Wow no 'Poor' vote in the poll yet 
Results:What did you think of the episode?
Excellent
477 (70.04%)
Good
148 (21.73%)
Average
31 (4.55%)
Poor
13 (1.91%)
Awful
12 (1.76%)
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Series 1/5/31/Fnarg Episode 5- Flesh and Stone Discussion Thread
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Quote:
“I loved the Little Red Riding Hood vibe when Amy was walking through the forest.”
“I loved the Little Red Riding Hood vibe when Amy was walking through the forest.”
Aye, I got that too, there was a great shot as the camera pulled back and it just worked really well with her bright red top.
I picked up on the Aliens link too. Fab.
Originally Posted by Solid60:
“Not if he didn't see his killer.”
“Not if he didn't see his killer.”
Yep you have a point there, is that why the narrator on ToA sounded like Paul McGann?
Loved this episode. Matt Smith was brilliant and mad. My kids were very proud when they realised that Amy was counting backwards before the Doctor and River did. We thought the last scene was hilarious, although pleased that the kids didn't fully understand it!
Now I'm wondering what will happen on June 26th. I'm assuming that it is Amy's wedding day and also the series finale.
Now I'm wondering what will happen on June 26th. I'm assuming that it is Amy's wedding day and also the series finale.
Adam Smith, the director, managed to screw up one of his own best shots in the editing room. In the trailer shown last week there's a shot from where the Doctor is trapped by the Angels, just after the crack has reappeared in the wall. In the trailer version the camera pans from the right to the left and back again to the right, showing the advance of the Angels upon the Doctor. In the version shown tonight the shot is cut in half by an edit to a close-up of an Angel's face and in doing so it totally destroys the impression of the Angels closing in on the Doctor. I find the choice of this re-edited version impossible to understand. Did anyone else notice?
Originally Posted by CD93:
“and Amy had to pretend that she could see them so that they would act "normally." When she fell, they began to realise that they weren't being watched.”
“and Amy had to pretend that she could see them so that they would act "normally." When she fell, they began to realise that they weren't being watched.”
It shouldn't make any difference what the Angels realise or don't realise.
If they are quantum locked it literally means that they are locked when somebody observes them.
The Angels being quantum locked isn't a case of them acting a certain way, it's a state of being.
I also don't understand why they were stone when they moved. You could hear them creak like stone when they did.
In Blink it said that when they are quantum locked then they are stone when being looked at, but when they are not looked at they are not stone anymore.
Hi all
Sorta new here. But here's my two cents...!
I've found that all of the episodes so far in this series have been really zooming by. There's just so much crammed in, so much content.
Some Positives (there were many!)
Visually, I think the show has improved so much. The lighting, the choice of palette. Obviously the shift to HD will help, but it looks so much classier, and atmospheric. Despite the overall success since 2005, it always was a bugbear of mine that visually, everything looked a bit CBBC; lightweight, cheap,and over-lit - unfortunately betraying the BBC production standards.
Dialogue - so quotable. But I won't... And in such quick succession. Love it.
I think the handling of foreshadowing, A plot, B plot, over-running arc, continuity was very impressive. Admirably coherent. And the momentum didn't sag for it either. Like I said, the fullness of content was quite dizzying. Compare this to say, EOT part 1. There's 10 times more good stuff all expertly crammed in. I can appreciate people hanker for a more sedate, perhaps classic series pace. But I love the dizzying array of ideas in this early Moffat era. Kind of a reflection of the Doctor's presumably mulititudinous (is that a word?) thought processes.
Negatives
I'd like AK to turn down the smug a little bit. It's a little understandable for the character, seeing as she knows something the Doctor doesn't, but lets not forget the Doctor knows something fairly important about you, and he hasn't been lording it over you for the entire 2 episodes... I like AK usually though.
The final scene. I'm not a puritanical fuddy duddy. I'm 28. I'm a liberal a man of the world! Ahem. But I felt the scene was off in terms of the execution more than anything else. It was too full on, and as a result jarred somewhat with the weight of what came previously. Although the performances were admirable from a comical perspective, I don't think the direction should have been so overt in that direction. If the issue can be broached on the show, need it have been so, well, grapple-y? Seeing MS's Doctor grappling her away just made me feel a bit embarrassed. Hopefully what will follow will place her immediate randiness into some kind of context... why didn't she just try to jump his bones in the TARDIS if the urge was so great? I'm presuming there are ample beds...
