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Old 02-05-2010, 18:44
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As much as I loved the RTD era, deeply, I'd have to agree.
Based on what?
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Old 02-05-2010, 18:55
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RTD may not be directly involved in Doctor Who anymore, but he is still the Executive Producer of two of the three Whoniverse shows. I find it bizarre how some fans don't understand that RTD and SM have been working together for years and will continue to work together on future projects.
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Old 02-05-2010, 19:01
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RTD may not be directly involved in Doctor Who anymore, but he is still the Executive Producer of two of the three Whoniverse shows. I find it bizarre how some fans don't understand that RTD and SM have been working together for years and will continue to work together on future projects.
The fact the Cyberking stomping all over Victorian London was referenced in the last ep perhaps means they were colluding on this plot even as far back as "The Next Doctor..." so yeah, obviously.

It is only the internet that likes to believe there is some huge RTD/Moffat divide. Moffat rates RTD as his favourite writer and RTD obviously does the same for Moffat having reached out to him to not only write scripts for his series but carry on the reinvented series as he established it.

Still, I bet RTD is loving this series. I imagine in the US he was able to shut himself off from all spoilers and is finally able to "just" be a fan again.

ORRR...he's already had the tapes sped to him across the pond and he's ahead of us...
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Old 02-05-2010, 19:03
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I don't know what RTD thinks. But I have a suggestion - why don't you go to the messageboard here and ask him.

http://www.russelltdavies.com/
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Old 02-05-2010, 19:19
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Exactly. In fact, the only time he did anything so close to boasting about snogging was in 'The Girl in the Fireplace'.

"I'm the Doctor! And I just snogged Madame de Pompadour!!!"

And we all know who wrote that
Playing Devils Advocate, I must mention that after being forcibly snogged by Cassandra in Rose's body, the 10th Doctor was heard to squeak "Yep, still got it" which COULD possibly be construed as a mild boast
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Old 02-05-2010, 19:31
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Playing Devils Advocate, I must mention that after being forcibly snogged by Cassandra in Rose's body, the 10th Doctor was heard to squeak "Yep, still got it" which COULD possibly be construed as a mild boast
Lol....I put that down to the fact that the Tenth Doctor was and always has been a vein Doctor.... He even boasted about the fact that Martha fancied him to Donna, despite being glad that she doesn't....something has to fill that vanity

But on a serious note he definitely didn't snog her back and then shout on top of the roof that he did like he did for Reinette....


Even with last night, despite pushing her away a few times, there is a moment when he gets a little lost in that kiss!!
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Old 02-05-2010, 19:36
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Seriously, who cares what Russell thinks?

He's yesterdays man and made a pigs ear of his own tenure (especially the season finales)

The Moffat era is wiping the floor with his.
I respectfully disagree. Parting of the Ways, Doomsday (not fussed on Last of the Timelords but Utopia was stunning) and Journey's End managed to run the entire gamut of emotions and are viewed as successful in domestic and foreign press reviews, but more importantly with myself and everyone I know. To say he made a pig's ear is factually incorrect.
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Old 02-05-2010, 22:42
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I respectfully disagree. Parting of the Ways, Doomsday (not fussed on Last of the Timelords but Utopia was stunning) and Journey's End managed to run the entire gamut of emotions and are viewed as successful in domestic and foreign press reviews, but more importantly with myself and everyone I know. To say he made a pig's ear is factually incorrect.
I don't really want to get into the RTD v SM debate again but you're right, RTD did make some good stories during his time on the show. Whatever happens from now on with Matt Smith and the new show, even if they are the best stories we've ever seen, I'll still look back fondly at those stories just as I do some of the stories from the classic series.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:15
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RTD will be seen as just another Derek Sherwin - filling in a gap for a year or two.

That has to one of the most ridiculous, if not disrespectful, posts I've ever read on here.
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:02
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RTD will be seen as just another Derek Sherwin - filling in a gap for a year or two.
That has to one of the most ridiculous, if not disrespectful, posts I've ever read on here.
I agree. Derrick Sherwin produced and script edited some of the best Doctor Who stories ever written, and his contribution should not be undervalued. The Mind Robber, The Web of Fear, The War Games, Invasion, Spearhead from Space...hardly just filling in a gap!
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:53
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But Derek Sherwin has been largely eclipsed by later producers.

The same will undoubtedly happen with RTD. His era will be forgotten because it was followed by Moffats.
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:57
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But Derek Sherwin has been largely eclipsed by later producers.
You can't just rule out Sixties Who like that!
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:06
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The fact the Cyberking stomping all over Victorian London was referenced in the last ep perhaps means they were colluding on this plot even as far back as "The Next Doctor..." so yeah, obviously.

It is only the internet that likes to believe there is some huge RTD/Moffat divide. Moffat rates RTD as his favourite writer and RTD obviously does the same for Moffat having reached out to him to not only write scripts for his series but carry on the reinvented series as he established it.

Still, I bet RTD is loving this series. I imagine in the US he was able to shut himself off from all spoilers and is finally able to "just" be a fan again.

