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Old 03-05-2010, 16:45
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She only ever told him once, and that was when they both were about to separate what he thought as forever, he was hardly going to say to her...."oi, I'm not having you speak to me like that!" In fact he didn't even tell Donna of for saying "I bloody love you!" Because in the end Love is something different to being pounced on!!!
Yea but you still get the sense of how "alien" Human love is to him. Instead of going to Rose "I love you too" it's "quite right too" and "I suppose....." He had plenty of time if you think about it to say those 3 little words if he really wanted to and then say one last goodbye. But of course that wouldn't have been quite such a good script.
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Old 03-05-2010, 16:50
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Yea but you still get the sense of how "alien" Human love is to him. Instead of going to Rose "I love you too" it's "quite right too" and "I suppose....." He had plenty of time if you think about it to say those 3 little words if he really wanted to and then say one last goodbye. But of course that wouldn't have been quite such a good script.
Which I guess would add to the fact that Ten is not that more humanised than Eleven is completely Alien.
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Old 03-05-2010, 16:53
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I trust RTD's cheques are clearing?

Surely you could have come up with something better than that????

Rule 34 of the internet my friend...
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Old 03-05-2010, 16:57
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Surely you could have come up with something better than that????



Duly Noted!!!!!!!!(even if a bit too late)
Lol, nope.Can you?
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Old 03-05-2010, 16:58
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Which I guess would add to the fact that Ten is not that more humanised than Eleven is completely Alien.
Eleven is Alien because he is an Alien. Eleven reacted to Amy in the bedroom scene the way I would have reacted except for the bit about being 907 years old.
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Old 03-05-2010, 17:03
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I have no intention to dismiss my opinions.....

Eleven is Alien because he is an Alien. Eleven reacted to Amy in the bedroom scene the way I would have reacted except for the bit about being 907 years old.
What? So you don't deny that your an alien???


Lol what I meant by Eleven not being completely alien was in terms of the way he reacts, any more than Ten was supposedly Human, in fact I find the way he comforts Amy with the kiss on the forehead a very human comforting reaction, I just can't imagine Ten doing that, he can hug, but I don't think he is that comfortable with such things...obviously Eleven is an alien....as is Ten, and Nine, and Eight and...well you get the picture!!!
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Old 03-05-2010, 17:05
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As Moffat himself said: is it really so strange to think that some of the Doctor’s companions might have found him attractive?
Only when the Doctor is Matt Smith.
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Old 03-05-2010, 17:17
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I'm not sure if that makes sense....if Nine and and Rose were in Love with each other...why the hell would Ten carrying that on being tacked on for so called fans? Surely the reason some were fans of the pair was because they beleived in the relatioship just like you did for Nine and Rose. It was taken that ten times higher in series 2 because Rose had taken the Doctor out of his shell by then, and on top of that it was arc that they thought they would be togther forever....so it was to prepeare for their doom that was round the corner....it was supposed to be smug, and not as subtle as that what was between Nine and Rose....but even they had large amounts of flirting at times. The love relatioship started off with Nine, and carried on with Ten...which makes sense as they are essentially the same person.
Just my opinion *shrug* We all see the programme differently - I think it was so full on with series 2 up until Rose finally left but then, as I've already said elsewhere I was no fan of Tennant.
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Old 03-05-2010, 17:20
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What? So you don't deny that your an alien???

lol i wasn't being clear, sorry. What I meant was I would have reacted in much the same way as 11 did to someone coming onto me in the way that Amy did the Doctor. A Human and TimeLord is hardly the winning formula to a long lasting relationship but neither is someone like me who has no desire for a relationship and have always been uncomfortable with the idea of dealing with lines and come ons by girls, relationships and settling down... despite my obvious and unblemished heterosexuality.