I'm really positive about the direction of the series. The one thing i am worried about is the ominously huge, gelatinous shape of James Corden looming like the ghost of Peter Kay on the horizon... but I have faith.
Sorry about the long post. I started typing and just kept going.
LO
Sorta new here. But here's my two cents...!
I've found that all of the episodes so far in this series have been really zooming by. There's just so much crammed in, so much content.
Some Positives (there were many!)
Visually, I think the show has improved so much. The lighting, the choice of palette. Obviously the shift to HD will help, but it looks so much classier, and atmospheric. Despite the overall success since 2005, it always was a bugbear of mine that visually, everything looked a bit CBBC; lightweight, cheap,and over-lit - unfortunately betraying the BBC production standards.
Dialogue - so quotable. But I won't... And in such quick succession. Love it.
I think the handling of foreshadowing, A plot, B plot, over-running arc, continuity was very impressive. Admirably coherent. And the momentum didn't sag for it either. Like I said, the fullness of content was quite dizzying. Compare this to say, EOT part 1. There's 10 times more good stuff all expertly crammed in. I can appreciate people hanker for a more sedate, perhaps classic series pace. But I love the dizzying array of ideas in this early Moffat era. Kind of a reflection of the Doctor's presumably mulititudinous (is that a word?) thought processes.
Negatives
I'd like AK to turn down the smug a little bit. It's a little understandable for the character, seeing as she knows something the Doctor doesn't, but lets not forget the Doctor knows something fairly important about you, and he hasn't been lording it over you for the entire 2 episodes... I like AK usually though.
The final scene. I'm not a puritanical fuddy duddy. I'm 28. I'm a liberal a man of the world! Ahem.
But I felt the scene was off in terms of the execution more than anything else. It was too full on, and as a result jarred somewhat with the weight of what came previously. Although the performances were admirable from a comical perspective, I don't think the direction should have been so overt in that direction. If the issue can be broached on the show, need it have been so, well, grapple-y? Seeing MS's Doctor grappling her away just made me feel a bit embarrassed. Hopefully what will follow will place her immediate randiness into some kind of context... why didn't she just try to jump his bones in the TARDIS if the urge was so great? I'm presuming there are ample beds...I'm really positive about the direction of the series. The one thing i am worried about is the ominously huge, gelatinous shape of James Corden looming like the ghost of Peter Kay on the horizon... but I have faith.
Sorry about the long post. I started typing and just kept going.
LO
can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“Adam Smith, the director, managed to screw up one of his own best shots in the editing room. In the trailer shown last week there's a shot from where the Doctor is trapped by the Angels, just after the crack has reappeared in the wall. In the trailer version the camera pans from the right to the left and back again to the right, showing the advance of the Angels upon the Doctor. In the version shown tonight the shot is cut in half by an edit to a close-up of an Angel's face and in doing so it totally destroys the impression of the Angels closing in on the Doctor. I find the choice of this re-edited version impossible to understand. Did anyone else notice?
”
“Adam Smith, the director, managed to screw up one of his own best shots in the editing room. In the trailer shown last week there's a shot from where the Doctor is trapped by the Angels, just after the crack has reappeared in the wall. In the trailer version the camera pans from the right to the left and back again to the right, showing the advance of the Angels upon the Doctor. In the version shown tonight the shot is cut in half by an edit to a close-up of an Angel's face and in doing so it totally destroys the impression of the Angels closing in on the Doctor. I find the choice of this re-edited version impossible to understand. Did anyone else notice?
”
The Original Trailer also included the "Trap" speech over footage of the Vampires in Venice...oddly, it was done that way in order to maximise the effect of the Trailer owing to the fact that viewers who care for such scrutiny would enjoy seeing the layers of the Trailer peel away episode by episode and wonder what was left to come...are you a Director? Editor? I'd be very interested as to the answer: earlier, you were complaining about a sequence you had only seen reported in The Daily Heil...now you are complaining about a scene because it wasn't the same as it was in the Trailer (you know, that montage of images put together to make people watch next week)...you're a curiosity...
Too much going on! Need to watch it again!
Saying that, I was gripped and loved it all the way through
Another thumbs up excellent from me
Saying that, I was gripped and loved it all the way through
Another thumbs up excellent from me
Originally Posted by robbies_gal:
“can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?”
“can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?”
I voted excellent. Not comparing it to anything in particular. I just really liked it. Anything I feel I need to watch again to fully take it all in is always a good thing in my book, as opposed to something that I understand straight away and don't have to think about
Originally Posted by littleotik:
“Hi all
Sorta new here. But here's my two cents...!