ORRR...he's already had the tapes sped to him across the pond and he's ahead of us...
Not necessarily. Moffat could have picked any number of references like Nessie in the Thames. Personally I don't think RTD was too concerned with the consequences of the Cyberking in regards to it being noted in history.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:17
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You can't just rule out Sixties Who like that!
Certainly not! I don't think a sizable chunk of sixties Who has been 'eclipsed' by anything! Give me the Hartnell/ Troughton stuff over any of Pertwee (post1970) or a lot of what followed any day.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:26
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Certainly not! I don't think a sizable chunk of sixties Who has been 'eclipsed' by anything! Give me the Hartnell/ Troughton stuff over any of Pertwee (post1970) or a lot of what followed any day.
What I am saying is not a criticism of the 60s Who episodes but that Sherwin has been largely forgotten as a producer because 'bigger' names have followed him such as Hinchecliffe and JNT etc.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:33
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What I am saying is not a criticism of the 60s Who episodes but that Sherwin has been largely forgotten as a producer because 'bigger' names have followed him such as Hinchecliffe and JNT etc.
Possibly. It's hardly fair though, and certainly not true of anyone who's really watched and enjoyed the sixties stuff. Derrick was more than a place holder, he was a damn good producer and script editor.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:42
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Who cares what Russell thinks? He's gone, move on.
The irony of these posts is staggering since the pair of you are the main people who keep reintroducing threads and discussions about the man, as well as being the two people that seem to be the ones keeping this very thread alive.

Maybe you should both take your own advice and move on.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:42
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What I am saying is not a criticism of the 60s Who episodes but that Sherwin has been largely forgotten as a producer because 'bigger' names have followed him such as Hinchecliffe and JNT etc.
To be fair, Doctor Who fandom didn't have much of a voice until after Sherwin's era. Did viewers at the time even know or care anything about the behind-the scenes names on the end credits?

Even the great Verity Lambert is remembered mainly as the Producer who launched the show and went on to have several other successes.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:59
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Possibly. It's hardly fair though, and certainly not true of anyone who's really watched and enjoyed the sixties stuff. Derrick was more than a place holder, he was a damn good producer and script editor.
Cant argue against his talents and abilities - but not many people today have either heard of him or remember much about him. Whereas Hinchcliffe is lauded as a producer demi-God by others.
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Old 03-05-2010, 13:13
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The irony of these posts is staggering since the pair of you are the main people who keep reintroducing threads and discussions about the man, as well as being the two people that seem to be the ones keeping this very thread alive.

Maybe you should both take your own advice and move on.
Muttley what do you expect.....these two will say anything to support their "current" argument and never stay consistant....only yesterday Ting told someone not to bother watching next weeks episode because they had found Flesh and stones dull.....forgetting the fact that he would bite the head of anyone who questioned why he watched the last five years when he obviously wasn't enjoying it!
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Old 03-05-2010, 13:19
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But Derek Sherwin has been largely eclipsed by later producers.

The same will undoubtedly happen with RTD. His era will be forgotten because it was followed by Moffats.
RTD's era will NEVER be forgotten. Why?, because quite simply it was incredibly popular with the VAST majority of the viewing audience who loved the ride he took them on over the last 4 years, and featured a Dr who will go down in history as one of the most popular in the show's long run.

Thankfully sad, pathetic one eyed fans who feel the show is theirs and is only any good if it fits their narrow minded vision of what Dr Who should be are in the VAST minority.
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Old 03-05-2010, 13:26
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RTD may not be directly involved in Doctor Who anymore, but he is still the Executive Producer of two of the three Whoniverse shows. I find it bizarre how some fans don't understand that RTD and SM have been working together for years and will continue to work together on future projects.
Hmmmm. I wonder if Children of Earth ever happened now.

Quite an easy way to bring back the Hub and Ianto now if RTD wanted to.....
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Old 03-05-2010, 13:35
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Hmmmm. I wonder if Children of Earth ever happened now.

Quite an easy way to bring back the Hub and Ianto now if RTD wanted to.....
Wasn't the original Hub set pulled down to make space for the new TARDIS console room? As for Ianto, I'm not sure RTD would want to bring him back after some of the abuse he received from upset fans.
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Old 03-05-2010, 13:50
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The irony of these posts is staggering since the pair of you are the main people who keep reintroducing threads and discussions about the man, as well as being the two people that seem to be the ones keeping this very thread alive.

Maybe you should both take your own advice and move on.
Speak for yourself-I'm talking about Derrick Sherwin.
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Old 03-05-2010, 13:53
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Speak for yourself-I'm talking about Derrick Sherwin.
Yes but the hypocrisy of the post is that you have an issue with someone saying that Derrick is forgotton....yet you are quick to say that we should forget RTD and his era as a thing of the past...in fact you have said in another thread once, exactly what Poppy said that RTD will be forgotton...

You really can't help yourself can you...one rule for other fans and another for you!!!
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