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2nd week on the run that Lewis hasn't recorded on Granada SD 103.
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Yes, Mine recorded OK last week on a series link on 119 but not yesterday.
It was particularly odd because the box was in its 'about to record' mode (red light but clock showing). The episode of Lewis was in the schedule with the correct times. Getting the info box up it actually had the red 'recording' icon showing. I set the programme to record manually and after about 20 minutes started watching it. When it finished there was another entry in the media list for Lewis with a duration of zero and that stupid 'recording failed for unknown reason' message on attempting to play. (How can it not know the reason? Something must have happened to make it put an entry in the list.) |
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Failed on my box as well (119). Last weeks recorded OK and series record schedule updated to next Sunday. Very odd
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I have a Humax Freesat+ with Lewis on series link. No problem last week and no problems with any other programmes except Lewis tonight. It's a great system, very few problems, but I think there has been some kind of technical glitch out of our control.
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Mine failed too
Set on 119 ITVHD, last week recorded fine, next weeks is set to record within the planner. I did however check during Sunday to see that it was set to record OK and it was. I was watching soemthing on DVD and the Humax box was on, noticed that it was recording, assumed that it was Lewis, when I went to play Lewis there was nothing in the planner adn when I checked guide Lewis was not marked to record for this week. Very strange, had missed the first 40 minutes by this time so didnt bother. Not happy at all. Nothing else was recorded at this time so Lewis must have started recording and then stopped, but there is no idintification of a falied recordign anywhere |
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Failed for me too
I specially set it to record the SD version too, but that also failed (Recording failed - unknown reason) Presumably something wierd in the broadcast at ITV end, but Humax really need to fix the box to be more resilient to bad data. Anyone know if it recorded ok on other brands of Freesat recorder? |
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Check out http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1258963 in the Humax Freeview forums... strangeness with Lewis has been happening on Freeview too...
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Presumably something wierd in the broadcast at ITV end ...
There may have been something different in the way ITV encoded the information but there was certainly enough information there for the Humax to record. |
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Check out http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1258963 in the Humax Freeview forums... strangeness with Lewis has been happening on Freeview too...
I wonder if something similar is happening on the HDR as I had a “failed to record reason unknown” message with 0 minutes and the HDR wont play any recordings less than 30 seconds long. Did the box start to record then stopped before 30 seconds had past ? I checked that the HDR was recording Lewis ok but seeing it had failed to start, I did a manual start 10 seconds in and at that time the HDR had not started it’s series record of Lewis but when I checked the media after it finished I had my manual record plus the failed recording. |
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It's hard to see how it's possible to blame ITV when the Humax has the exact correct details in the schedule and knows enough to display the programme name together with the red 'record' icon'. It clearly knew it should be recording the programme. It just didn't.
There may have been something different in the way ITV encoded the information but there was certainly enough information there for the Humax to record. |
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It could easily be ITV's fault. Most likely explanation is that ITV sent the running status flag to indicate the start of the recording followed by the end of recording flag less than 30 secs afterwards. THe hdr won't save a recording of less than 30 seconds as you will find if you try a short manual recording
It's hard to argue that it's entirely ITV's fault when the Humax is indicating: 1) The correct programme name and details. 2) Has the 'recording' icon showing 3) Is showing that the program is 20 minutes in to a 120 minute programme on the small progress bar in the info box. There is adequate information there for it to know it should have been recording. |
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2nd week on the run that Lewis hasn't recorded on Granada SD 103.
I have disabled the accurate record feature though and have gone with a minute's padding before/after since last week's failure. I suspect that ITV are just crap at sending out the start/stop signals. I haven't seen any reports of a problem on the Sky HD forum yet so at present that tends to confirm it - I don't think Sky's EPG supports Accurate Record or anything similar. |
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No, that isn't what happened because if that were the case there would not have been an entry for Lewis yielding the 'failed to record' message. (Or, if there was, it would have been there well before I started watching my manually commenced recording more than half an hour into the programme.)
It's hard to argue that it's entirely ITV's fault when the Humax is indicating: 1) The correct programme name and details. 2) Has the 'recording' icon showing 3) Is showing that the program is 20 minutes in to a 120 minute programme on the small progress bar in the info box. There is adequate information there for it to know it should have been recording. If you had padded the recording times the hdr would have ignored the status flags. |
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No, that isn't what happened because if that were the case there would not have been an entry for Lewis yielding the 'failed to record' message. (Or, if there was, it would have been there well before I started watching my manually commenced recording more than half an hour into the programme.)
It's hard to argue that it's entirely ITV's fault when the Humax is indicating: 1) The correct programme name and details. 2) Has the 'recording' icon showing 3) Is showing that the program is 20 minutes in to a 120 minute programme on the small progress bar in the info box. There is adequate information there for it to know it should have been recording. |
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There is no entry at all on my hdr and this is mirrored by the similar problems on the Humax Freeview+ boxes.
