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Old 01-05-2010, 23:43
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some including myself speculated if moffat would somehow reset RTDs era, and I have to say he's hit on a great idea to get rid of the troublesome elements such as massive invasions and earthlings knowledge of aliens without deleting 9 & 10s history. in fact any part of Who continuity that the Moff doesn't like, he can now jetteson and blame it on the crack.
Genius idea
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Old 01-05-2010, 23:46
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some including myself speculated if moffat would somehow reset RTDs era, and I have to say he's hit on a great idea to get rid of the troublesome elements such as massive invasions and earthlings knowledge of aliens without deleting 9 & 10s history. in fact any part of Who continuity that the Moff doesn't like, he can now jetteson and blame it on the crack.
Genius idea
Or, just a HUGE reset button that RTD would have been maligned for for ever more had he employed it One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that
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Old 01-05-2010, 23:51
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If some of RTD's 'ideas' hadn't been so repellent a massive reset wouldn't actually be necessary.
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Old 01-05-2010, 23:56
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Or, just a HUGE reset button that RTD would have been maligned for for ever more had he employed it One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that
RTD didnt need to use reset buttons - he could have simply resolved his stories properly OR (and this would have been better drama) actually showed us the consequences and aftermaths of huge alien invasions etc.

Moffat DOES need to use this chance of a reset to undo all the damage RTD has done.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:01
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RTD didnt need to use reset buttons - he could have simply resolved his stories properly OR (and this would have been better drama) actually showed us the consequences and aftermaths of huge alien invasions etc.

Moffat DOES need to use this chance of a reset to undo all the damage RTD has done.
poppycock, how I've missed your submissions (sorry, these bloomin keyboard keys will keep sticking when I type)...

...you are presumably talking about the triumph that was the 1st Doctor dumping his Granddaughter on a slaughtered world with a stranger and never bothering to go back and check she was okay as "aftermaths"...or London being evacuated for Cybermen, Yeti, Dinosaurs...and everyone just "not noticing"...or perhaps the Daleks mastery of future Earth in "Day of the Daleks" being reset in a paradox...I never heard anyone accusing the series producers or writers doing "damage"...these are some of the best thought of stories of Classic Who.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:03
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RTD didnt need to use reset buttons - he could have simply resolved his stories properly OR (and this would have been better drama) actually showed us the consequences and aftermaths of huge alien invasions etc.

Moffat DOES need to use this chance of a reset to undo all the damage RTD has done.
You guys are all entitled to your opinions, as there can be no wrong opinions.

But remember that to most people, RTD didn't damage Doctor Who, he brought it back and made it a success.

And if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even have bothered with watching Doctor Who.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:03
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poppycock, how I've missed your submissions (sorry, these bloomin keyboard keys will keep sticking when I type)...

...you are presumably talking about the triumph that was the 1st Doctor dumping his Granddaughter on a slaughtered world with a stranger and never bothering to go back and check she was okay as "aftermaths"...or London being evacuated for Cybermen, Yeti, Dinosaurs...and everyone just "not noticing"...or perhaps the Daleks mastery of future Earth in "Day of the Daleks" being reset in a paradox...I never heard anyone accusing the series producers or writers doing "damage"...these are some of the best thought of stories of Classic Who.
I am talking about RTD becuase you mentioned him first.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:04
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You guys are all entitled to your opinions, as there can be no wrong opinions.

But remember that to most people, RTD didn't damage Doctor Who, he brought it back and made it a success.

And if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even have bothered with watching Doctor Who.
"Most people"??

have you conducted a poll to prove this assertion?
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:07
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I am talking about RTD becuase you mentioned him first.
No you did - nerdy nerdy ner ner - he he you're it, all fall down...ahem, ready to leave the playground (given your ridiculous Benny Hill thread I sure hope so, you're coming across there as something slightly unpleasant involving a mackintosh)
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:09
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"Most people"??

have you conducted a poll to prove this assertion?
A poll on this forum wouldn't be most people, or even average people.

So I would have to make that judgment based on the number of people who have watched Doctor Who, the Audience Appreciation results, and to a lesser extent the reviews.

You don't like RTD's Doctor Who, that's fine, I'm not going to attack you. I didn't like some of it.

But you have to acknowledge that overall, the public have liked the past five years of Doctor Who.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:10
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This might be used to explain why Harry van Statten and the rest in the episode Dalek did not know what a Dalek was.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:15
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No you did - nerdy nerdy ner ner - he he you're it, all fall down...ahem, ready to leave the playground (given your ridiculous Benny Hill thread I sure hope so, you're coming across there as something slightly unpleasant involving a mackintosh)
You mentioned RTD in post 2 and I mentioned him in post 4.

The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:18
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You mentioned RTD in post 2 and I mentioned him in post 4.

The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners I think that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into.
Changed that there for you.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:20
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You mentioned RTD in post 2 and I mentioned him in post 4.

