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Back to the thread, I like the fighting with the braces- never have they been better used! I thought it was a bit odd at first, but then it was funny!
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She was a stripogram after all
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That's a rather species-ist and ageist point of view...
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are you saying you find the idea that the Doctor could find them attractive odd
I’m not saying the love story was wrong — I liked what RTD did, and I liked the tenth Doctor. But it was a departure from the usual mould of Doctors, who are much less capable of being romantically involved with humans, because they are “old and wise” and it’s a different dynamic. I’m just pleased we’re seeing a return to this dynamic: that the “Doctor in love” was a temporary phase, rather than a permanent change to the character. Maybe a future Doctor will fall in love with a human again. I wouldn’t be against that. But for now I’m happy that this Doctor is different. He reminds me of Doctors of the past. I think Moffat is trying to reintroduce some of the old-school elements back into the show. |
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He didn't complain when Rose told him she loved him.
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And yet he didn't return the favour. When the half-Doctor appeared he was quick to pass her off on that one, precisely because he knew her only chance at happiness was with him and not the original.
I don't think there's any doubted that the feelings they had for each other were real but so were the boundaries. I mean the Doctor was so happy when Rose came back but then of course Clone Doctor came along making a lasting relationship possible but not with a TimeLord who doesn't age and live in the way a human does. |
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I loved the scene. Fresh and new. Totally uncharted territory for DW. A brilliant character moment, and totally believable. The series continues to surprise me. I have skipped over the few posts, above that mention the tenth Doctor and Rose, because that story underlines why this new stuff is so good: Tenth/Rose was stale, repetitive and boring (for me). Humanising the Doctor weakened him. All that "I wuv you Doctor" stuff. Yawn.
The eleventh Doctor and Amy are so full of surprises, while the tenth Doctor and Rose were so full of repeats. |
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I loved the scene. Fresh and new. Totally uncharted territory for DW. A brilliant character moment, and totally believable. The series continues to surprise me. I have skipped over the few posts, above that mention the tenth Doctor and Rose, because that story underlines why this new stuff is so good: Tenth/Rose was stale, repetitive and boring (for me). Humanising the Doctor weakened him. All that "I wuv you Doctor" stuff. Yawn.
The eleventh Doctor and Amy are so full of surprises, while the tenth Doctor and Rose were so full of repeats. ). I hope we don't have Amy jumping the doctor on a continuous basis now![]() .
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I wonder if Dr 7 and Ace got up to anything.
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I wonder if Dr 7 and Ace got up to anything.
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I wonder if Dr 7 and Ace got up to anything.
![]() ![]() I always thought Dr 3 and Jo had something going ![]() .
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It was set up when she "checked him out" in The Eleventh Hour that Amy was a feisty young woman with healthy appetites who would certainly consider giving the Doctor a bit of a "Test Drive", so the final scene in Flesh and Stone is entirely within character.
She's just had a "near death experience", the intimacy of that shared experience prompting her confession to The Doctor about running away on the eve of her wedding, plus there's the adrenaline rush of survival and a desire to celebrate life so it's no suprise that she's feeling a bit frisky and launches herself at someone to whom she now feels even more closely connected. I thought it was a great scene as it managed to illustrate the excitement and relief of surviving the Angels, added some colour to Amy's strengthening relationship with the Doctor, and managed to shoehorn in the first realisation by the Doctor himself, that Amy is key to the unfolding "time crack" events. It was also funny and beautifully played by Smith and Gillan, IMO. |
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the Tardis was seen in Martha's flat in The Lazarus Experiment. and yes Karen Gillan is rather cute.
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In an attempt to clear something up, are you saying you find the idea that the Doctor could find them attractive odd, but not them liking him?
Personally, I go with the idea that after Tennant's Doctor said goodbye to Rose in parallel world, leaving her with 10.5, he realised he couldn't have a relationship with a human. He pointed out that, the reason why he left him with her, was because he could age and would die like her, whereas he wouldn't and would long outlive her and anyone else that he had a relationship with. That's what he's on about with the bit about his age and being a Time Lord compared to her being a human, anything long term couldn't happen as it's inevitable that he'd long outlive them, and when they're 80 and grey he'd maybe look, what, 10 years older? And still have hundreds of years left on that regeneration alone. On topic, I also liked the scene. Very fitting to Moffat's humour. Quote:
Nope. For all the Doctor's faffing about, he doesn't come across as particualrly 'grand and mysterious' in this scene, just a little... surprised. He makes loads of excuses, sure, but he doesn't seem to be fighting Amy off that much.. and he definitely starts to kiss her back for a second or two before his moral code kicks in, cos Amy is engaged after all.
But if she wasn't? I reckon he'd have gone for it! And frankly, who could blame him?! ![]() Quote:
Oh, and I should point out that the Tenth Doctor also knew a relationship between him and Rose wouldn't have worked out either - he just never had to fend her off!
