Given that so far we have seen stories from a grand total of two writers in Series 5, it may be too early to state this with such assurance.

And personally, I found defusing the Bracewell bomb a bit of a stretch, certainly more so than some of the resolutions in previous series. Does that make me think this series is worse than what has gone before? Nope.

What I do think is that some posters see what they want to see in DW. For some MS and the SM era so far isn't "working" in the same way that for others DT and the RTD era didn't. Pesonal and subjective views and so, in my opinion, equally valid FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE.

Its all DW to me and I will continue to enjoy it as I see it, despite being told that x is better than y.

Another snide attack on millions of Mail readers there.

RTD fans were casual viewers anyway. That they disappear is of no great significance.

No, just a comment on the editorial policy of the paper as that poster sees it.
A statement about the paper is NOT necessarily a statement about its readership.

Just exchange Mail readers for RTD fans, and you have the answer to your own post.

I wasn't commenting on the readership I was commenting on the paper itself. They tend to take quotes and twist them to suit whatever reaction they are aiming for, or whatever side they want to support. Bit like the national enquirer or OK!.

Considering over the past few days they've written negative articles about the new DW, it might mean they take Terry's comments out of context too.

How does a pun on "heil Hitler" suggest twisting quotations out of context?

It is more suggesting that the newspaper is Nazi in outlook.

The implications on its readers are obvious too.

Do you know why most people call it Daily Heil, as it's what most people call it? I thought you were meaning the rest of what I said which is why I replied to that.

Believe me Millions are sharing your opinion, so I wouldn't worry.

It's always interesting that those people who are quick to dish out the insults to anyone in one post (e.g. RTD fans), are also quite quick to take offence at some imagined slight in another.

So you calld it the Daily Heil not knowing that the pun was based on a belief that the newspaper's outlook is close to Nazi-ism??

Perhaps now you will repudiate this? Do you think the Daily Mail has a Nazi outlook?

If not then you shouldnt call it what you did as it impugns millions of decent ordinary people.

Do they? Must say I absolutely loath the paper but have never heard that before.

I was asking "Do you know?" because from what you said it sounded like you didn't understand why it was called that, or why I called it that.

Of course I know why it was called that otherwise I wouldn't use the phrase.

I wasn't calling the readership anything. I was calling the paper that.


That's all right then. I've seen other people use the term on the forum so I thought it was alright for me to use it on here as I use it every day anyway.


I'm guessing you genuinely don't know. It's called it because they supported the Nazi's during the war. Or at least the editor at the time was friends/speaking terms with Hitler or at least the Nazis. I think there was another paper too that was on their side until they lost. :/ I can't remember.

From what I have seen from the mail readership by me they are biggoted, BNP/EDL supporting idiots who take there "Reporting" on immigration as the gospel truth, Oh lets not forget about Jan whats her name brilliant "insightful" look at gay marriage after Stephen Gately died.

Then we have the constant digs at the BBC and Doctor who pretty much every week/month, if that doesn't scream 'Agenda' then I don't know what does. In a way and this is coming from what I have read it seems that the paper is very very right wing in it's reporting.

So we have it on record that you do indeed think that a popular British national newspaper has a Nazi outlook?


Shame on you.

Well shame on the Daily Mail for its bigoted narrow minded stance too.

No, I call it that like what most people call it that, because the paper used to support the Nazi's.

I would have thought, with the events of the last week, that people would have learnt that it is often too easy and often simply wrong to throw the word 'biogot' around at something with which you disagree.

Ok then.

Shame on the Daily Mail for its agenda which is offensive to so many ordinary decent people.

and the British government tried to do deals with the Nazi regime during the same period.

Should we accuse the British government of today of being Nazi sympathisiers too?

The ordinary decent readers of the Daily Mail are often offended by some of the permissvenes and licentiousness that goes on in Britain too. They also are horrified at what has happened to this country because of immigration. They are vaild opinions.

Are you saying people have the right to be offended by the Daily Mail but their readers dont have the right to be offended at what they personally deplore?

Isn't this supposed to be a thread about Terry Pratchett and Doctor Who?

I think we all realise what the pun's all about. The Mail's predisposition for printing scare stories about crime, immigration and council house scroungers, feeding the basic fears of 'millions of decent ordinary people' has earned them that nickname.

I gave up reading any of the papers years ago as I believe they all have an agenda. Some are just worse than others.

Oh isn't it good to see my points about the mail was completely missed

Quite right - we'd better keep it on track before it get's closed down.

I sort of agree with him about the make it up as you go along thing. There were huge loopholes in the Weeping Angels two parter, but it's very enjoyable just the same. I'd have preferred them to have had the same basic abilities that they had in Blink. I thought it was a bit weak that they were killing rather than sending people back in time. But having said that - who really cares? Its all about the ride IMO

Also - another loophole. When they came through the tunnel into the control room of the ship the tunnel was horizontal.initially when they went in the tunnel it was vertical and the doctor altered the gravity so it was horizontal. Surely when they reached the control room it would have been on it's side?

No, the tunnel was a corridor, it was only vertical because the ship was on it's side. The Doc didn't alter the gravity at all, it just never switched off.

Gravity inside the ship always pointed to the 'down' of the ship, rather than the 'down' of the planet.
Gravity outside the ship always pointed to the surface of the ship, so you can walk around.