The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into.
The four corners of the universe you mean? Or the corners that created the Time lords and then rewrote their history several times, the corners that rewrote Dalek history and timelines over and over, the corners that gave a cap to regeneration, the corners that had London repeatedly attacked but conveniently left unscathed with its population with amnesia, the corners that...actually, before I go on: I know you've seen episodes unbroadcast, but you did actually watch Classic Who didn't you?
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:24
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Or, just a HUGE reset button that RTD would have been maligned for for ever more had he employed it One man's Deus ex Machina is apparently another man's genius"...odd that
I think it's a genius idea because it allows stephen moffat to be really selective in what he chooses to change and reset and for that it is a clever plot device.
The reason I personally was so convinced that a reset would happen at the end of 10s era was that due to all the massive invasions etc that made humans aware of aliens, it detached the story from our world. What I mean is my inner kid likes to think that the Doctor could be having all these adventures for real in our world but all these planet scale disasters/invasions made that impossible to believe or hope.
Also it makes it easy to reintroduce the master if he so wishes and other things.
In fact it just gives him a cleaner slate on which to write the stories he wants
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:28
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I think it's a genius idea because it allows stephen moffat to be really selective in what he chooses to change and reset and for that it is a clever plot device.
The reason I personally was so convinced that a reset would happen at the end of 10s era was that due to all the massive invasions etc that made humans aware of aliens, it detached the story from our world. What I mean is my inner kid likes to think that the Doctor could be having all these adventures for real in our world but all these planet scale disasters/invasions made that impossible to believe or hope.
Also it makes it easy to reintroduce the master if he so wishes and other things.
In fact it just gives him a cleaner slate on which to write the stories he wants
Cybermen, Daleks, Yeti, Dinosaurs, Giant Maggots, Zygons (Scarasen in the Thames),...it was ever thus and ever more will be - what is it about this new series that suddenly makes people have to be negative about what's gone before - what is so wrong with simply enjoying a programme that they purport to be a fan of for it's own sake?
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:29
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The thread is about Moffat using resets becuase of the corners that RTDs stories have pushed Dr Who into.
that's exactly what I meant, and I like RTD just prefered the more intimate stories and always thought that these huge invasions would create problems for future writers trying to tell stories where earth of our time period was fully aware of aliens
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:32
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that's exactly what I meant, and I like RTD just prefered the more intimate stories and always thought that these huge invasions would create problems for future writers trying to tell stories where earth of our time period was fully aware of aliens
You do know this is a drama...it's not "our time period" it's fiction, that's why the writers can go anywhere and do anything they wish whether we like it or not.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:36
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Cybermen, Daleks, Yeti, Dinosaurs, Giant Maggots, Zygons (Scarasen in the Thames),...it was ever thus and ever more will be - what is it about this new series that suddenly makes people have to be negative about what's gone before - what is so wrong with simply enjoying a programme that they purport to be a fan of for it's own sake?
never watched the old series but like I said I think it makes it harder for new stories when the whole world knows about aliens for the reasons I've stated, plus I think with 40+ years of continuity they needed to introduce a device that prevents the writer of a story from being beholden to some obscure event that happened 30 years ago.
Ultimately Doctor Who must be fresh and new and have the best stories that the writer can create, not stories hamstrung by a 40 year plot plotline.
Again I'll repeat, a genius plot device.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:41
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You do know this is a drama...it's not "our time period" it's fiction, that's why the writers can go anywhere and do anything they wish whether we like it or not.
next you'll be telling me Santa doesn't exist Yes but the story always starts from our modern world with a companion from our world. You could have it set as an alternate earth where people are aware of aliens but where's the fun in that for kids (or me) there are 8 years olds in bed tonight wondering if that creapy staue down the road will get them or if the Doctor is out there protecting the world.
If you start making the earth in Doctor Who aware of aliens then you take that away from them, spoilsport
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:44
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Just to point out - isn't Eleven now trying to return history to its 'proper' state? Eg. he's trying to recover the history of the Daleks invading Earth etc. In other words, he's trying to restore RTD's canon.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:46
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Just to point out - isn't Eleven now trying to return history to its 'proper' state? Eg. he's trying to recover the history of the Daleks invading Earth etc. In other words, he's trying to restore RTD's canon.
No.

Watch the ep again. See the look of serendipity and joy on his face when he realised time could be "un-written".
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:46
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next you'll be telling me Santa doesn't exist Yes but the story always starts from our modern world with a companion from our world. You could have it set as an alternate earth where people are aware of aliens but where's the fun in that for kids (or me) there are 8 years olds in bed tonight wondering if that creapy staue down the road will get them or if the Doctor is out there protecting the world.
If you start making the earth in Doctor Who aware of aliens then you take that away from them, spoilsport
I understand what you're saying, you can either have a setting where aliens are normal, making it hard for the audience to relate to the world, or you have a setting where aliens are unknown, like this world, giving it that edge of realism. So occasional 'resets' (I hate that word, it's never a reset for the characters themselves) are a good thing.

Course the best thing would be for some writer to come with an explanation as to why there is a show called Doctor Who on TV. Then it would be very realistic.
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:46
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And whatever corners people perceive RTD to have written DW into, SM still opened with a full on alien invasion of Earth by the Atraxi!
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Old 02-05-2010, 00:50
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No.

Watch the ep again. See the look of serendipity and joy on his face when he realised time could be "un-written".
It was interesting that moment. It could have related to the Time War, the deaths of the people around him, or even his own death at the hands of River Song (okay not confirmed, but who else do you think is the best man she's ever known?).
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