the poster who said that on GB is one of the most reliable spoiler sources on GB. Doesn't make all of the info he gets spot on of course, but I rather tend to give them a good deal of leeway given how often there info has been on the money. His comment wasn't speculation he was passing on reliable information he had been given.

But why would they do the same thing again and again...imagine another clue like you mention in your spoiler in the beast below....that would attract even more attention....because some people assumed that

and if it had appeared again...it would have given away more clues to the fact it was more than that...


for me that graffiti is in line with the drawing of the wolf on the wall of the flats in Aliens of London....so to leave a bit of clue but not rub it in your face....

Now that is something I find somewhat plausible. Okay, given that possibility, and making the assumption that the other scene that people are talking about is also one of these - both these scenes refer to things that Amy is supposed to remember later. And TBB was about Amy (and everyone else) forgetting. Can anyone find any more parallels?

Also, you don't have to go with grafitti and malfunctioning computer monitors to pick up an eye theme. Seriously, shot after shot in this series involves close-ups of eyes, especially Amy's.

Also interestingly the rule change with the angels. Don't blink becomes "don't look at their eyes".

More eyes here >>>
I ViotD the 'old and worn down' consoles of the Dalek ship also have something of an eye.

In TBB - For a second Doctor, or at least a reference of him, I think the glass of water our Doctor finds down below, just before Liz10 shows up, is left there by a second Doctor. Also a bit later in this scene, a sound can be heard that 'could' be explained as the TARDIS leaving. We can also see the Doctor looking a bit bestranged.
In TEH - it has been rumoured that when we see Rory and the hospital doctor enter the ward for the first time, there is a coma?-patient in the far corner, that looks like the Doctor. It is only very short and hard to see.

Both these last references are also mentioned in other threads here and on DS.

Not sure about the coma patient, similar shaped head, but hard to tell.

The 'TARDIS' noise in TBB . . . Bloody hell, I hadn't spotted that. I think you're onto something. Nice one.

Yes, by me

At what time does the TARDIS noise appear? I watched the scene again and couldn't find it?

It doesnt sound exactly like the TARDIS.

Just as 11 jumps off the ladder you can hear a sound fading in and out like the TARDIS does( almost like its muffled through the wall), the doctor hears this and says 'cant be', sonics the wall, looks at the reading, looks a little perplexed like he knows but cant really explain, looks at the glass on the floor in a weird way and then is interrupted by liz10.

Ive watched it over and over and its definitely implying that there is more then meets the eye!!

About 14.20, just as Liz 10 leaves the Doctor in the 'engine' room.

That's a different bit to what I'm getting. Try the one in my description above.

Victory of the Daleks, 17:23

Look at the Dalek control computer thingy. That is an eye. Not only is it an eye but it looks exactly like the one on the panel in Flesh and Stone and not at all unlike the graphiti in Beast Below.

I thank you.

so it is. You can see it quite clearly a bit earlier as well. good eye finding

i think that sound is just background music.
the doctor says "cant be" because he is listening for the sound of the engine and there isnt one...

No that's the noise the Star Whale makes.... Not the TARDIS...

Oooo that DOES sound like the TARDIS...

Maybe but the way he looks at the glass on the floor and then looks over is shoulder as if to say 'who put that there' when we have already seen the doctor do the exact same thing in putting the glass on the floor earlier in the episode, it just doesnt quite fit.

My speculation is usually wrong but if in the finale it turns out im correct then I want cudos for being the four thousand four hundred and twenty second person to notice this!!!

dazza, if it turns out that you are spot on... i will be the first to give you kudos for being the 4422nd person to notice

Erm I think Liz Ten put the glass down, as she was hiding around the corner and immediately comments on it.

Liz 10 who we also saw had done the "thing". She knew the Doctor would end up trying to find the Engines and put a glass on the floor to attract the Doctors attention.

While I do believe the Doctor is revisting some of the events we've seen (Amy in the Forest, Young Amy) I'm not convinced it's the TARDIS in Victory (elevator) or TBB (Star whale).

As to the grafitti, could be the Doctor, the ? hair certainly suggests it. The stars probably means he's in a coma and reliving the 1980's.

The noise when Liz 10 leaves and the lights go funny? Im convinced thats a TARDIS - you even hear a "SHUNK!"

I have a feeling a second Doctor places the glass of water there too, the way he looks around seems to suggest that it wasnt there before...

I think we could definately be onto something here folks!

1. i thought liz10 put that glass of water.

2. i thought it was more like uhmm the beast below beating the other sidesss of the walls?? with its star whale grunts? (i mean liz10 did disappear right at that moment)

3. im sure the coma patient was not the doctor. people might just be blowing that out of proportion.

The lights go funny and there's a groaning noise because the whale has just been zapped with an electric pulse. If you skip forward to about 29:00, you'll hear it again, and then louder when the Doc amplifies it.


Yes, it wasn't there before. Liz put it there to illustrate that she's worked out the same thing he has, by doing the 'thing'.

Some of this looks OK and some totally guessed. Wonder why no-one else has suggested yet that maybe the stitched mouth thing is literally what the villain does to the Doctor later on.
Although having said that, MediaWatch would probably put the mockers on a scene where Amy's been told he's gone on another 5-minute trip, yeah right, but knows he hasn't because he's not in the TARDIS, and she's looking for him in a creepy building, then you see him locked in the basement with his mouth stitched shut, he can hear Amy calling him and he's trying to undo the stitches so he can tell her where he is.

Maybe at some point earlier on, just after TBB maybe, he's been replaced by his future self/past self/alternate self/Master/shapeshifted Rutan/Dalek with a perception filter/unidentified creepy thing/transsexual Rani and the real him is somewhere else with his mouth zipped (metaphorically or literally or both).