DS Forums

 
 

What does Russell think?


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-05-2010, 22:13
WelshNige
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,342
Yes, I remember all those times Sarah-Jane jumped on a bed, spread her legs and asked the Doctor to "sort her out"...
What gets me is that if RTD had written that last scene he'd have been lambasted by the usual suspects on here for ruining their vision of what Dr Who should be, but as SM has written it it's apparently hilarious and totally in keeping with Amy's character, who let's not forget is apparently a throwback to the companions seen in Classic Who.

The hypocrisy and double standards never ceases to amaze me.
WelshNige is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 01-05-2010, 22:15
Magpie2467
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
I think he's still involved in the show. Remember the trail for Graham Norton last week? It's all part of RTD's gay agenda!
Magpie2467 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 22:28
Fudd
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 117,016
I think he's still involved in the show. Remember the trail for Graham Norton last week? It's all part of RTD's gay agenda!
You think Amy will walk in on the Doctor and Rory in bed?
Fudd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 22:32
Dr. Linus
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Teenage Wasteland
Posts: 5,930
What gets me is that if RTD had written that last scene he'd have been lambasted by the usual suspects on here for ruining their vision of what Dr Who should be, but as SM has written it it's apparently hilarious and totally in keeping with Amy's character, who let's not forget is apparently a throwback to the companions seen in Classic Who.

The hypocrisy and double standards never ceases to amaze me.
To be honest, the vast majority of us, myself included, wouldn't have batted an eyelid in the RTD days either. But yes I totally agree. To think about the uproar that was cause by Rose's kiss with a Doctor who wasn't even really the Doctor, and then see such little response here... either people have done some growing up and realised that it's not an issue or, more likely, there's a lot of hypocrites who see RTD through beer goggles and Moffat through rose-tinted lenses...
Dr. Linus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 00:28
lordo350
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,397
I think he'll be loving it as much as me. I loved RTD's era and I'm loving Moffat's era. Seriously; isn't the reason we are all on this forum because we love Doctor Who? RTD haters say what you will, but you wouldn't have stuck with the New Who show for 5 years if it was THAT rubbish.
lordo350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 00:35
LostFool
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 59,670
Can't see this at all. I've felt every episode this year so far (even the comparatively weak Dalek one) was better than the last couple of years, and if anything this two parter was Moffat's best effort since the superb 'Blink'.
I'd agree that Blink is "superb" - one of my top few episodes of any TV show ever, but I'd put "Silence in the Library"
/"Forest of the Dead" above this two-parter. In previous series, Moffat's episodes have been the highlights ("Empty Child", "Girl in the Fireplace") but his episodes so far this year have been below par - not bad, just below his usual extremely high standard. Perhaps he is getting distracted from writing from his duties running the show.
LostFool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 00:37
poppycod
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,155
Who cares what Russell thinks? He's gone, move on.
Exactly right.

However he may be lamenting the disappearance of one staple element of his Dr Who...
poppycod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 00:40
poppycod
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,155
You do know that (in the real world at least) you can't actually rewrite history? Moffat wouldn't have a job if Davies hadn't been so successful.
Nor would Moffat had had a job if Hinchecliffe, Letts etc had been successful.

RTD will be seen as just another Derek Sherwin - filling in a gap for a year or two.
poppycod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 00:40
poppycod
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,155
There's a line of hypocrites forming...I'm surprised that you are one
Personal abuse is against the T&Cs isnt it?
poppycod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 00:48
Fudd
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 117,016
I'd agree that Blink is "superb" - one of my top few episodes of any TV show ever, but I'd put "Silence in the Library"
/"Forest of the Dead" above this two-parter. In previous series, Moffat's episodes have been the highlights ("Empty Child", "Girl in the Fireplace") but his episodes so far this year have been below par - not bad, just below his usual extremely high standard. Perhaps he is getting distracted from writing from his duties running the show.
It'll be interesting iof RTD ever gets invited to write an episode whether he'd write a really exceptional one because the pressures of being show runner would be off him. Not saying his episodes have been dreadful so far - Midnight for one was absolutely fantastic, as was Turn Left. Just when you have more time to work on something it often turns out better.
Fudd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 01:50
Reality Sucks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,363
I think he'll be loving it as much as me. I loved RTD's era and I'm loving Moffat's era. Seriously; isn't the reason we are all on this forum because we love Doctor Who? RTD haters say what you will, but you wouldn't have stuck with the New Who show for 5 years if it was THAT rubbish.
Exactly. Amazes me how people go on about RTD as though he ruined Doctor Who when in fact he resurrected a show that was past it's sell by date and made it watchable again.

