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Terry Pratchett criticises Doctor Who, accuses it of makeitupasyougoalongeum
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teenagemartyr
04-05-2010
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“Terry Pratchett has claimed that Doctor Who has become "ludicrous".

The author, who said that he has always been a fan of the series, explained that it "breaks most of the laws of narrative".

Writing for SFX, he continued: "On planet Earth it's generally taken for granted that it's a bad thing to introduce into a narrative some last-minute solution that was totally unexpected and unheralded.

"The unexpected, unadvertised solution which kisses it all better is known as a deus ex machina - literally, a god from the machine. And a god from the machine is what the Doctor is now."

He went on: "A decent detective story provides you with enough tantalising information to allow you to make a stab at a solution before the famous detective struts his stuff in the library. Doctor Who replaces this with speed, fast talking, and what appears to be that wonderful element 'makeitupasyougoalongeum'."

Pratchett also dismissed the idea that Doctor Who is science fiction and claimed that the Doctor is starting to resemble God.

"The Doctor himself has in recent years been built up into an amalgam of Mother Teresa, Jesus Christ... and Tinkerbell," he said. "There is nothing he doesn't know and nothing he can't do... Perhaps they should start transmitting the programme on Sundays."

However, Pratchett admitted that he will continue to watch the series.

"After all, when you've had your moan you have to admit that it is very, very entertaining, with its heart in the right place, even if its head is often in orbit around Jupiter," he said. "I might shout at the screen again, but I will be watching on Saturday."

Doctor Who continues on Saturday at 6pm on BBC One.”

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s7/...ludicrous.html

I'm inclined to agree with much of what he says, to be honest...
alexjones
04-05-2010
who cares what he thinks, i'm still enjoying it and as long as the ratings keep up what one author thinks of the show dosen't matter.
tingramretro
04-05-2010
I'd have agreed with him if he was talking about last year, but not this year. Bit baffled by his comments.
CoalHillJanitor
04-05-2010
This was a published piece probably written a few weeks ago, so it may be slightly behind the times.
Abomination
04-05-2010
I have to admit that he has a point- some plots do lack scientific credibility (not so much this year but certainly a few earlier on). But this isn't really a big deal- Doctor Who is just an entertainment show and if we are to believe a man can hurtle through space and time in a little blue box then I am open to the plot resolutions.

And at least good ol' Pratchett is big enough to still watch the show rather than blatantly label it as 'entirely rubbish' and refuse to watch.
Webslark
04-05-2010
Full article here As usual DS is culling its news and leaving out some context

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2010/05/03/gues...on-doctor-who/

Terry Pratchett likes Torchwood?!?! Who would have thought THAT!
MiltonBlake
04-05-2010
Hello

Ask him again in a week.

He'll tell you it's half past three.
meglosmurmurs
04-05-2010
I don't really agree with his point, but I like his use of the word 'makeitupasyougoalongeum'.
WTF!
tardis_cub
04-05-2010
Up until this year, I'd have a greed with him. Tennant was almost too close to God for comfort. A bit too brilliant, and that awful bit in The Last of the Time Lords.....(eugh, why can't the crack in the universe delete THAT from my memory!?)

This year though is different.

Spoiler
11th Hour, despite being fab and working it all out and using the blackberry device to solve the problem, Prisoner Zero got one over on him and it was Amy who provided the key to solving it.

Beast Below, again, the Doctor was about to lobotomise the Space Whale and AMY worked out what to do.....

Victory of the Daleks, The Doctor was totally played by the Daleks, and failed to stop the bomb. It was Amy again who worked out what to do

It's really only Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone that the Doctor really provided the solution. It's not Deus ex machina either, as the crack has been in every story since 11th hour, it's only in those episodes it served a purpose and it's mystery is still ongoing.


I'm liking the new run which is showing a vulnerable side to the Doctor that hasn't really been seen since the Peter Davison years.....

(I've spoilered those in case an overseas viewer wanders in...)
viewaskew
04-05-2010
*Stands*

*Applauds vigorously*

*Waits for the abuse that die-hard Who fans are bound to throw at Terry Pratchett merely for stating the absolute truth*

Webslark
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by MiltonBlake:
“Hello

Ask him again in a week.

He'll tell you it's half past three.”