As with his, mine is in the root directory (although that hadn't registered as odd until he mentioned it.) Quote:
The box waits for the ITV to change the programme running status flag, when received the recording starts and the rec flag come up on the screen ...
I know how that works but it doesn't alter the fact that the Humax knew it was supposed to be recording the programme and didn't. It should have a safety mechanism so that if it has information that a desired programme is running and has not received the correct flag anyway it will start to record anyway. (And some similar, sensible, mechanism to stop it recording for hours as some have reported.) It's called 'defensive programming'.Obviously this isn't a major problem as it certainly doesn't happen often (unless one of the TV companies serially mucks up a particular programme). |
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Well, there is on mine and, it would seem, Rent-a-Nuke's.
As with his, mine is in the root directory (although that hadn't registered as odd until he mentioned it.) I know how that works but it doesn't alter the fact that the Humax knew it was supposed to be recording the programme and didn't. It should have a safety mechanism so that if it has information that a desired programme is running and has not received the correct flag anyway it will start to record anyway. (And some similar, sensible, mechanism to stop it recording for hours as some have reported.) It's called 'defensive programming'. Obviously this isn't a major problem as it certainly doesn't happen often (unless one of the TV companies serially mucks up a particular programme). |
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The humax has to be built to the exacting freesat spec and that means respecting the freesat+ CRID codes and running flags.Without the flag how the hell can it know if the programme has started and if it's told it's finished you can't seriously expect the box to ignore the code that it has.
If something like this is defensively programmed it would note that the programme was due to start and that, according to the information it was receiving it had either started or about to start. Remember it was displaying 'Lewis' with the record icon. If the programme did not start within, say, three minutes of it's data appearing the box could decide that there was probably an error at the transmission and start recording anyway. The upside would be less missed recordings. The only downside would be that if the transmitting company screwed up anyway there would be the possibility that some space would be wasted. I know which I'd prefer! Similar pseudo-intelligence could be used at the other end. (I can spell it out for you if you like.) I doubt that the Freesat specs prohibit a manufacturer from trying to make things a little more failsafe. If you have a link to something that states otherwise I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.
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Mine also failed on ITV HD.
Good to know Freeview also suffered similarly - perhaps the problem will receive some focus now (just in time for the series to be almost over). But anyway, I'll be recording the non-HD version next week and hoping for better luck. Hope ITV Player play nicely this evening, since for some crazy reason with 4 channels ITV choose not to repeat Lewis (great thought ITV...). |
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If you had padded the recording times the hdr would have ignored the status flags.
IOW if there is a genuine schedule change (rather than just running a bit late) will padded recording pick that up? |
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But anyway, I'll be recording the non-HD version next week and hoping for better luck.
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As a matter of curiousity do we know how/if the Humax adjusts to schedule changes when using padding? I assume it still aims to record the programme as listed in the EPG not just between to arbitrary times?
IOW if there is a genuine schedule change (rather than just running a bit late) will padded recording pick that up? |
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Mine failed also 103 Meridian. First fail since November. Wife not happy, my fault etc etc. I blame ITV. For info my box was set on Series Link and have automatic padding etc
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It's clear that there was something about the this particular programme that the hdr had a problem with and also the Humax freeview+ recorders and as it's across platforms it's got be ITV related . What's very strange is that so far no one has reported similar problems with other Freesat/Freeview pvrs.
It's possible that the firmware in Humax boxes has a problem with somthing say in the MHEG data. As others have said this is the first failure in months using just series and accurate recording in my case.. Going to leave the series recording reservation intact and back it up next week with a freeview recording on a Topfield 5800. |
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At least at the start there is no way for the hdr to know say 2 mins before the programme starts that it's going to so it has to start at the scheduled time adjusted by your adjustment if using auto padding or at the time you say if you edit the scheduled start time.
Tbh it's pretty unusual for that to happen in my experience but that might be because so much of what I want is from pay TV. They are all just rolling out programmes of a known length so rarely drift. Unfortunately if my plan works the Humax is going to be used for FTA and a lot of those channels (esp the main 'terrestrial ones') are subject to last minute changes
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Lewis failure
Exactly the same here for 2 weeks running, all other programs on ITVHD have recorded perfectly - We know that auto record works on the flags, I assume set by the play-out agent. If padding is set this is negated and the box records by time only.
So it would appear that the ITV play-out company have failed to set up the information correctly, probably programmed well in advance. They need to make a correction, are they aware of the problem? If it is a Humax problem then why is it only this particular program that is affected in this way? I will set in padding for next week. |
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