Also, RTD and SM are colleagues and no doubt admire each others work. There's no need for the petty rivalry amongst fans of the show.
Reality Sucks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 02:48
Grand Dizzy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 7,132
Right...so you've started a thread asking people what RTD thinks of the new series given the fact that they can't possibly know...care to explain your reasoning for bothering?
Has RTD signed some sort of contract vowing never to speak about Doctor Who ever again?

If not, what’s to stop him giving his reaction to the new series, either on Twitter, or interviews, or blogs, or to people who know him who could post on here?

This thread raises a good question, and one I’ve been wondering for the past month.

What gets me is that if RTD had written that last scene he'd have been lambasted by the usual suspects on here for ruining their vision of what Dr Who should be, but as SM has written it it's apparently hilarious and totally in keeping with Amy's character, who let's not forget is apparently a throwback to the companions seen in Classic Who.

The hypocrisy and double standards never ceases to amaze me.
I can’t see RTD writing a scene where the Doctor pushes a horny girl away in disgust, reminding her that she’s hundreds of years younger than him and a different species.

While RTD gave us a love story between Rose and the Doctor, SM seems to have really toned down the romance to take the Doctor back to being more of an alien father figure, and nowhere was this more evident than in this scene.

For that matter, I can’t imagine David Tennant’s Doctor tenderly kissing a companion on the forehead and there being absolutely no romantic connotations.

I’m not saying I disagree with RTD’s choices, but I definitely don’t think this episode portrayed the Doctor as more sexual — only the companion. Personally I think it’s about time we had a little bit more of a sexual companion. A world where no one has any sexual desires is unrealistic, and I think many TV shows suffer from that. We haven’t really had that kind of thing since Captain Jack’s debut episode back in series 1, and Moffat wrote that!
Grand Dizzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 08:56
Kal_El
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 4,234
There's a line of hypocrites forming...I'm surprised that you are one
Actually, in retrospect you were right to call me on this. The post I quoted was a doozy really, and I don't agree with it at all. Ought not to come on the forum when drinking.

I'm sure Russell will be bloody loving it, just like most of us are.
Kal_El is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 09:20
CAMERA OBSCURA
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,692
What gets me is that if RTD had written that last scene he'd have been lambasted by the usual suspects on here for ruining their vision of what Dr Who should be, but as SM has written it it's apparently hilarious and totally in keeping with Amy's character, who let's not forget is apparently a throwback to the companions seen in Classic Who.

The hypocrisy and double standards never ceases to amaze me.
It is funny though.

Doomsday is a Deus Ex Machine yet Flesh And Stone/The Beast Below and Victory Of The Daleks are classic old skool Who.

Any other writer and the resolution of the cliffhanger from Time Of Angels would have been lambasted in the RTD era (makes being stuck down a hole in The Satan Pit seem a bit redundant if all they have to do it blow up a gravity ball)

When Martha fancies the Doctor (from a far as well it must be said, and very much kept it to herself) it is sopa opera and how dare Doctor Who deal in emotions, it wouldn't have happened with a companion in the old days. When Amy Pond physically tries to get The Doctor into bed for sex, it classic who

When Doctors 9/10 used the Soncic screwdriver it was lazy writing yet when Doctor 11 uses it, and it seems he never stops using it, it is classic old skool Who


When a Dalek uses a temporal shift it is lazy writing, yet teleporting Amy Pond out of a long and carefully set up scene that involves her walking through a group of Angels with her eyes closed is classic old skool Who.
CAMERA OBSCURA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 10:50
tingramretro
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Shotley, Suffolk
Posts: 10,824
I can’t see RTD writing a scene where the Doctor pushes a horny girl away in disgust, reminding her that she’s hundreds of years younger than him and a different species.

While RTD gave us a love story between Rose and the Doctor, SM seems to have really toned down the romance to take the Doctor back to being more of an alien father figure, and nowhere was this more evident than in this scene.
Yep, I thought he got it just right.
tingramretro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 10:54
Listentome
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9,705
As much as I loved the RTD era, deeply, I'd have to agree.
I agree too. I have enjoyed Doctor Who all my life, and enjoyed RTD's era, but this series is turning out to be my favourite since Peter Davison's last.
Listentome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 11:00
Listentome
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9,705
Yes, I remember all those times Sarah-Jane jumped on a bed, spread her legs and asked the Doctor to "sort her out"...
The last scene on Flesh and Stone aside, overall I think this series feels more like traditional Doctor Who. Certainly with the characterisation of The Doctor.

