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I don't understand these criticisms. The show is now more layered, more rewarding with each repeat viewing since you never see everything first time round, it's ditched the tedious mawkish sentimentality in favour of strong, intelligent sci-fi. What's not to like? If you don't like sci-fi, why watch Doctor Who? It's not a soap opera, and I'm glad they've finally remembered that.
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This was bound to happen.
The RTD series did its best to widen the demographic by including "romances". A generation of - shall we say fangirls - only know Who through its romance. They dont know any different. We are now in a different era. RTDs crassly painted "emotional development" usually consisted of a nagging mum and siblings. His era of the show was aimed at the Quick magazine readership who thrive on romance. There was an article in RT which said "the Doctor was in the maze of the dead but still has time for romance". That is pitched at a demographic. The Moffat era is different for that. The Tennant moping over his latest babe didnt feel true to me as I know the character going back to 1976. It wasnt part of the old show because it wouldnt have worked with the old show. The old show just with the Moffat show stayed true to character. Newcpmers are used to the gooey romance of Wose, the unrequited love of Marfa and the old baggiiness of Donna. We are now in a different era and we have a companion who keeps her feelings to herself. The story comes first. |
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I don't understand these criticisms. The show is now more layered, more rewarding with each repeat viewing since you never see everything first time round, it's ditched the tedious mawkish sentimentality in favour of strong, intelligent sci-fi. What's not to like? If you don't like sci-fi, why watch Doctor Who? It's not a soap opera, and I'm glad they've finally remembered that.
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I don't understand these criticisms. The show is now more layered, more rewarding with each repeat viewing since you never see everything first time round, it's ditched the tedious mawkish sentimentality in favour of strong, intelligent sci-fi. What's not to like? If you don't like sci-fi, why watch Doctor Who? It's not a soap opera, and I'm glad they've finally remembered that.
And wait a minute, you have been saying to some people with the likes of the beast below that everything is there for people who were paying attention, and now your suggesting that you never see everything the first time round therefore repeat veiweing is more re-warding? Seriously....not doing well with gaining any respect for your opinions. I wouldn't call TEH, Victory of the Daleks intelligent sci-fi at all....not unless it means getting rid of aliens because the Doctor said run, or love defusing a bomb...... |
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This was bound to happen.
The RTD series did its best to widen the demographic by including "romances". A generation of - shall we say fangirls - only know Who through its romance. They dont know any different. We are now in a different era. RTDs crassly painted "emotional development" usually consisted of a nagging mum and siblings. His era of the show was aimed at the Quick magazine readership who thrive on romance. There was an article in RT which said "the Doctor was in the maze of the dead but still has time for romance". That is pitched at a demographic. The Moffat era is different for that. The Tennant moping over his latest babe didnt feel true to me as I know the character going back to 1976. It wasnt part of the old show because it wouldnt have worked with the old show. The old show just with the Moffat show stayed true to character. Newcpmers are used to the gooey romance of Wose, the unrequited love of Marfa and the old baggiiness of Donna. We are now in a different era and we have a companion who keeps her feelings to herself. The story comes first. That little RT line that you just described sums up Flesh and Stones!!! Not an RTD story![]() And Donna not having a romance angle you then have to criticise as being old bagginess!!! Well Done again!!! And then we have a companion who keeps herself to herself....so I am guessing that you really didn't watch Flesh and Stone after all did you??? Either you are completely mad, and have been watching a different show....or you are one hell of a good joker!!!!
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It was the human touch which initially made the show so popular IMHO. I watched it because I liked CE and then carried on watching it when DT took up the challenge. I see nothing wrong with combining sentimentality with sci-fi. DT combined both brilliantly, thanks to good scripts and wonderful acting. Take away the human element from Dr Who and it'll eventually be just the sci fi fans left watching it IMHO.
If it remains the quality it has been doing for the last few weeks then it wont be "just Sci-Fi" fans. It will be everybody. |
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I hate to tell you this but back in 1979 it was getting ratings of 15 million. There was no romance but good stories and a good Doctor.
If it remains the quality it has been doing for the last few weeks then it wont be "just Sci-Fi" fans. It will be everybody. ![]() There was no romance in series 4 either, and it was the biggest ratings bag winner in terms of averages!!! So not everyone is looking for roamnce right now either! |
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I hate to tell you this but back in 1979 it was getting ratings of 15 million. There was no romance but good stories and a good Doctor.
