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Old 08-05-2010, 21:42
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Jenny even knew it!
Yes I think she did as well. But, all credit to her she took it very well and gave a lovely performance of SOTR..... shows class!
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Old 08-05-2010, 21:49
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This is a credible interpretation.Leak that she is popular.People think she's safe,why ring.Give her a really boring song.Tell everyone she's crap with dogs and her goldfish always die.Then give the public nonseconds to get their votes in.
I said in an earlier thread that Lauren needed some luck if she was going to win.If I had been a betting man I would have put my house on Jenny going out up against Lauren.
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Old 08-05-2010, 21:50
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Yes I think she did as well. But, all credit to her she took it very well and gave a lovely performance of SOTR..... shows class!
Totally agree,and she looked stunning as well.
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Old 08-05-2010, 21:56
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I thought Jenny was one of the best this week... And I have disliked all of Lauren's performances. I think Lauren is consistently given good songs and often is near the end, not that it matters since Andrew won't listen to the public and will save her even if she's bottom.

Poor Jenny Lauren has now knocked out two of my favourites!

I'm not saying it's fixed though, just not a result I liked
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Old 08-05-2010, 21:56
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Totally agree,and she looked stunning as well.
I also agree. I think Jenny got a raw deal right from the get-go, with John Partridge (the famous musical star and actor don't you know?) slagging her off virtually every week while he had an orgasm over Steph's performance. The standard of judging has been piss-poor and very inconsistent. ALW actually said that they'd be willing to overlook Steph's apparent lack of bonding with the dog, but weren't willing to give Jenny the same chance.
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Old 08-05-2010, 21:57
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If she can't sing send in the the clowns then that isn't their fault, that is her singing ability letting her down.
And inability to bond with a dog, obviously they're going to show it if she didn't do very well. It's not like they told the dog to behave that way.
It's more of sour grapes than a fix.
I have seen Sheridan Smith as Elle follow her dog off stage and carry it back when its done the same thing....the Legally Blonde dogs work for food and they still go on strike too.

Send in the Clowns is notoriously difficult to sing because it has so much context and its Sondheim. If they think its too difficult and unsuited for a young girl they shouldn't give it to her. If they think its not the right interpretation they should blame the vocal coach.

Its also not coincidence that it was a dull arrangement of the song of the night with the fewest money notes. Or probably that it was also given to Jodie who they also wanted out before. Jodie managed it but she looked the right age and actually was 10 (?) years older than Jenny.
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Old 08-05-2010, 22:08
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I also agree. I think Jenny got a raw deal right from the get-go, with John Partridge (the famous musical star and actor don't you know?) slagging her off virtually every week while he had an orgasm over Steph's performance. The standard of judging has been piss-poor and very inconsistent. ALW actually said that they'd be willing to overlook Steph's apparent lack of bonding with the dog, but weren't willing to give Jenny the same chance.
Tango man was pathetic tonight he as you say has had in for Jenny for weeks.
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Old 08-05-2010, 22:25
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I actually thought they were trying to get Jessice out, giving her the 2nd slot and that stupid song. I think she did a good job of it though.
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Old 08-05-2010, 22:26
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I have seen Sheridan Smith as Elle follow her dog off stage and carry it back when its done the same thing....the Legally Blonde dogs work for food and they still go on strike too.

Send in the Clowns is notoriously difficult to sing because it has so much context and its Sondheim. If they think its too difficult and unsuited for a young girl they shouldn't give it to her. If they think its not the right interpretation they should blame the vocal coach.

Its also not coincidence that it was a dull arrangement of the song of the night with the fewest money notes. Or probably that it was also given to Jodie who they also wanted out before. Jodie managed it but she looked the right age and actually was 10 (?) years older than Jenny.
Its like Bojangles with Stephanie.
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Old 08-05-2010, 23:24
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Its like Bojangles with Stephanie.
Indeed. Its pretty coincidental that Stephanie gets Sarah's exit song and Jennie gets Jodie's Send in the Clowns Have they used Summertime (Abi) yet? Looking at Jodie's songs there are some other killers there too - "I who have nothing" was even suggestive and there was the wonderfully inappropriate "working 9 to 5" which could kill a few here off too.
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Old 08-05-2010, 23:42
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Most of the grils were rubbish tonight .