Unneccessary and decidedly unfunny
Solamenn
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by Webslark:
“Full article here As usual DS is culling its news and leaving out some context

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2010/05/03/gues...on-doctor-who/

Terry Pratchett likes Torchwood?!?! Who would have thought THAT! ”

Yes, it would be much better to read the full article. Because those snippets focus on Sir Terry criticizing when in fact if you read it all you can see that yes there is criticism, but there is also a lot of love. Because what he is saying basically is : it's a bit silly but gosh I love it... And I can't fault him because I think the same
Muttley76
04-05-2010
As per usual DS put a bit of an unfair spin on the article, he wasn't wholly critical of the show, indeed he is a regular viewer of it, as they later state, but he, as a writer of sci-fi himself is surely entitled, not to mention more than qualified, to make constructive critical comments of the show?

I do feel that DS have at least in part taking his comments out of context to make a more dramatic headline as the so often the case these days.
lach doch mal
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by MiltonBlake:
“Hello

Ask him again in a week.

He'll tell you it's half past three.”

I must admit I'm a bit disappointed with that (although I know you are joking). Alzheimer is horrible, devestating and terminal, and not something I would joke about.

I don't necessarily agree with him (Terry), but he is entitled to his opinion.
Omega70
04-05-2010
TP pretty much sums up how I have increasingly felt about DW from 05-09. Especially the messianic portrayal of The Doctor. Though, apart from the season opener, that side of him has been largely absent so far...
WelshNige
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“As per usual DS put a bit of an unfair spin on the article, he wasn't wholly critical of the show, indeed he is a regular viewer of it, as they later state, but he, as a writer of sci-fi himself is surely entitled, not to mention more than qualified, to make constructive critical comments of the show?

I do feel that DS have at least in part taking his comments out of context to make a more dramatic headline as the so often the case these days.”

Do you think they're connected to the Daily Fail at all, certainly many similarities....
Muttley76
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by MiltonBlake:
“Hello

Ask him again in a week.

He'll tell you it's half past three.”

You know what, my Grandmother died of Alzheimer's disease, and let me tell you it was no laughing matter in spite of what some people seem to think. Let's hope you don't have to see a person you love losing all sense of who they are and effectively dying mentally years before their physical body does.
scumcat
04-05-2010
never really liked his stuff so really dont care what he thinks, i only care what we in our house like and we doctor who
The_Red_Avenger
04-05-2010
Yes, read the full article - he's still a fan - which the DS headline misconstrues.
Analysethis
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“I'd have agreed with him if he was talking about last year, but not this year. Bit baffled by his comments.”

This. It certainly applies to the past few series, but so far this year we've yet to have a Deus-Ex-Machina resolution. I wonder if has has bothered to watch the latest series like he said he would...
mousy
04-05-2010
I think he is spot on
MiltonBlake
04-05-2010
Hello

@lach doch mal/@Muttley76/@Webslark

I think my humour, in this instance, could be seen as a little noir'ish.

But I'm sure I'm only reflecting Pratchett's own tone, when he considers his predicament.

He has already given speeches where he exhibits the same 'gallows humour'.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger and what does kill us, should be mocked.

That's the human way.
John Dough
04-05-2010
He's right DW is childish tripe.:sleep:
aardvark85
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“I have to admit that he has a point- some plots do lack scientific credibility.”

You think?

However that's not his point. What he is saying is that the viewer should be able to anticipate the solution, and that you should have some degree of continuity between stories.

For instance, Blink does this quite well (ignoring the whole paradox thing) - and while you expect the solution will be based on Sally and/or Larry getting into the tardis and then the Dr does X, the ACTUAL solution is applying something that we've already been told, which is that angels can't move when observed. That's 'fair'.

However, take Last of the Timelords - again there is an apparent solution, and an actual one, but the actual one is pure Deus ex machina (almost literally) - and there has been nothing to hint at this being the solution (leaving aside it's absurdity, that isn't relevant).

Look at most episodes of the new series - a lot of them do not let you work out the answer. So far Moffatt is the exception, but changing the rules of weeping angels doesn't bode well.
John Dough
04-05-2010
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“This was a published piece probably written a few weeks ago, so it may be slightly behind the times.”

It's ALWAYS been rubbish.
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