If it remains the quality it has been doing for the last few weeks then it wont be "just Sci-Fi" fans. It will be everybody. A lot of programmes got high ratings back in the days when there was no satellite channels. If it's ratings were so darned high then how come the show got cancelled? Besides which, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Old Who, from what I have seen it is full of bad acting, wobbly sets, cobbled-together aliens and not much else. |
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Again they haven't ditched the so called soap opera....but you have just changed your tune. For sex shouldn't be part of Doctor when RTD was at the helms now has become funny and important to show the character of Amy.
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And wait a minute, you have been saying to some people with the likes of the beast below that everything is there for people who were paying attention, and now your suggesting that you never see everything the first time round therefore repeat veiweing is more re-warding? Quote:
Seriously....not doing well with gaining any respect for your opinions. |
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This was bound to happen.
The RTD series did its best to widen the demographic by including "romances". A generation of - shall we say fangirls - only know Who through its romance. They dont know any different. We are now in a different era. RTDs crassly painted "emotional development" usually consisted of a nagging mum and siblings. His era of the show was aimed at the Quick magazine readership who thrive on romance. There was an article in RT which said "the Doctor was in the maze of the dead but still has time for romance". That is pitched at a demographic. The Moffat era is different for that. The Tennant moping over his latest babe didnt feel true to me as I know the character going back to 1976. It wasnt part of the old show because it wouldnt have worked with the old show. The old show just with the Moffat show stayed true to character. Newcpmers are used to the gooey romance of Wose, the unrequited love of Marfa and the old baggiiness of Donna. We are now in a different era and we have a companion who keeps her feelings to herself. The story comes first. .I think the problem with generalisations is that they are hardly ever true. If someone now can't take to a new doctor or the companion, it's because they are a fangirl (or they are gay men). Some people struggle when the doctor changes, it's normal, it's happened in the 70's, 80's and it happens now. However, now it's been attributed to hormones. I'm lucky, it didn't happen to me this time, I loved CE, it took me some time to take to DT (because I liked CE), and now I'm loving MS. With regards to romance, I personally don't need romance in Dr Who, but I don't mind it if it adds to the story and IMO it made the characters in RTD's time more believable. It's not possible to write a story without giving some of the characters some background story, otherwise you end up with cardboard characters. |
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A lot of programmes got high ratings back in the days when there was no satellite channels. If it's ratings were so darned high then how come the show got cancelled?
Besides which, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Old Who, from what I have seen it is full of bad acting, wobbly sets, cobbled-together aliens and not much else. |
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I think MS might make me lose interest
We also have in Matt Smith an actor that's able to project an "old" personality from a young face and a Doctor that harkens back to the Troughton era and is once again "alien". Marvellous, truly bloody marvellous
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Then you clearly haven't seen much of it. Like it or not, Who is a sci-fi show first and foremost. If you don't have any interest in that, don't watch it. It's simple.
As I said, I have no interest in Old Who and, in addition, I do not need to be patronised by you for stating such an opinion. |
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As I said, I have no interest in Old Who and, in addition, I do not need to be patronised by you for stating such an opinion.
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bad acting, wobbly sets, cobbled-together aliens and not much else.
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I stopped watching the CE series because the "Eastenderiness" got on my nerves. I later grew to love Doctor Who again mainly because of the brilliant portrayal of the Doctor by DT. The 5th series feels more like Old Who. Amy is an intriguing character who has a lot of mystery in her past which I can't wait to find out about. MS portrays the madman in a box perfectly. Iwas abit disappointed in a couple of the episodes, but not any more. SM is just as soapy and romantic a writer as RTD, not a bad thing.
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I find it odd. This is the first series that my other half is making my record so he can watch it with me. It's also the first series that my mum and dad have voluntarily sat and watched off their own back without me forcing them to.
My mum has even taken to calling to ask me when it's repeated on BBC 3 now.... |
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I hate to tell you this but back in 1979 it was getting ratings of 15 million. There was no romance but good stories and a good Doctor.
If it remains the quality it has been doing for the last few weeks then it wont be "just Sci-Fi" fans. It will be everybody. Also, whilst there many good stories back then there were also a fair share of clunkers, just like New Who in fact. What I really don't get is this 'it's now much more like Classic Who' line that's being trotted out. I've watched Who since 1972 and I just don't get this apparent throwback to it's golden age, all I see is a show ever so slightly tweaked from the last 5 years, and not always for the better IMO... |
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And did it ever occur to you that I might not need to hear someone witth no interest in it declare that a show I loved was:
because frankly, that's just guaranteed to get people's backs up. It is my opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to hold. Not everyone who watches Dr. Who is a sci fi fan. If I like watching New Who then I fail to see what that has to do with you? I happen not to like this series very much and I'll state my opinion on the subject as much as I wish to. I do not require your permission. Quite frankly I'm sick and tired of some people who have watched this show when it started eons ago think they are so much better than the people who haven't slavishly followed it since it first began. |
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Difference is, the characters are now actually fleshed out and real, and their presence compliments the plot rather than being an alternative to actually having a plot. Most of the stuff that people complain about missing is blindingly obvious, but there's still stuff going on in the backgrounds that's clearly intended to be building up to something-and that's what you don't always see first time around.
