2010
A good episode but like with most DW 2 parters Time of Angels was better.

Originally Posted by Two9A:
“Yeah, I'm not looking forward to next week.

It seems that every series even vaguely associated with scifi needs to do something with vampires nowadays. We've already got three vampire-based series on TV, why does Who need to be infected by this trend?”

As said by others DW has had Vampires in it before. State of Decay, Curse of Fenric and even Smith and Jones.

Originally Posted by Two9A:
“And, of course, the Pandorica is in River Song's past (but the Doctor's future); who's guessing she'll turn up at the end?”

Looks like the crack to the end of the Universe has little to do with the Pandorica opening as River had no knowledge of the crack in this story.
Ash_735
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by codename_47:
“What I really don't like about this Doctor is the way he's always telling people to shush or shouting at people when in previous incarnations he'd be sympathetic”

I take it someone here hasn't seen the ass kicking angry son of a bitch Sixth Doctor then!
Ethereal_Dusky
01-05-2010
Do you think the whole 'kissing Doctor' thing would change Amy/Doctor's friendship like Amy feeling embarrassed and him feeling wary of her waiting for her to pounce again

In the next episode though, they seemed ok though.
Evenstar
01-05-2010
I really enjoyed the episode tonight - I found Amy counting down and not realising the creepiest bit!

And I HATED the last scene, WTF. I love romance in Doctor Who too, but it has to be genuine affection - she just looked like a loose slapper. She could have been a great character but they're throwing her to the pigs at the moment
ollie501
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by Glorfindel:
“'February 12th 2084

Dear diary,

Today I killed the Doctor. As always, handcuffs were involved.

Love and kisses, River'”

It's the handcuffs thing that makes me wonder if

Spoiler
Amy and River are the same person. It would account for why they hadn't "met" yet in Rivers first story, not to mention that the handcuffs were used by Amy when she locked against the radiator in the first episode.


It's also conceivable that if time itself is being interfered with or corrupted, courtesy of the crack in time, that Rory's badge date is tied in with the Amy not remembering Daleks etc.. Not quite sure how the lack of ducks on a pond is relevant though. All in all, a damn good episode, and Matt Smith is positively brilliant as the Doc.
steven87gill
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“Best episode ever? Quite possibly..

Including the scene at the end which was very amusing I must say!

Daily Fail fail again! ”

Best episode yet, loved the tie in with The Next Doctor and how no one remembered the giant Cyberman. So the reason the duck pond has no ducks in it is because they ceased to exist.

And What about Amy going all horny at the end Naughty Pond!

Yet more of Stephen Moffat's Shameful, blatant, frankly .sickening. straight agenda
scowler
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by Lizzehftw:
“Hang on a minute... I just found a plothole.

In Blink, the original episode with the Angels, the Doctor said that whenever they're looked at, they automatically turn to stone, which means they're not stone when they're able to move.

So how in the name of the Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe (or Raxacoricafallapotorious if you prefer ) was that Angel this week moving while it was stone...?

It's not as if the two episodes were written by different people, Moffat! If the people who make this stuff up can't keep it straight, then I daresay we're all doomed. ”

Exactly, these two episodes have completely ruined the original concept of the Weeping Angels.

Heres how Wiki describes them, based on their explaination in Blink:

Their physiology is quantum-locked, so that they only occupy a single position in space when seen by an observer (see Copenhagen interpretation). When they are not observed they become a "quantum wave form" that occupies many positions in space. Therefore, they cannot move while observed, but can move extremely quickly when unseen.

They don't 'turn to stone' on purpose to be sneaky, they literally cannot move when an observer in present.

Terrible pair of episodes and a terrible series so far.
zounds
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“What was the music during that last bit in confidential? Where she was going around the angels and had to fall onto the mat.”

Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“A Forest by The Cure.”