Each companion is different, just because a previous one like the great SJS, didn't come on to The Doctor, doesn't mean one like Amy can't. Doctor Who has always been about doing things differently, so I have no problem with the way Amy behaved.
Listentome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 11:15
broadshoulder
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 12,332
The last scene on Flesh and Stone aside, overall I think this series feels more like traditional Doctor Who. Certainly with the characterisation of The Doctor.

Each companion is different, just because a previous one like the great SJS, didn't come on to The Doctor, doesn't mean one like Amy can't. Doctor Who has always been about doing things differently, so I have no problem with the way Amy behaved.
Oh its perfectly in character for Amy to behave like that. Shes highly sexed.

But it is also in character for the Doctor to push her away as a 900 year old alien timelord.

The point was Moffat got the characters better then emo Tennant and the RTD years which would have had them snogging them him boasting about it afterwards.
broadshoulder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 11:17
WelshNige
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,342
Oh its perfectly in character for Amy to behave like that. Shes highly sexed.

But it is also in character for the Doctor to push her away as a 900 year old alien timelord.

The point was Moffat got the characters better then emo Tennant and the RTD years which would have had them snogging them him boasting about it afterwards.
On what are you basing this view??
WelshNige is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 11:24
be more pacific
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 16,034
Oh its perfectly in character for Amy to behave like that. Shes highly sexed.

But it is also in character for the Doctor to push her away as a 900 year old alien timelord.

The point was Moffat got the characters better then emo Tennant and the RTD years which would have had them snogging them him boasting about it afterwards.
The only time I remember 10 boasting about a snog was in The Girl in the Fireplace. Do you remember who wrote that story?
be more pacific is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 11:25
WelshNige
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,342
Oh its perfectly in character for Amy to behave like that. Shes highly sexed.

But it is also in character for the Doctor to push her away as a 900 year old alien timelord.

The point was Moffat got the characters better then emo Tennant and the RTD years which would have had them snogging them him boasting about it afterwards.
How many times did Tennant snog a companion and how many times did he boast about it??
WelshNige is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 11:52
Eaglestriker
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,504
How many times did Tennant snog a companion and how many times did he boast about it??
Exactly. In fact, the only time he did anything so close to boasting about snogging was in 'The Girl in the Fireplace'.

"I'm the Doctor! And I just snogged Madame de Pompadour!!!"

And we all know who wrote that
Eaglestriker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 14:33
crazzyaz7
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The TARDIS
Posts: 11,931
Oh its perfectly in character for Amy to behave like that. Shes highly sexed.

But it is also in character for the Doctor to push her away as a 900 year old alien timelord.

The point was Moffat got the characters better then emo Tennant and the RTD years which would have had them snogging them him boasting about it afterwards.
Ha lol this has made me laugh so much...and shows how many hypocrites there are in this forum....


The only time the Tenth Doctor boasted about snogging someone, and actually snogged them back...with no excuse like saving their life, or genetic transfer was the Episode THE GIRL IN THE FIREPLACE! Highlighted in every possible way with the hope that some of you would shut up with your hypocricies!!!

And remember the time when Martha was flirting with the Doctor in the Tardis in Smith and Jones...and he kept telling her not to? So Moff isn't the first one to write the Doctor as turning down the advances of a companion.....The Tenth Doctor felt glad that Martha said to him he isn't her type because he isn't human...and then later when Donna came along, he felt glad that she saw him as long piece of alien nothing......


Moff hasn't done anything new....excpet for making a companion come onto the Doctor more than anyother companion has ever....and the Doctor rightly turned her away, one she was getting married...and two he obviously learnt from Donna that all he wants is a friend.....and nothing more.
crazzyaz7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 14:37
Muttley76
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: I wear a Stetson now...
Posts: 92,640
Exactly. In fact, the only time he did anything so close to boasting about snogging was in 'The Girl in the Fireplace'.

"I'm the Doctor! And I just snogged Madame de Pompadour!!!"

And we all know who wrote that
*snorts*

Anyway, in an attempt to answer the OP: since RTD a) loves DW and b) is a massive fan of SM's work I am sure he is loving watching the new series.

The ongoing attempts by certain people in this thread and this forum at large to peddle some kind of fictitious rivalry between the two is seriously pathetic.
Muttley76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2010, 14:43
Big Steve
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Walsall West Midlands
Posts: 2,576
I am sure when Russell watches it, he is going to burst into a laughing fit simple as.

Also please people can we stop with this RTD/SM agenda.It's getting down right stupid, just sit down and enjoy the show. It's not bloody rocket science.
Big Steve is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:09.