I've found that all of the episodes so far in this series have been really zooming by. There's just so much crammed in, so much content.
Some Positives (there were many!)
Visually, I think the show has improved so much. The lighting, the choice of palette. Obviously the shift to HD will help, but it looks so much classier, and atmospheric. Despite the overall success since 2005, it always was a bugbear of mine that visually, everything looked a bit CBBC; lightweight, cheap,and over-lit - unfortunately betraying the BBC production standards.
Dialogue - so quotable. But I won't... And in such quick succession. Love it.
I think the handling of foreshadowing, A plot, B plot, over-running arc, continuity was very impressive. Admirably coherent. And the momentum didn't sag for it either. Like I said, the fullness of content was quite dizzying. Compare this to say, EOT part 1. There's 10 times more good stuff all expertly crammed in. I can appreciate people hanker for a more sedate, perhaps classic series pace. But I love the dizzying array of ideas in this early Moffat era. Kind of a reflection of the Doctor's presumably mulititudinous (is that a word?) thought processes.
Negatives
I'd like AK to turn down the smug a little bit. It's a little understandable for the character, seeing as she knows something the Doctor doesn't, but lets not forget the Doctor knows something fairly important about you, and he hasn't been lording it over you for the entire 2 episodes... I like AK usually though.
The final scene. I'm not a puritanical fuddy duddy. I'm 28. I'm a liberal a man of the world! Ahem. But I felt the scene was off in terms of the execution more than anything else. It was too full on, and as a result jarred somewhat with the weight of what came previously. Although the performances were admirable from a comical perspective, I don't think the direction should have been so overt in that direction. If the issue can be broached on the show, need it have been so, well, grapple-y? Seeing MS's Doctor grappling her away just made me feel a bit embarrassed. Hopefully what will follow will place her immediate randiness into some kind of context... why didn't she just try to jump his bones in the TARDIS if the urge was so great? I'm presuming there are ample beds...
I'm really positive about the direction of the series. The one thing i am worried about is the ominously huge, gelatinous shape of James Corden looming like the ghost of Peter Kay on the horizon... but I have faith.
Sorry about the long post. I started typing and just kept going.
LO”
“Hi all
Sorta new here. But here's my two cents...!
I've found that all of the episodes so far in this series have been really zooming by. There's just so much crammed in, so much content.
Some Positives (there were many!)
Visually, I think the show has improved so much. The lighting, the choice of palette. Obviously the shift to HD will help, but it looks so much classier, and atmospheric. Despite the overall success since 2005, it always was a bugbear of mine that visually, everything looked a bit CBBC; lightweight, cheap,and over-lit - unfortunately betraying the BBC production standards.
Dialogue - so quotable. But I won't... And in such quick succession. Love it.
I think the handling of foreshadowing, A plot, B plot, over-running arc, continuity was very impressive. Admirably coherent. And the momentum didn't sag for it either. Like I said, the fullness of content was quite dizzying. Compare this to say, EOT part 1. There's 10 times more good stuff all expertly crammed in. I can appreciate people hanker for a more sedate, perhaps classic series pace. But I love the dizzying array of ideas in this early Moffat era. Kind of a reflection of the Doctor's presumably mulititudinous (is that a word?) thought processes.
Negatives
I'd like AK to turn down the smug a little bit. It's a little understandable for the character, seeing as she knows something the Doctor doesn't, but lets not forget the Doctor knows something fairly important about you, and he hasn't been lording it over you for the entire 2 episodes... I like AK usually though.
The final scene. I'm not a puritanical fuddy duddy. I'm 28. I'm a liberal a man of the world! Ahem.
But I felt the scene was off in terms of the execution more than anything else. It was too full on, and as a result jarred somewhat with the weight of what came previously. Although the performances were admirable from a comical perspective, I don't think the direction should have been so overt in that direction. If the issue can be broached on the show, need it have been so, well, grapple-y? Seeing MS's Doctor grappling her away just made me feel a bit embarrassed. Hopefully what will follow will place her immediate randiness into some kind of context... why didn't she just try to jump his bones in the TARDIS if the urge was so great? I'm presuming there are ample beds...I'm really positive about the direction of the series. The one thing i am worried about is the ominously huge, gelatinous shape of James Corden looming like the ghost of Peter Kay on the horizon... but I have faith.
Sorry about the long post. I started typing and just kept going.
