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Old 03-05-2010, 20:09
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This is just something I think might be worth thinking about, and I hope maybe i'm not the only one

In TEH, when the doctor first talks to young amy, he says:

'Ohhh thats a brilliant name. Amelia Pond. Like a name in a fairy tale.'

then a few episodes later, When the Doctor and River Song are talking about Pandorica, he says that it is a 'Fairy Tale'.

What with everyone seemingly revolving around Amy/Amelia, and with us knowing that Young Amy is in the finale, Could these two occurences of speech be related? or am I being stupid?
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Old 03-05-2010, 20:18
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Entirely likely it's significant. Moffat has been using the term in publicity for this series.
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Old 03-05-2010, 21:54
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This is just something I think might be worth thinking about, and I hope maybe i'm not the only one

In TEH, when the doctor first talks to young amy, he says:

'Ohhh thats a brilliant name. Amelia Pond. Like a name in a fairy tale.'

then a few episodes later, When the Doctor and River Song are talking about Pandorica, he says that it is a 'Fairy Tale'.

What with everyone seemingly revolving around Amy/Amelia, and with us knowing that Young Amy is in the finale, Could these two occurences of speech be related? or am I being stupid?
Do we know she is in the finale.
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Old 03-05-2010, 21:55
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Also amys red riding hood impression in the oxygen forest

or the "alice In wonderland" rabbithole that we the viewers tumble down during the opening credits?
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Old 03-05-2010, 21:57
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There's the whole myth thing which is kind of similar as well. All that stuff about apples...
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Old 03-05-2010, 22:45
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How come the Doctor scoffed and said "That's just a fairy tale" when River Song mentioned the Pandorica in FAS, but he didn't react the same way when Prisoner Zero mentioned it in TEH?
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Old 03-05-2010, 23:20
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How come the Doctor scoffed and said "That's just a fairy tale" when River Song mentioned the Pandorica in FAS, but he didn't react the same way when Prisoner Zero mentioned it in TEH?
maybe, just maybe, they were two different doctors? what with all the speculation of there being more than one doctor running around at the minute, it is a possiblity.
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Old 03-05-2010, 23:27
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This is just something I think might be worth thinking about, and I hope maybe i'm not the only one

In TEH, when the doctor first talks to young amy, he says:

'Ohhh thats a brilliant name. Amelia Pond. Like a name in a fairy tale.'

then a few episodes later, When the Doctor and River Song are talking about Pandorica, he says that it is a 'Fairy Tale'.

What with everyone seemingly revolving around Amy/Amelia, and with us knowing that Young Amy is in the finale, Could these two occurences of speech be related? or am I being stupid?
I think what's more is important in the exchange is:

River: We'll meet again when the Pandorica opens.
Doctor *scoffs*: The Pandorica, ha!...That's a fairytale
River *laughing*: Aren't we all?

What did she mean by 'Aren't we all?'
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Old 03-05-2010, 23:29
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I think what's more is important in the exchange is:

River: We'll meet again when the Pandorica opens.
Doctor *scoffs*: The Pandorica, ha!...That's a fairytale
River *laughing*: Aren't we all?

What did she mean by 'Aren't we all?'
Well it could just be a cheeky reference to the fact that DW is a make-believe TV programme I guess
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Old 03-05-2010, 23:31
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Well it could just be a cheeky reference to the fact that DW is a make-believe TV programme I guess
True - I wouldn't put that pass Moffat.

It could mean something slightly more though.
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Old 03-05-2010, 23:41
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True - I wouldn't put that pass Moffat.

It could mean something slightly more though.
i agree, i think that with the way SM is writing and showing everything in this series, nothing should be missed. i absolutely adore river song, she is just so interesting, and it's slightly depressing to think it may be years before we find out who she is.
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Old 04-05-2010, 00:07
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Fairytale-ness is definately a theme but possibly in a general stylistic sense rather than as a plot point.

The music in the final scene of Flesh and Stone certainly seemed fairy-tale ish. It would not have seemed out of place as back ground music in a tv adaptation of a brothers grim story.

While i would never call the RTD era gritty or realistic, in a general sense there was a kind of "realism" going on in his time on the show, for example Rose lives on a council estate and come from a one parent home.

Amy in contrast is the typical fairytale heroine, lives in a big house (which is shot in a very fable esque way) on her own, has a nasty but in a narrative sense completely absent aunt figure (not literally but very like a wicked step mother) and missing/dead parents. She is the architypal fairy tale damsel in distress.

This series is big on allusion, with fairy-tale, greek mythology and goodness knows what else popping up. Its great fun. Someone should try and list all the themes and allusions in this series, someone who doesn't have exams to study for.
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Old 04-05-2010, 00:43
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Fairytale-ness is definately a theme but possibly in a general stylistic sense rather than as a plot point.

The music in the final scene of Flesh and Stone certainly seemed fairy-tale ish. It would not have seemed out of place as back ground music in a tv adaptation of a brothers grim story.

While i would never call the RTD era gritty or realistic, in a general sense there was a kind of "realism" going on in his time on the show, for example Rose lives on a council estate and come from a one parent home.

Amy in contrast is the typical fairytale heroine, lives in a big house (which is shot in a very fable esque way) on her own, has a nasty but in a narrative sense completely absent aunt figure (not literally but very like a wicked step mother) and missing/dead parents. She is the architypal fairy tale damsel in distress.

This series is big on allusion, with fairy-tale, greek mythology and goodness knows what else popping up. Its great fun. Someone should try and list all the themes and allusions in this series, someone who doesn't have exams to study for.
It's a media teacher's perfect programme (or at least it'd be my old media studies teacher's perfect programme!) - all the intertextuality and links to allusion and past myths would make her unbearable.

I wonder whether children at my old school are watchign Doctor Who again and again because of it...if so, lucky them.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:26
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My six year old boy (new to Who this season and absolutely loving it by the way) pointed out the prevalence of big sharp pointy teeth; Prisoner zero, Angels and the Vampires.

Another one for the list.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:35
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My six year old boy (new to Who this season and absolutely loving it by the way) pointed out the prevalence of big sharp pointy teeth; Prisoner zero, Angels and the Vampires.

Another one for the list.
Good shout that. I'm serious about the big list by the way. If I learn enough about substantive euroean union law today to justify spending my time making Dr Who Lists i'll do it tonite.
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:00
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gotta love a list neel

i read this somewhere else, but i cant remember where now...
in the first hospital scene we are shown an IV machine... the label at the top says royal leadworth hospital...
when we are shown the man with dog guy, his IV machine label at the top says MYTH as does the one to the left of him.
another myth reference was mentioned and ithin it was in F&S but im not sure about that now, its fallen out of my brain lol
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