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now that was a hell of a way to reset
some including myself speculated if moffat would somehow reset RTDs era, and I have to say he's hit on a great idea to get rid of the troublesome elements such as massive invasions and earthlings knowledge of aliens without deleting 9 & 10s history. in fact any part of Who continuity that the Moff doesn't like, he can now jetteson and blame it on the crack.
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some including myself speculated if moffat would somehow reset RTDs era, and I have to say he's hit on a great idea to get rid of the troublesome elements such as massive invasions and earthlings knowledge of aliens without deleting 9 & 10s history. in fact any part of Who continuity that the Moff doesn't like, he can now jetteson and blame it on the crack.
Genius idea One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that |
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If some of RTD's 'ideas' hadn't been so repellent a massive reset wouldn't actually be necessary.
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Or, just a HUGE reset button that RTD would have been maligned for for ever more had he employed it
One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that Moffat DOES need to use this chance of a reset to undo all the damage RTD has done. |
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RTD didnt need to use reset buttons - he could have simply resolved his stories properly OR (and this would have been better drama) actually showed us the consequences and aftermaths of huge alien invasions etc.
Moffat DOES need to use this chance of a reset to undo all the damage RTD has done. ...you are presumably talking about the triumph that was the 1st Doctor dumping his Granddaughter on a slaughtered world with a stranger and never bothering to go back and check she was okay as "aftermaths"...or London being evacuated for Cybermen, Yeti, Dinosaurs...and everyone just "not noticing"...or perhaps the Daleks mastery of future Earth in "Day of the Daleks" being reset in a paradox...I never heard anyone accusing the series producers or writers doing "damage"...these are some of the best thought of stories of Classic Who. |
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RTD didnt need to use reset buttons - he could have simply resolved his stories properly OR (and this would have been better drama) actually showed us the consequences and aftermaths of huge alien invasions etc.
Moffat DOES need to use this chance of a reset to undo all the damage RTD has done. But remember that to most people, RTD didn't damage Doctor Who, he brought it back and made it a success. And if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even have bothered with watching Doctor Who. |
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poppycock, how I've missed your submissions (sorry, these bloomin keyboard keys will keep sticking when I type)...
...you are presumably talking about the triumph that was the 1st Doctor dumping his Granddaughter on a slaughtered world with a stranger and never bothering to go back and check she was okay as "aftermaths"...or London being evacuated for Cybermen, Yeti, Dinosaurs...and everyone just "not noticing"...or perhaps the Daleks mastery of future Earth in "Day of the Daleks" being reset in a paradox...I never heard anyone accusing the series producers or writers doing "damage"...these are some of the best thought of stories of Classic Who. |
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You guys are all entitled to your opinions, as there can be no wrong opinions.
But remember that to most people, RTD didn't damage Doctor Who, he brought it back and made it a success. And if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even have bothered with watching Doctor Who. have you conducted a poll to prove this assertion?
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I am talking about RTD becuase you mentioned him first.
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"Most people"??
have you conducted a poll to prove this assertion? ![]() So I would have to make that judgment based on the number of people who have watched Doctor Who, the Audience Appreciation results, and to a lesser extent the reviews. You don't like RTD's Doctor Who, that's fine, I'm not going to attack you. I didn't like some of it. But you have to acknowledge that overall, the public have liked the past five years of Doctor Who. |
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This might be used to explain why Harry van Statten and the rest in the episode Dalek did not know what a Dalek was.
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No you did - nerdy nerdy ner ner - he he you're it, all fall down...ahem, ready to leave the playground (given your ridiculous Benny Hill thread I sure hope so, you're coming across there as something slightly unpleasant involving a mackintosh)
The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into. |
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You mentioned RTD in post 2 and I mentioned him in post 4.
The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners I think that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into. |
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You mentioned RTD in post 2 and I mentioned him in post 4.
The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into. |
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Or, just a HUGE reset button that RTD would have been maligned for for ever more had he employed it
One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that The reason I personally was so convinced that a reset would happen at the end of 10s era was that due to all the massive invasions etc that made humans aware of aliens, it detached the story from our world. What I mean is my inner kid likes to think that the Doctor could be having all these adventures for real in our world but all these planet scale disasters/invasions made that impossible to believe or hope. Also it makes it easy to reintroduce the master if he so wishes and other things. In fact it just gives him a cleaner slate on which to write the stories he wants |
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I think it's a genius idea because it allows stephen moffat to be really selective in what he chooses to change and reset and for that it is a clever plot device.
The reason I personally was so convinced that a reset would happen at the end of 10s era was that due to all the massive invasions etc that made humans aware of aliens, it detached the story from our world. What I mean is my inner kid likes to think that the Doctor could be having all these adventures for real in our world but all these planet scale disasters/invasions made that impossible to believe or hope. Also it makes it easy to reintroduce the master if he so wishes and other things. In fact it just gives him a cleaner slate on which to write the stories he wants |
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The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into.
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that's exactly what I meant, and I like RTD just prefered the more intimate stories and always thought that these huge invasions would create problems for future writers trying to tell stories where earth of our time period was fully aware of aliens
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Cybermen, Daleks, Yeti, Dinosaurs, Giant Maggots, Zygons (Scarasen in the Thames),...it was ever thus and ever more will be - what is it about this new series that suddenly makes people have to be negative about what's gone before - what is so wrong with simply enjoying a programme that they purport to be a fan of for it's own sake?
Ultimately Doctor Who must be fresh and new and have the best stories that the writer can create, not stories hamstrung by a 40 year plot plotline. Again I'll repeat, a genius plot device. |
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You do know this is a drama...it's not "our time period" it's fiction, that's why the writers can go anywhere and do anything they wish whether we like it or not.
Yes but the story always starts from our modern world with a companion from our world. You could have it set as an alternate earth where people are aware of aliens but where's the fun in that for kids (or me) there are 8 years olds in bed tonight wondering if that creapy staue down the road will get them or if the Doctor is out there protecting the world.If you start making the earth in Doctor Who aware of aliens then you take that away from them, spoilsport |
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Just to point out - isn't Eleven now trying to return history to its 'proper' state? Eg. he's trying to recover the history of the Daleks invading Earth etc. In other words, he's trying to restore RTD's canon.
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Just to point out - isn't Eleven now trying to return history to its 'proper' state? Eg. he's trying to recover the history of the Daleks invading Earth etc. In other words, he's trying to restore RTD's canon.
Watch the ep again. See the look of serendipity and joy on his face when he realised time could be "un-written". |
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next you'll be telling me Santa doesn't exist
Yes but the story always starts from our modern world with a companion from our world. You could have it set as an alternate earth where people are aware of aliens but where's the fun in that for kids (or me) there are 8 years olds in bed tonight wondering if that creapy staue down the road will get them or if the Doctor is out there protecting the world.If you start making the earth in Doctor Who aware of aliens then you take that away from them, spoilsport Course the best thing would be for some writer to come with an explanation as to why there is a show called Doctor Who on TV. Then it would be very realistic.
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And whatever corners people perceive RTD to have written DW into, SM still opened with a full on alien invasion of Earth by the Atraxi!
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No.
Watch the ep again. See the look of serendipity and joy on his face when he realised time could be "un-written". |
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One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that
Yes but the story always starts from our modern world with a companion from our world. You could have it set as an alternate earth where people are aware of aliens but where's the fun in that for kids (or me) there are 8 years olds in bed tonight wondering if that creapy staue down the road will get them or if the Doctor is out there protecting the world.
Then it would be very realistic.