Lol what I meant by Eleven not being completely alien was in terms of the way he reacts, any more than Ten was supposedly Human, in fact I find the way he comforts Amy with the kiss on the forehead a very human comforting reaction, I just can't imagine Ten doing that, he can hug, but I don't think he is that comfortable with such things...obviously Eleven is an alien....as is Ten, and Nine, and Eight and...well you get the picture!!!
I don't think it's necessarily Alien for the Doctor to reject Amy's advances the way he did. I think he's more human than he ever has been, the forehead kissing scene just being one example. I think he just wants friendship like he did with Donna and I don't think the Doctor's reaction to the bed room scene makes him any less human and any more Time Lord.
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Old 03-05-2010, 17:38
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Back to the thread, I like the fighting with the braces- never have they been better used! I thought it was a bit odd at first, but then it was funny!
Yep, I loved the braces action too

No problems with that scene for me.
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Old 03-05-2010, 17:44
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Just my opinion *shrug* We all see the programme differently - I think it was so full on with series 2 up until Rose finally left but then, as I've already said elsewhere I was no fan of Tennant.

That is fine, if you didn't like the Tenth Doctor or his relationship with Rose...that is how you feel....what I was questioning was how Ten and Rose was tacked on, when it was nothing more than a continuation of what had gone before....and I admit it was full on, like I said it was the arc....thinking that they were forever going to be together, then time slaps them in the face

lol i wasn't being clear, sorry. What I meant was I would have reacted in much the same way as 11 did to someone coming onto me in the way that Amy did the Doctor. A Human and TimeLord is hardly the winning formula to a long lasting relationship but neither is someone like me who has no desire for a relationship and have always been uncomfortable with the idea of dealing with lines and come ons by girls, relationships and settling down... despite my obvious and unblemished heterosexuality.



I don't think it's necessarily Alien for the Doctor to reject Amy's advances the way he did. I think he's more human than he ever has been, the forehead kissing scene just being one example. I think he just wants friendship like he did with Donna and I don't think the Doctor's reaction to the bed room scene makes him any less human and any more Time Lord.
I agree, him reacting in that way doesn't make him any more "alien"....humans too can react that way....like yourself!! Although I am still not convinced your human....I mean the name doesn't help!!!
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Old 03-05-2010, 18:03
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I agree, him reacting in that way doesn't make him any more "alien"....humans too can react that way....like yourself!! Although I am still not convinced your human....I mean the name doesn't help!!!
As much as I'd like to think that I'm a Time Lord in control of a Type 40 TARDIS.... it just aint true.
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Old 03-05-2010, 18:36
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As much as I'd like to think that I'm a Time Lord in control of a Type 40 TARDIS.... it just aint true.
Ofcourse you haven't got the Tardis....I stole it!!!!


By the way, I never did mention on tjis thread....I loved this scene!!!!
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Old 03-05-2010, 18:45
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lol i wasn't being clear, sorry. What I meant was I would have reacted in much the same way as 11 did to someone coming onto me in the way that Amy did the Doctor. A Human and TimeLord is hardly the winning formula to a long lasting relationship but neither is someone like me who has no desire for a relationship and have always been uncomfortable with the idea of dealing with lines and come ons by girls, relationships and settling down... despite my obvious and unblemished heterosexuality.

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Don't be such a cliched Dr Who fan

Anyway, as the Dr is an alien, shagging Amy would be like shagging your pet dog. It just doesn't work between species
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Old 03-05-2010, 18:48
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Don't be such a cliched Dr Who fan

Anyway, as the Dr is an alien, shagging Amy would be like shagging your pet dog. It just doesn't work between species
Yes but a human and a dog have completely different features on top...we don't know how close physically Time Lords are to humans....after all the Doctor did say to Amy that she looks Time Lord....no one would say to their pet dog "You look human"
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Old 03-05-2010, 18:54
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Yes but a human and a dog have completely different features on top...we don't know how close physically Time Lords are to humans....after all the Doctor did say to Amy that she looks Time Lord....no one would say to their pet dog "You look human"
Some humans look like dogs though
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Old 03-05-2010, 19:29
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How do you know the Eleventh Doctor doesn't have any interest?
He seemed positively disgusted when she came onto him. But it’s only my interpretation that he’s not a kissing man.