I don't really give a damn whether you respect my opinions or not, but i am getting tired of you continually attacking me, and I have politely asked you to stop doing it. What is your problem? And now you are just picking and choosing of what should have been picked up immediatly and what with a repeat viewing. If I had said the same to you about Midnight, you wouldn't have given a toss...for you it would be enough that it was cr*p on first viewing that it wasn't about creepy monsters and spaceships...that you didn't care about its depth and rewarding repeat viewings... I am not attacking you....but its hard to have a converstation with you if you can't stick to one thing! That you keep change your tune like I said. From all the things you have said in the past, this series should be also one that you shouldn't like, for the very reasons you didn't like the RTD era.....but your making stuff up, and changing your tune. If I challenge you, you ignore me...and then later on making a contradicting statement, that leaves me feeling even more bewilderd. Surely if you have nothing to hide from, you'd be upfront and tell me why all of a sudden sex is fine in Doctor Who when it wasn't in the RTD era...that human nature and depth is fine now when it wasn't before, and that why is it okay for you to tell others not to watch it, when you yourself hated being told that? Seriously, I am just asking questions...not attacking you...I don't know you personally to attack you. Just be consistant, at least then I know where you stand, and then not only me but others can say that even tjough we may not agree, at least he is firm in his beleifs about his love for the show. Its not just a matter of respect even, its a matter of even believing what you have to say, and I want to...i don't want to come on here and start stupid fights, difference of opinions i can live with, hypocrisy on the other hand needs to be challegend.... |
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Then you clearly haven't seen much of it. Like it or not, Who is a sci-fi show first and foremost. If you don't have any interest in that, don't watch it. It's simple.
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Quite frankly I'm sick and tired of some people who have watched this show when it started eons ago think they are so much better than the people who haven't slavishly followed it since it first began. |
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It is my opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to hold. Not everyone who watches Dr. Who is a sci fi fan. If I like watching New Who then I fail to see what that has to do with you? I happen not to like this series very much and I'll state my opinion on the subject as much as I wish to. I do not require your permission.
Quite frankly I'm sick and tired of some people who have watched this show when it started eons ago think they are so much better than the people who haven't slavishly followed it since it first began. |
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You'll come across fans like that with every show, however (this is all my personal experience with someone who was a mingmong) basically when it came back most people would ask this guy about the show and he would talk down to you (Ok granted this guy was a grade A pratt), however some of the classic who fans who I've spoken to since can be down to earth people.
I perfectly accept this. There are some knowledgeable people on here and on OG who don't sneer at people because they don't wish to watch Old Who.
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And did it ever occur to you that I might not need to hear someone witth no interest in it declare that a show I loved was:
because frankly, that's just guaranteed to get people's backs up. |
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And i'd argue that Rose, Martha and Donna were fleshed out as well....so thereis no difference really...and they to complmented the plots too....you may have not liked them, but it doesn't become different all of a sudden does it?
And now you are just picking and choosing of what should have been picked up immediatly and what with a repeat viewing. If I had said the same to you about Midnight, you wouldn't have given a toss...for you it would be enough that it was cr*p on first viewing that it wasn't about creepy monsters and spaceships...that you didn't care about its depth and rewarding repeat viewings... I am not attacking you....but its hard to have a converstation with you if you can't stick to one thing! That you keep change your tune like I said. From all the things you have said in the past, this series should be also one that you shouldn't like, for the very reasons you didn't like the RTD era.....but your making stuff up, and changing your tune. If I challenge you, you ignore me...and then later on making a contradicting statement, that leaves me feeling even more bewilderd. Surely if you have nothing to hide from, you'd be upfront and tell me why all of a sudden sex is fine in Doctor Who when it wasn't in the RTD era...that human nature and depth is fine now when it wasn't before, and that why is it okay for you to tell others not to watch it, when you yourself hated being told that? Seriously, I am just asking questions...not attacking you...I don't know you personally to attack you. Just be consistant, at least then I know where you stand, and then not only me but others can say that even tjough we may not agree, at least he is firm in his beleifs about his love for the show. Its not just a matter of respect even, its a matter of even believing what you have to say, and I want to...i don't want to come on here and start stupid fights, difference of opinions i can live with, hypocrisy on the other hand needs to be challegend.... |
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That little RT line that you just described sums up Flesh and Stones!!! Not an RTD story
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