Bring back Emilie !!!
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Old 08-05-2010, 23:46
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Me too. And I think this should be the last series of ALW casting someone for one of his productions. He's pathetic.
He is really, really, creepy and unsavoury and he gives me the willies but he is a very astute businessman and knows how to market his product but I think it is time for him to sit on the moon and fly away now - because he is getting way beyond his sell-by date.

You have to give credit to the old tortoise though - he certainly knows how to pull people into The West End who wouldn't normally go to see shows like The Wizard of Oz. You also have to hand it to him because this type of show encourages new talent and gives them the opportunity to be seen on prime time television and get known, and then land some plum jobs.

He's not pathetic and it sticks in my craw to say it - the man is extremely clever - but I don't like him one little bit - in fact the word that springs to mind is yuck.
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Old 08-05-2010, 23:48
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Indeed. Its pretty coincidental that Stephanie gets Sarah's exit song and Jennie gets Jodie's Send in the Clowns Have they used Summertime (Abi) yet? Looking at Jodie's songs there are some other killers there too - "I who have nothing" was even suggestive and there was the wonderfully inappropriate "working 9 to 5" which could kill a few here off too.
I wonder which of these Sophie will get next week?
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Old 08-05-2010, 23:49
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Why is Andrew a tax dodger? He lives in the UK, how does he dodge paying tax. If you know let us all know.
He doesn't live in the UK, he lives in Ireland.
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Old 09-05-2010, 13:28
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Took the words right out of my mouth!
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Old 09-05-2010, 14:53
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Took the words right out of my mouth!
If you can't honestly see that Jenny was completely stitched up last night then that's worrying. Even non-Jenny fans agree that it was a total joke.
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Old 09-05-2010, 15:09
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If you can't honestly see that Jenny was completely stitched up last night then that's worrying. Even non-Jenny fans agree that it was a total joke.
Of course she was stitched up. She can't handle a dog which, apparently, is a completely insurmountable problem.

Meanwhile, we are encouraged to vote for people with, by ALW's own admission, obvious vocal defects.

Next week and we will probably finally discover that Sophie's hair is the wrong colour and that Steph is much too short.

Why waste everybody's time, money and interest when the public vote has been rendered totally meaningless until the final?
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Old 09-05-2010, 15:10
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I had my suspicions but they must have got those percentages from somewhere, why would they risk being sued by the BBC all for the sake of an article?
Yeah, they pulled them out of their bum. This is the Daily Star we're talking about here. And why the BBC bother sueing a paper that few people take seriously over something so relatively trivial?

IMO, Jenny was, by some distance, the worst performer and worst choice for Dorothy, not just based on last night, but overall. I don't seem to be the only who believes that either. Also, she wasn't booted off because she can't act with dogs, that was just the kindly (albeit patronising) reason ALW gave at the time. Perhaps you would rather he was honest and tore into her instead.

TBH, it stinks of sour grapes to see people complaining of a 'fix' whenever their fave goes in a show like this; it's never because ALW didn't share their opinion, but because the 'evil tax-dodging creep' has concocted some dark conspiracy to get rid of their girl for some strange reason or other.
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Old 09-05-2010, 15:18
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If you can't honestly see that Jenny was completely stitched up last night then that's worrying. Even non-Jenny fans agree that it was a total joke.
I think Jenny was competently stitched up with song choice and arrangement and VT and a ridiculous dog argument and plain wrong judges comments. You were expecting her to be shown kicking the dog any minute. It was clear they wantd her out and a lot of effort seems to have been put into it.

It has to be said though that there were times when you wondered if ALW wanted a tax loss on Wizard last night. If its being manipulated it ended up in some untenable, arguments, silly comments and performances that went badly wrong. if things are being rethought the car was hurtling off off the yellowbrick road as ALW tried to change direction.