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He didn't complain when Rose told him she loved him.
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Interesting! Which episode you were in?
Maybe the script actually said “kissogram”, but every man who watched that episode heard “stripogram” and immediately started to imagine her taking her WPC outfit off. I think it’s fairly obvious that if this wasn’t a kids’ show, Moffat would have made the character a stripper. But people would have complained that a stripper companion was a bad role model. I just mean that they couldn’t have children because they’re different species. They’re not physically compatible. As for the age, it’s not so much about the age gap as the fact that they age completely differently; it’s just another fundamental difference making them incompatible. Well first of all, I don’t think any Doctor is interested in physical appearance. What the tenth Doctor felt for Rose was clearly love, based on her personality, rather than physical attraction. I’m not saying the love story was wrong — I liked what RTD did, and I liked the tenth Doctor. But it was a departure from the usual mould of Doctors, who are much less capable of being romantically involved with humans, because they are “old and wise” and it’s a different dynamic. I’m just pleased we’re seeing a return to this dynamic: that the “Doctor in love” was a temporary phase, rather than a permanent change to the character. Maybe a future Doctor will fall in love with a human again. I wouldn’t be against that. But for now I’m happy that this Doctor is different. He reminds me of Doctors of the past. I think Moffat is trying to reintroduce some of the old-school elements back into the show. Did you actually watch series 4???? What Moff has done is nothng new at all....actually going back to series 3....the Tenth Doctor fended off Martha's flirting, and didn't even look at her as some attractive young woman, when Martha tried to convince him that she only said she loved him in Family of Blood was just so she could get John Smith to change, he was quick to not go over the subject too much, and carry on just being friends with her....and then in series 4, he made sure Donna didn't see him anymore than a friend! So no Moff has done nothing new....as pointed out by someone, and as confirmed by the Doctor himself on Saturday, he believes it can't work because he will not grow older while Amy would....its exactly what he said to Rose as well, and the reason why he ended up giving her the clone....so again nothing new..... Quote:
I loved the scene. Fresh and new. Totally uncharted territory for DW. A brilliant character moment, and totally believable. The series continues to surprise me. I have skipped over the few posts, above that mention the tenth Doctor and Rose, because that story underlines why this new stuff is so good: Tenth/Rose was stale, repetitive and boring (for me). Humanising the Doctor weakened him. All that "I wuv you Doctor" stuff. Yawn.
The eleventh Doctor and Amy are so full of surprises, while the tenth Doctor and Rose were so full of repeats. |
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Did you actually watch series 4???? What Moff has done is nothng new at all....actually going back to series 3....
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Seriously Chuff...if anything is getting boring, its you saying things that didn't really happen....Rose never said that at all! She said "I love you!" and only once!!!
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I think he meant old-school elements of the Doctor in general, not this specifically..
Oh I know he meant in terms of Old -school...and that is what I mean by pointing out series 3 and 4...that Moff isn't the first to take it back to that point..... Quote:
Again, I don't think it was meant to be taken as a specific quote, just as the general tone of the relationship between Rose and the Doc
Nope....chuff has said it many times before....and its always the "I wuv you Doctor" and also has in the past said that the Doctor has said "I wuv you rose"....but seems to have stopped the latter when pointed out that the Doc never said that....
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the isue of unrequited love between Rose and the Doc was well done, although Rose only told him once, she expressed it in other ways, a jealous glare when she met Sarah Jane, the look of shock when he tells he was once a father. I also think that he did love Rose, the end of Doomsday showed that, risking the existence of the universe for a goodbye call.
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I personally liked the scene, when I originally heard about it I thought it would be cringeworthy, but it was actually very funny.
Plus, as numerous other posters have said, the sort of character Amy is, its quite believable she would behave that way. I think she was just having a moment, and now that Rory's going to with travelling them I doubt she'll be trying it again |
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Oh I know he meant in terms of Old -school...and that is what I mean by pointing out series 3 and 4...that Moff isn't the first to take it back to that point.....
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Yes, but what I was saying was that I took it to mean elements other than the romantic ones.
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I loved the scene. Fresh and new. Totally uncharted territory for DW. A brilliant character moment, and totally believable. The series continues to surprise me. I have skipped over the few posts, above that mention the tenth Doctor and Rose, because that story underlines why this new stuff is so good: Tenth/Rose was stale, repetitive and boring (for me). Humanising the Doctor weakened him. All that "I wuv you Doctor" stuff. Yawn.