As jcafcw posted it's The Cure tune called A Forest

From the excellent 1980 album Seventeen Days.
Stev0
01-05-2010
Another thing is that the Angels said the same thing as Prisoner Zero. "The Doctor and the Tardis doesn't know". Those exact words, obviously has some significance.
JCR
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by ollie501:
“It's the handcuffs thing that makes me wonder if

Spoiler
Amy and River are the same person. It would account for why they hadn't "met" yet in Rivers first story, not to mention that the handcuffs were used by Amy when she locked against the radiator in the first episode.


It's also conceivable that if time itself is being interfered with or corrupted, courtesy of the crack in time, that Rory's badge date is tied in with the Amy not remembering Daleks etc.. Not quite sure how the lack of ducks on a pond is relevant though. All in all, a damn good episode, and Matt Smith is positively brilliant as the Doc.”

The name badge doesn't mean anything, Moffat has said. If it wasn't a mistake, they would have drawn attention to it on screen.
Fayecorgasm
01-05-2010
I just assumed Amy was possessed by something since it was so random
CD93
01-05-2010
The Pandorica will probably be "the bang" which causes the cracks... God I love time travel.
dubgaz
01-05-2010
That was a brilliant episode and its great that the season arc is starting so early.

I am a bit confused about the crack in time. If the 'incident' happens on June 26th 2010 why does Amy and others not remember the cyberman, daleks etc?
Ethel_Fred
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“I just assumed Amy was possessed by something since it was so random”

Back to Prisoner Zero who spent all those years in Amy's home without Amy knowing about it.
RandomPeter94
01-05-2010
Wheres The Poll??!!
CD93
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by dubgaz:
“That was a brilliant episode and its great that the season arc is starting so early.

I am a bit confused about the crack in time. If the 'incident' happens on June 26th 2010 why does Amy and others not remember the cyberman, daleks etc?”

Because it's cracking time and space.... the keyword is time.
doctorellis
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“I just assumed Amy was possessed by something since it was so random”

yeah same. i think theres a bit more into it than just a kiss...

especially as the doctor said, lets get you sorted or something
Ethel_Fred
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by dubgaz:
“That was a brilliant episode and its great that the season arc is starting so early.

I am a bit confused about the crack in time. If the 'incident' happens on June 26th 2010 why does Amy and others not remember the cyberman, daleks etc?”

Time is relative and not absolute. As the crack existed when Amy was young events could have been altering since then - and may even have been related to the crash of the Tardis.

It could have even reached back in time to erase the existence of the Cyberking - or Venice vampires
Fudd
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by scowler:
“Exactly, these two episodes have completely ruined the original concept of the Weeping Angels.

Heres how Wiki describes them, based on their explaination in Blink:

Their physiology is quantum-locked, so that they only occupy a single position in space when seen by an observer (see Copenhagen interpretation). When they are not observed they become a "quantum wave form" that occupies many positions in space. Therefore, they cannot move while observed, but can move extremely quickly when unseen.

They don't 'turn to stone' on purpose to be sneaky, they literally cannot move when an observer in present.

Terrible pair of episodes and a terrible series so far.”

I forgot Wiki was the centre for all Who Folklore.

Considering Moffat created them I daresay he knows a damnsight more about his own creations than some contributor on Wiki who's managed to grab a thesaurus.

Remember also that the Angels in Blink were a much weaker form than the ones in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone.
Ash_735
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by dubgaz:
“That was a brilliant episode and its great that the season arc is starting so early.

I am a bit confused about the crack in time. If the 'incident' happens on June 26th 2010 why does Amy and others not remember the cyberman, daleks etc?”

Oh god, erm, wibbly wobbly timey wimey? The event HAS happened, The Doctor has to prevent it, because the event has already happened, the crack in time are already there and now more visible than ever, so the crack in time go to the past to, erasing events.

If that makes sense?
googleking
01-05-2010
Originally Posted by RandomPeter94:
“Wheres The Poll??!!”

Everyone looking at the crack has caused it to be forgotten this week.
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