That's what I've been saying since early May. Only you're the first person since I've been posting this theory who has agreed with me...


If you read all of my original posts, you will see that it isn't an ordinary house.... Exterior shots show it to be a two story house with a shallow roof... very little roofspace/attic. My inlaws used to live in one too. Those types of house do not have such a substantial staircase to lead to what is basically a crawlspace... they have a square opening in a ceiling, usually the landing ceiling, and one needs a ladder to get up there. Like Guttedgirl says... The subplot of The Lodger was to remind/reinforce viewers of that in the same way that the Chameleon Arch was used in Family of Blood to introduce the concept before it's use in The Sound Of Drums


The reference to Karl Pilkngton was just to take the p*** out of the guy who said I must be KP to believe the above...

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Unfortunately, by using The Lodger as a refernce, you discredit your own theory.

One of the major facets of the story was that they couldn't be on the second floor because there wasn't one. Yet the house was clearly two stories high for everyone to see. Even the Doctor himself was fooled.

How does that reinforce your first theory when it's obvous from the outside that Amy's house has ony two defined floors (an arguably an attic room)? Surely by your reasoning, we wouldn't be having this conversation, as there would quite patently be another set of windows to explain the extra flight of stairs. In other words: it would be unnoticeable.

Also, as for the pre-intrduction thing, I feel it's much more likely to be the fact of using non-technological household items to create technology. He did it in Amy's Choice and in this last episode - with Craig pointing that very same fact out in a rater jarringly obvious way.

We already know there is to be a Blue-Peter prize winning 'home-made' Tardis console waiting to appear in this series...

Long-time lurker, first time poster

I have just re-watched episode one and there was one thing thats sticks out to me and it is that the doctor re-sets all the digital displays in the world to zero to make the atraxi spot prisoner zero.

surely that would cause a few problems

and no one has mentioned it on here to my recolection... coverin the no one spotted it yet

Here you can see the light and the staircase:

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Here you can see that it is blocked of at the end and it's impossible for there to be a light there unless someone put a table lamp there:

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Amelia hears the TARDIS just before the Doctor ask Amy to go with him, when she's waiting for him. I'm sure...!

Maybe the doctor Amy goes with at the end of The Eleventh Hour is the Jacket!doctor from Flesh and Stone.

I was wondering about that- he says to her to remember he's a madman with a box as one day it may save her life...

After last night's episode I also think there is more to that staircase in Amy's house than has been obvious. But I still have no idea what it is about.

Interesting!

Am wondering too whether the upstairs in The Lodger is linked with the upstairs of Amy's House? Though if the Doctor found a fledgling Tardis in JC's house why wasn't he more interested in who it belonged to. After all aren't Timelords the only ones to fly a Tardis? Maybe Prisoner Zero is a renegade Timelord? Mindless speculation once more!

Well, I admit that this is a little contrived but obviously not every perception filter works in the same way, as the filter on the door in Amelia's house just made people not notice it, whilst it was definitely there; the perception filter on Craig's house created a whole floor. The wife and I spotted there was something wrong with Craig's house right from the word 'go' because the stairs led straight up to a door, and not a landing or half-landing.
It's possible that the perception filter that I believe was at work on Amelia's house made the whole of the third floor appear to be not there, when in fact it was. ... Remember that neither Amelia nor The Doctor noticed the stairs, it was just us, the viewers (or rather, just me and Guttedgirl) that did..

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I wasn't aware of this. I guess I'm going to see it in Amelia's attic then ?

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As far as we can tell, both interiors and exteriors to Amelia/Amy's house were filmed using the same building, so there must actually be another floor up there in the building as it is in it's normal, non-Doctor Who, life

I agree with you too, when I saw the staircase leading to 'nothing', I was reminded of your thread.

I have been bleating on about lights being on in the middle of the day since the start of this series*. Whenever there is an interior scene in normal settings it seems that there is an abundance of lights (standard, table, ceiling and wall) - much, much more than in an average house. They are always lit as well. Whether this has anything to do with the plot or just to make the scene visually more interesting I don't know.

* - on other DW forums.

So when Moffat said there was somehting we did not notice, he meant litterally something that we did not notice because we could not see it.

Have to disagree with you there. Plenty of old houses that have rooms in the roof have stairs to those rooms. You only get ladders in a ceiling opening if the rooms are the result of an old conversion.

Approximately half the houses on my street are like that

Or unless you're working on a TV set. The shot with no light coming from above is set during daylight hours, where the dominant light is coming from the window. The night-time scenes need extra lighting, whether it's supposed to come from a real source or not.

It may not be that it's a whole new space - it may just be that the Doctor and Auntie Sharon are up there working on a makeshift TARDIS since the first one blew up, and they don't want to disturb their previous selves.

Basically, there's not enough info to tell.

yeah! and the way he looks at the TARDIS monitor with the the crack on it when Amy's talking to him. Also, why does go back for her and try so hard to persuade her to come with him if he doesn't know how important she is going to be? he never did that with martha or rose or donna.

All will out in the next fortnight...


I bleated on about that months ago and was generally pooh poohed by some on here. Lets see if this post turns out to be right too ! (smug)

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There is one thing I have been wondering about.

Could Amelia heard and understood the atraxi said 'Prisoner zero has escaped' without the help of TARDIS?

-She said to Santa, she had heard voices.
-When Doctor listened the voice with a glass and started to murmur 'Prisoner zero h...', she said 'Prisoner zero has escaped. So I heard. What's this mean?'

I do not think the voice spoke English.
When there is TARDIS, it automatically translate anything. But without such a help, ordinary people may not understand alien languages.
If she knew this sentence before that night, she might not be an ordinary Scotish girl.

Perhaps I have completely misunderstood.

Hmmm. When the Atraxi were broadcasting across the world, they were broadcasting in all the regional languages. I'm taking that as evidence that no translation was happening, and the speech through the crack could easily have been English. On the other hand, nobody else commented on what they heard, so it's a little uncertain.

However, two points about that are:
1) The Atraxi had to follow the Doctor to find out where Zero was hiding, suggesting they didn't necessarily know that the crack opened up onto Earth.
2) Why would they have needed to send the exact same message via psychic paper, unless they didn't know what species would receive it?

Has nobody ever read the sign on the outside of the TARDIS doors? It reads 'Pull To Open' at the bottom. So the really odd thing about them opening outwards in TEH was that that was the first time we'd ever seen them opening in the right direction.

very very very good point....

That pull to open just refers to the box in the door that contains the phone, not the actual doors themselves.