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CAMERA OBSCURA
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“I think a lot of people like DT, and lot of people like MS. I think Doctor Who has always been about change to be honest, and the audience's ability to adapt to it. I do feel sympathetic towards the OP, because I remember how upset I was when Sylvester McCoy turned into Paul McCann (I know he was considered sh*te by most people). No doctor should ever be forgotten, but to be truthful, if you watch Dr Who, you better get used to change otherwise you set yourself up for a huge disappointment.”



You've hit the nail on the head, change is nothing new to Doctor Who and neither are fans of a previous Doctor commenting on how they miss that certain incarnation, it has happened with every Doctor since the very first regen. Why though it seems to be a problem now for some when people express their views, views that after all are all part and parcel of being a Who fan and views that every classic Who fan will have had over the years, again it seem that the classic fans are being bullish when someone prefers something they don't.

Was there any need for the ribbing the OP has had in this thread for simply expressing what is after all a natural and dare I say 'classic' feeling regarding the changing of a Doctor, something every 'elder' Who fan has had over the years.
tingramretro
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by neel:
“Yip, can't help but think of Sebastian O and the Invisibles which were also truly insane (and truly fantastic)

On the other hand Morrisons work on new X-men and and Justice league was straightforward in comparison, lets not talk about Animal man, still freaks me out a little.”

Morrison writing himself into the book-classic stuff! A very strange run, but wonderful all the same.
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Good god X-force was awfull (Mike Aldred run aside) but no it was definately marvel UK, Dark Angel or something. Truly terrible. I was 6 when I read it, but i don't think i was missing anything subtle....”

Ah, the 'Overkill experiment', yes, most of those titles were dire. Dark Angel was undoubtedly one of the worst too, from what I remember...

Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“Was there any need for the ribbing the OP has had in this thread for simply expressing what is after all a natural and dare I say 'classic' feeling regarding the changing of a Doctor, something every 'elder' Who fan has had over the years.”

I'm not sure that's actually true, though-when Tom Baker, the Doctor I grew up with left, I was interested to see how the new bloke would work out, not weeping over Tom's departure even though he remains my favourite. Most classic Who fans accepted that changing the lead periodically was just part of the show, they didn't get upset about it to the degree that some of the Tennant fans seem to have done.
crazzyaz7
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Morrison writing himself into the book-classic stuff! A very strange run, but wonderful all the same.Ah, the 'Overkill experiment', yes, most of those titles were dire. Dark Angel was undoubtedly one of the worst too, from what I remember...

I'm not sure that's actually true, though-when Tom Baker, the Doctor I grew up with left, I was interested to see how the new bloke would work out, not weeping over Tom's departure even though he remains my favourite. Most classic Who fans accepted that changing the lead periodically was just part of the show, they didn't get upset about it to the degree that some of the Tennant fans seem to have done.”

I think if the internet had been around at that time....it would have been obvious how upset some pople would have been....epecially for Tom Baker...as being the Doctor for seven years...he would have been the only one some would have known.....you still here the occasional story that so and so couldn't get into Peter after Tom left...yes it would have beem a minority, but then in all fairness, it still is today for those mourning DT's departure....a couple of threads...occasionally stated by the same people, or another ten telling people to get over him....is why the subject seems as huge as... well as it seems...when in fact it isn't that much of an issue, most people are just getting on with watching the show, whether Matt is their favourite or not, they have accepted him as the Doctor, because that is what always happens, when their is a change, most just accept, a few raise their voice.
meglosmurmurs
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
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Oh come on he left about a hundred years ago.....get over it!”

Wow, well doesn't time just fly by.
daveyboy7472
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
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You've hit the nail on the head, change is nothing new to Doctor Who and neither are fans of a previous Doctor commenting on how they miss that certain incarnation, it has happened with every Doctor since the very first regen. Why though it seems to be a problem now for some when people express their views, views that after all are all part and parcel of being a Who fan and views that every classic Who fan will have had over the years, again it seem that the classic fans are being bullish when someone prefers something they don't.

Was there any need for the ribbing the OP has had in this thread for simply expressing what is after all a natural and dare I say 'classic' feeling regarding the changing of a Doctor, something every 'elder' Who fan has had over the years.”

This goes back to what I posted earlier. The Op was labelled 'pathetic' which I think went too far. The OP has expressed an opinion which I respect, I may not agree with it but certainly wasn't a 'pathetic' opinion by any means.
lach doch mal
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
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You've hit the nail on the head, change is nothing new to Doctor Who and neither are fans of a previous Doctor commenting on how they miss that certain incarnation, it has happened with every Doctor since the very first regen. Why though it seems to be a problem now for some when people express their views, views that after all are all part and parcel of being a Who fan and views that every classic Who fan will have had over the years, again it seem that the classic fans are being bullish when someone prefers something they don't.

Was there any need for the ribbing the OP has had in this thread for simply expressing what is after all a natural and dare I say 'classic' feeling regarding the changing of a Doctor, something every 'elder' Who fan has had over the years.”