The eleventh Doctor and Amy are so full of surprises, while the tenth Doctor and Rose were so full of repeats. I thought that this scene was actually funny - Amy decides she may as well shag the Doctor since she's going to die anyway if she stays with him and as she rightly says she wasn't looking for a long term commitment. It was odd plonked there at the end of these episodes but it was almost as if Moffat is drawing a line under this speculation which has been there since Eccleston and Piper said that the Doctor and Rose loved each other. They did in series one - the superior acting in this series showed that - but RTD seemed to pick up that batten and wave it around far too much with Tennant. There is no love story or inequality here (the Doctor has said how great Amy is a lot but we've heard little on what she thinks of him except she doesn't trust him) - Amy knows that anything is temporary and not made from love (she's a hen wanting a last fling?) and just to be certain why it's not a love story the Doctor underlines the reasons why this cannot be. |
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Yes I know, what i meant was the Grand Dizzy was saying that Moff was re-introducing that other "element"....and I was saying that RTD had been there done that with Donna....
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It was set up when she "checked him out" in The Eleventh Hour that Amy was a feisty young woman with healthy appetites who would certainly consider giving the Doctor a bit of a "Test Drive", so the final scene in Flesh and Stone is entirely within character.
![]() I had completely forgotten about that scene, but as you point out, the scene of her watching the Doctor getting changed was a massive clue that Amy has a healthy sexual appetite. Quote:
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Did you actually watch series 4????
What I’m saying is that the tenth Doctor decided to avoid romance, whereas the eleventh Doctor has no interest in it. The tenth Doctor said things like: “I’ve just snogged Madame de Pompadour!”. He had the capacity to fall for human women. This Doctor (like all previous Doctors) doesn’t seem to have that capacity. Quote:
I think he meant old-school elements of the Doctor in general, not this specifically.
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What I’m saying is that the tenth Doctor decided to avoid romance, whereas the eleventh Doctor has no interest in it.
The tenth Doctor said things like: “I’ve just snogged Madame de Pompadour!”. He had the capacity to fall for human women. This Doctor (like all previous Doctors) doesn’t seem to have that capacity. |
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Just to add another in-character moment, uh, thingy in here... Amy had just spent some time in the presence of River Song who was acting very very much as if she was the Doctors wife, something the man himself didn't exactly go out of his way to deny or speechify against. That would certainly have supported any thoughts she may have been having about the Doctor being up for a little extra-curricular activity.
Oh, and just to reference something mentioned further upthread about previous companion / Doctor relationships being non-sexual... I refer you to this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...Fuel/DoctorWho Might not have been anything overt but good god people took a lot away from those stories... |
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It reminded me of when new Who came back and it was okay for the Ninth doctor to hold hands, hug Rose and kiss her - it was only watching previous series that I realised how important physical contact is and how it was missing. Nine and Rose were far more interesting that Ten and Rose. Nine had a whole emotional agony thing going on there that made it far more interesting and gave it depth. Ten and Rose was very tedious and seemed to be tacked on to make fans of 'wuv you' happy!
I thought that this scene was actually funny - Amy decides she may as well shag the Doctor since she's going to die anyway if she stays with him and as she rightly says she wasn't looking for a long term commitment. It was odd plonked there at the end of these episodes but it was almost as if Moffat is drawing a line under this speculation which has been there since Eccleston and Piper said that the Doctor and Rose loved each other. They did in series one - the superior acting in this series showed that - but RTD seemed to pick up that batten and wave it around far too much with Tennant. There is no love story or inequality here (the Doctor has said how great Amy is a lot but we've heard little on what she thinks of him except she doesn't trust him) - Amy knows that anything is temporary and not made from love (she's a hen wanting a last fling?) and just to be certain why it's not a love story the Doctor underlines the reasons why this cannot be. I'm not sure if that makes sense....if Nine and and Rose were in Love with each other...why the hell would Ten carrying that on being tacked on for so called fans? Surely the reason some were fans of the pair was because they beleived in the relatioship just like you did for Nine and Rose. It was taken that ten times higher in series 2 because Rose had taken the Doctor out of his shell by then, and on top of that it was arc that they thought they would be togther forever....so it was to prepeare for their doom that was round the corner....it was supposed to be smug, and not as subtle as that what was between Nine and Rose....but even they had large amounts of flirting at times. The love relatioship started off with Nine, and carried on with Ten...which makes sense as they are essentially the same person. Quote:
I’m not saying the tenth Doctor was a womaniser, but he did fall in love (three times, sort of). He obviously learnt a lesson from Rose, and it hurt him, and he decided to avoid romance in future. But I still think the tenth Doctor was fundamentally predisposed to falling in love because of his personality: he was a much more human, pally, down-to-earth Doctor than any of the others, and by that very nature he was more likely to become romantically entangled with women.. Apart Rose....and the so called love affair with Renette...who else did he fall for? Joan? Nope that was John Smith was the one to fall in love, and as John Smith points out that he seemed quite shocked by the idea that Doctor didn't think that he may fall in love....so the Tenth Doctor also doesn't think about/worry that he may became entagnled with other women. Quote:
What I’m saying is that the tenth Doctor decided to avoid romance, whereas the eleventh Doctor has no interest in it.