Considering that Moff wrote that...and since then any kissing that the Tenth Doctor has been involved in he hasn't boasted about....its clear that its Moff who first wanted to write the Doctor as being interested, and now he supposedly isn't
That is precisely the point I’ve been trying to make. Steven Moffat wrote both “The Girl In The Fireplace” and “Flesh and Stone”. So the difference in how the Doctor reacts to a kiss can’t be attributed to a different writing style — clearly Steven Moffat has made a conscious decision to change how the Doctor is with women, making him more like the Doctors of old.
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Old 03-05-2010, 19:57
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He seemed positively disgusted when she came onto him. But it’s only my interpretation that he’s not a kissing man..

Ahh but he kissed her back!!!

And I'd say he was shocked...not disgusted, he couldn't beleive Amy was thinking about him like that...little Amy....


That is precisely the point I’ve been trying to make. Steven Moffat wrote both “The Girl In The Fireplace” and “Flesh and Stone”. So the difference in how the Doctor reacts to a kiss can’t be attributed to a different writing style — clearly Steven Moffat has made a conscious decision to change how the Doctor is with women, making him more like the Doctors of old.
But he was the one to make the Tenth Doctor enjoy the kiss between Reniette, in his fourth story, when not even RTD did that. So what I'm trying to say is that this is no sign of the fact that Moff wants to make Matt's Doctor into a non-kissing man....just not Amy, after all he did make the Eleventh Doctor say "Rievr Song, I could Kiss you!" so for a non-kissing man...kissing isn't too far from his thoughts


And another thing to add to the non-difference between the reactions of the Tenth Doctor and Eleventh Doctor in terms of "kissing" is that apparently the Girl in the Fireplace was originaly written by Moff with the Ninth Doctor in mind, and I know for sure in confidentail, that the reason we saw that kiss was because Moffat wanted to have a kiss between the two characters...nothing to do with the Tenth Doctor's characteristics. If he wrote the GITF now, with eleven, he would have done the same....because the reason the Doctor enjoyed that kiss was because it was Madam de Pompudor....not because he enjoyed kissing humans...

All I am trying to say is that this "reaction" os the Doctor has nothing to do with Moff reverting the character back to old school style....the only way Matt resembles old school Doctors is his geniune madness, and dress sense....not the kissing or the romance, or heck even the vanity, because as with the clip of Vampires of Venice shows...Eleven says "hello handsome" when he looks in the mirror...

Maybe that is a bit like the whole "yep still got it" scene in New Earth...now that Amy came onto him...he still knows that he is handsome...
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Old 03-05-2010, 20:17
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I wonder if Dr 7 and Ace got up to anything.
I think the 7th Doc was totally a father-figure/teacher type for Ace; he cared deeply for her, but not in a romantic manner.

Now regarding the Bedroom Scene in F&S: I don't really mind it, but I only found the first part convincing (when they are sitting on the bed and Amy is hitting on the Doc). Trying it on seems fair game and quite credible for a girl like Amy who is surely used to getting the guys she wants. But I doubt she would press for it in the manner she did afterwards; from my range of female behaviour seen and experienced, most girls would actually change the tune and move for a less pushy approach to get the guy So that part of the scene doesn't strike me as credible at al

But to me the scene was aiming to clue the Doc up about something being wrong about Amy, anyway, so that's done and dusted now I think/hope
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Old 03-05-2010, 20:24
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I thought the scene was funny. Amy is fab. Definately my favourite companion so far.
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Old 03-05-2010, 20:39
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Don't be such a cliched Dr Who fan

Anyway, as the Dr is an alien, shagging Amy would be like shagging your pet dog. It just doesn't work between species
I'm not sure what Brannigan and his wife would say about that.

Those cute little kitties lol
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