LO”
Lovely review of the new series, agree with you about James Corden was trying to forget him!
Originally Posted by robbies_gal:
“can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?”
“can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?”
Comparing against other New Who episodes - haven't seen Old Who.
I've voted good.
I rewatched The Time Of Angels right before this latest episode and I thought the first part was near perfect. Flesh And Stone didn't quite match up to the first part in my opinion, but was still very good. There was some great acting, some excellent quotes and moments of comedy... but I really didn't enjoy that final scene at all.
I'd order the programmes so far this series in this order:
1) The Time Of Angels (Excellent)
2) The Eleventh Hour (Excellent)
3) Flesh and Stone (Very Good)
4) The Best Below (Good)
5) Victory of the Daleks (Average)
I rewatched The Time Of Angels right before this latest episode and I thought the first part was near perfect. Flesh And Stone didn't quite match up to the first part in my opinion, but was still very good. There was some great acting, some excellent quotes and moments of comedy... but I really didn't enjoy that final scene at all.
I'd order the programmes so far this series in this order:
1) The Time Of Angels (Excellent)
2) The Eleventh Hour (Excellent)
3) Flesh and Stone (Very Good)
4) The Best Below (Good)
5) Victory of the Daleks (Average)
"The single most important thing in the history of the universe is that I get you sorted out right now!"
"That's what I've been trying to tell you!"
Great scene. http://bbc.co.uk/i/s971z/?t=40m46s
"That's what I've been trying to tell you!"
Great scene. http://bbc.co.uk/i/s971z/?t=40m46s
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Comparing against other New Who episodes - haven't seen Old Who.”
“Comparing against other New Who episodes - haven't seen Old Who.
”
thanks for your replies-is it really excellent compared to some great episodes in the last five years?
things like blink and sitl which i thought was the better river song ep
Originally Posted by robbies_gal:
“can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?”
“can anyone tell me who voted excellent for this episode wot they were comparing it against
is it jsut this series or all of nuwho?”
I am sure people use different criteria. Myself I compare it versus all DW.
Did you not ask a very similar question to this a few weeks back( could have been someone with a very similar user name, of course)?
Originally Posted by robbies_gal:
“thanks for your replies-is it really excellent compared to some great episodes in the last five years?
things like blink and sitl which i thought was the better river song ep”
“thanks for your replies-is it really excellent compared to some great episodes in the last five years?
things like blink and sitl which i thought was the better river song ep”
Loved them both, I have to agree, but I think Flesh and Stone was right up there - the pacing was excellent, it was gripping throughout, the script was superb and acting great. Te end scene did jar for me, I must admit, but not to the extent where I'd downgrade it.
Originally Posted by TCD1975:
“I rewatched The Time Of Angels right before this latest episode and I thought the first part was near perfect. Flesh And Stone didn't quite match up to the first part in my opinion, but was still very good.”
“I rewatched The Time Of Angels right before this latest episode and I thought the first part was near perfect. Flesh And Stone didn't quite match up to the first part in my opinion, but was still very good.”
A problem with almost all of the two-part stories IMO. The first part has nearly always been very good indeed, leading to sky high expectations for the second part, which has failed to deliver in many people's opinion. This is an intrinsic problem of course, which writers will always struggle with. How do you deliver a second part which surpasses all the expectations of the first part, when you've probably already set everything up in terms of the concepts involved? Extremely difficult.
Originally Posted by BibaNova:
“Lovely review of the new series, agree with you about James Corden was trying to forget him!”
“Lovely review of the new series, agree with you about James Corden was trying to forget him!”
Thank you very much. Nice to know my humble two cents are worth at least that.
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“I am sure people use different criteria. Myself I compare it versus all DW.
Did you not ask a very similar question to this a few weeks back( could have been someone with a very similar user name, of course)?”
“I am sure people use different criteria. Myself I compare it versus all DW.
Did you not ask a very similar question to this a few weeks back( could have been someone with a very similar user name, of course)?”
no dont think so
unless i looked in the crack of the universe and forgot
Originally Posted by robbies_gal:
“no dont think so
unless i looked in the crack of the universe and forgot”
“no dont think so
unless i looked in the crack of the universe and forgot
”
now theres a scary thought!
must have been someone with a similar name then! Funny old world!
I voted good. I would have preferred to vote Very Good, but no option. I couldn't stretch to excellent because I believe the episode suffered a little due to a weak acting performance from Karen Gillan.
I thought Matt was great again
I thought Matt was great again
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