How do you know the Eleventh Doctor doesn't have any interest? His reasons were that it wasn't going to work long time....which has been established by the Tenth Doctor anyway...and when Amy did kiss him, there was a point where he didn't seem to be that in a hurry to push her away....The Tenth Doctor like I said didn't even notice Martha's beauty....in fact I don't think he even looked at Rose in that way....it was just Reinnnete.... Quote:
The tenth Doctor said things like: “I’ve just snogged Madame de Pompadour!”. He had the capacity to fall for human women. This Doctor (like all previous Doctors) doesn’t seem to have that capacity.
Considering that Moff wrote that...and since then any kissing that the Tenth Doctor has been involved in he hasn't boasted about....its clear that its Moff who first wanted to write the Doctor as being interested, and now he supposedly isn't....and there isn't nothing to suggest that the Eleventh Doctor can't fall for a human....it could easily be the same excuse that the Tenth Doctor was ususing to avoid relationships as you put. Quote:
That’s right. When I said “Moffat is trying to reintroduce some of the old-school elements back into the show” I wasn’t specifically talking about the Doctor’s capacity for love
Again, there is nothing to suggest that the 11th Doctor can't fall in love....all he did was refuse as he kept saying "but your Amy!" as in he didn't expect her to be like that with him....he was suprised. The most funniest bit was the fact that when he tells her he is 907 years old, and she says does that mean its been a long time....he first says "yeah.." before saying no ![]() Quote:
I don't think he's uninterested. 9 was born from war, and this showed with his attitude. 10 was born from love for Rose and sacrifice for her, so it makes sense he's a bit more flirty and sexual in his attitude. Plus he's never getting any from his own species, and assumedly would have needs. After the loss of Rose though, he knows nothing he could do would be permanent (hence he still gets a bit of action, like with Queen Elizabeth). 11 knew Amy as a kid, and still looks for Amelia in there. If he's looking for the child in her, he still somewhat sees her as that child, so it's no wonder he doesn't look at her in that way, and then finds out shes engaged and isn't the sort of man to get between that.
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Just to add another in-character moment, uh, thingy in here... Amy had just spent some time in the presence of River Song who was acting very very much as if she was the Doctors wife, something the man himself didn't exactly go out of his way to deny or speechify against. That would certainly have supported any thoughts she may have been having about the Doctor being up for a little extra-curricular activity.
Oh, and just to reference something mentioned further upthread about previous companion / Doctor relationships being non-sexual... I refer you to this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...Fuel/DoctorWho Might not have been anything overt but good god people took a lot away from those stories... I'm never gonna be able to look at any of the show in the same way!!!!!
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I'm not sure if that makes sense....if Nine and and Rose were in Love with each other...why the hell would Ten carrying that on being tacked on for so called fans? Surely the reason some were fans of the pair was because they beleived in the relatioship just like you did for Nine and Rose. It was taken that ten times higher in series 2 because Rose had taken the Doctor out of his shell by then, and on top of that it was arc that they thought they would be togther forever....so it was to prepeare for their doom that was round the corner....it was supposed to be smug, and not as subtle as that what was between Nine and Rose....but even they had large amounts of flirting at times. The love relatioship started off with Nine, and carried on with Ten...which makes sense as they are essentially the same person.
Apart Rose....and the so called love affair with Renette...who else did he fall for? Joan? Nope that was John Smith was the one to fall in love, and as John Smith points out that he seemed quite shocked by the idea that Doctor didn't think that he may fall in love....so the Tenth Doctor also doesn't think about/worry that he may became entagnled with other women. How do you know the Eleventh Doctor doesn't have any interest? His reasons were that it wasn't going to work long time....which has been established by the Tenth Doctor anyway...and when Amy did kiss him, there was a point where he didn't seem to be that in a hurry to push her away....The Tenth Doctor like I said didn't even notice Martha's beauty....in fact I don't think he even looked at Rose in that way....it was just Reinnnete.... Considering that Moff wrote that...and since then any kissing that the Tenth Doctor has been involved in he hasn't boasted about....its clear that its Moff who first wanted to write the Doctor as being interested, and now he supposedly isn't....and there isn't nothing to suggest that the Eleventh Doctor can't fall for a human....it could easily be the same excuse that the Tenth Doctor was ususing to avoid relationships as you put. Again, there is nothing to suggest that the 11th Doctor can't fall in love....all he did was refuse as he kept saying "but your Amy!" as in he didn't expect her to be like that with him....he was suprised. The most funniest bit was the fact that when he tells her he is 907 years old, and she says does that mean its been a long time....he first says "yeah.." before saying no ![]() Yep..... woah at that site!!!!! I'm never gonna be able to look at any of the show in the same way!!!!!![]()
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