I agree and that's why I feel empathic. I did feel very sad when CE left, I desperately wanted another season with him. That's why I thought about the OP's statement. When DT first announced he was going to leave, I was quite sad, because I had become used to him, and I really liked him. It's so difficult to let go of a character you really like, and for that reason I honestly hope the OP can adjust to Matt. If he/she can't, then I'm happy they have the opportunity to watch other stuff with DT. As I said so many times before, I have been lucky, I always found something amazing in all the doctors and even the companions. Dr Who is a show I wouldn't want to miss watching, but I do understand why people have problems with change.
Adam Kelleher
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Colin was fairly popular at the time, he was still getting fairly good ratings throughout his tenure. His sacking got the BBC a lot of negative press.”

Popular? High Ratings? Negative press at his sacking? Looks like Matt Smith was right last Saturday and history has been re written by ting!
CAMERA OBSCURA
06-05-2010
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I'm not sure that's actually true, though-when Tom Baker, the Doctor I grew up with left, I was interested to see how the new bloke would work out, not weeping over Tom's departure even though he remains my favourite.”

You seem to think that your experience is that of everyone else. Do you think it is not true that of all the Doctors fans haven't 'lamented' a previous Doctor over a new one. I find that hard to believe. If there were internet forums at the time of Pertwee changing into Tom Bakers Doctor do you not think we would have seen similar threads saying they miss Pertwee and prefer him over Tom Baker, or just pick any two Doctors. It isnt anythign new, it isnt a new new Who thing just to spite yourself over you didnt like DT's Doctor, it is genuine fans expressing genuine feelings regarding a TV show, just as they have done with every regen, thats it. To say it never happend in the old days is wrong Im afraid.



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“Most classic Who fans accepted that changing the lead periodically was just part of the show, they didn't get upset about it to the degree that some of the Tennant fans seem to have done.”

Yes most classic fans do accept the change it doesn't mean that they all don't miss the previous incarnation, some do some dont. As for getting upset, sorry thats nonsense, some people are no more upset than any fans of the classic series when there was a regen.

If you think that some posters expressing a feeling of 'loss' over a previous Doctor is anything new then Im afraid you are way off the mark, it isn't a new and exclusive DT thing, it is a Doctor Who thing, old and new.

Now its fine for yourself to tell other people to move on when it suits your own feelings of the show, but if the shoe was on the other foot I doubt you would be 'moving on' yourself.
Muttley76
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“Popular? High Ratings?”

eta: got wrong end of stick...sorry!
tingramretro
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“Popular? High Ratings? Negative press at his sacking? Looks like Matt Smith was right last Saturday and history has been re written by ting!”

Did you actually read any of the papers at that time? The ones that carried the stories about the hiatus and then about Colin's sacking, and the letters of comment? Or see his appearances on other shows like Jim'll Fix It? I stand by what I said. And the ratings were perfectly respectable until 1987, when the BBC stuck the show in a slot guaranteed to slowly kill it.
meglosmurmurs
06-05-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Did you actually read any of the papers at that time? The ones that carried the stories about the hiatus and then about Colin's sacking, and the letters of comment? Or see his appearances on other shows like Jim'll Fix It? I stand by what I said. And the ratings were perfectly respectable until 1987, when the BBC stuck the show in a slot guaranteed to slowly kill it.”

There was definitely a huge response when it was cancelled. Wasn't there even a single asking people to save the Doctor featuring numerous celebrities?

I've found it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1yW8FrrXAA

Doctor in Distress
OMG!! LMAO.
Gazoaks76
07-05-2010
I quite like the change aspect of Doctor Who. Trudging out the same stuff year after year becomes stale. I thought Tennent (never my favorite Doctor i have to be honest) had become really stale especially in the specials.

Unless someone is truly great in the role, and/or the writing is great i think 3 to 4 years is best for all partys. It helps freshen things up, and it has improved no end since the reboot. Infact i watched a couple of DT episodes the other day, the change in the quality in the writing, acting, directing and general look to the new show is immense.
Listentome
07-05-2010
From someone who thought David Tennant was the bee's knees when he started Doctor Who, I can honestly say I am glad he's gone.

If series 4 had been his last stories I might still like his Doctor, but the appalling specials of 2009 just destroyed him for me. Waters of Mars was good, but then it became about David Tennant and not the Doctor. The rubbish that was The End of Time is inexcusable to me. Self indulgent twoddle. It threw dignity aside. Tennant deserved better.

So I am thankful for Matt Smith. Much better and more Doctorly in every sense.
Reality Sucks
08-05-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“I agree and that's why I feel empathic. I did feel very sad when CE left, I desperately wanted another season with him. That's why I thought about the OP's statement. When DT first announced he was going to leave, I was quite sad, because I had become used to him, and I really liked him. It's so difficult to let go of a character you really like, and for that reason I honestly hope the OP can adjust to Matt. If he/she can't, then I'm happy they have the opportunity to watch other stuff with DT. As I said so many times before, I have been lucky, I always found something amazing in all the doctors and even the companions. Dr Who is a show I wouldn't want to miss watching, but I do understand why people have problems with change.”

I'm just working my way through the box set series 1 - 4. So far have watched 1-3 of series 1 and am finding myself wanting to fast forward to series 2. Christopher Eccleston just doesn't do it for me at all. His grin seems really false and his character is brittle. Much prefer DT and MS . For some people it doesn't matter who plays the doctor, but if I'd started watching it in series 1 I'd have probably given up. I'm just thankful they chose such a brilliant replacement fror DT even though it took me a couple of weeks to get used to him.
Digital Sid
08-05-2010
:yawn::sleep: Who?
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