Lauren's song was bound for the bottom two where she would be able to outsing anyone he wanted out on the ong picked and with the biggest money notes in it. I think she would have been safe anyway and ended up as the means to remove anyone who did well in the sing off. That made some sense but didn't do Lauren's potential as a winner much good.

Sophie got something less well known and voter unfriendly and bad comments - why is unclear because she was the one most obviously in danger which may not be a totally bad position to be in. On the other hand she would now be a winner whose poor review was already written before the Palladium opened.

Jessica got a silly song and an outfit and routine that made her look silly and totally undorothy. She did pretty well with it.

Steph got a pretty good song and did OK with it - she needed more power though to make it a series winning number. It should have made her safe though.

Danielle got a series and show winning number with the significant problem that she couldn't sing it. Plan gone wrong or discovery of weakness and a rethink? They ought to have been able to rescue her from it by rearranging again but didn't? Is that stunning incompetence or is the focus shifting to someone safer?
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Old 09-05-2010, 18:57
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I can agree with a lot of what's been said, but there's another possibility, and that's multiple voting, and regional voting.
Assuming a regional surge in votes for one candidate shortening the voting period will lessen the effect, there is more chance that a local exchange will be overloaded. The same is also true as far as multiple votes are concerned, those who only vote once might be encouraged to vote early.
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Old 09-05-2010, 20:17
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I'm slightly annoyed Jenny went to Lauren, but I do think there was an element of fixing too, or manipulation.

Ignoring the song choice, as that can be debated either way, and it seems some people think all songs are bad songs etc.

Firstly, Jenny's comments. Charlottes particularly, disagreeing with John's criticism and saying she was magic, and then turning round and saying she wasn't Dorothy was confusing at the least, if not hypocrtical.

Secondly, the dog "challenge". Andrew made such a big deal about it (why have the other challenges never counted?) maintaining that the interaction with dogs was important and in his opinion Jenny was the weakest with the dog. Yet
why then does he talk about Lauren the dog lover, when Lauren came bottom of the challenge shown tonight (but filmed earlier)
below Jenny? His reason for saving Lauren over Jenny seemed odd last night, but tonight it was shown to be
more than a little flawed. Personally I think the dog skills could have been developed by both, but he shouldn't give that as the reason if it's not.

Thirdly, the voting. A typical call takes what, about thirty seconds? So that's about 30 votes per line in 15 mins (no more than 50 at the top end). How many lines do we think they have? If they had 120, that's 20 per girl, that's only 600 calls max each... I can't see them having upwards of 1200 lines though... If they had thousands of votes, surely the lines would be constantly engaged?
Surely then, there aren't many votes? That's why the results are so close each week?
On the other hand, maybe someone in the production team noticed jenny didn't get very many votes to start with? Always possible...
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:08
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He doesn't live in the UK, he lives in Ireland.
Funny, I thought he lived a few miles from me at Sydmonton Court, near Kingsclere in Hampshire. There's always something about him in the local press. I know he's got a castle in Ireland, he's also got an apartment in USA, but as he's got the house in Hampshire, where he spends a lot of his time, he pays UK tax.
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Old 10-05-2010, 13:30
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Funny, I thought he lived a few miles from me at Sydmonton Court, near Kingsclere in Hampshire. There's always something about him in the local press. I know he's got a castle in Ireland, he's also got an apartment in USA, but as he's got the house in Hampshire, where he spends a lot of his time, he pays UK tax.
Indeed he does - he pays his taxes here and puts tons and tons of money into all areas of the Arts - what a cad!

I think they're confused with Bono!
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Old 10-05-2010, 13:49
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I'm slightly annoyed Jenny went to Lauren, but I do think there was an element of fixing too, or manipulation.

Ignoring the song choice, as that can be debated either way, and it seems some people think all songs are bad songs etc.

Firstly, Jenny's comments. Charlottes particularly, disagreeing with John's criticism and saying she was magic, and then turning round and saying she wasn't Dorothy was confusing at the least, if not hypocrtical.

Secondly, the dog "challenge". Andrew made such a big deal about it (why have the other challenges never counted?) maintaining that the interaction with dogs was important and in his opinion Jenny was the weakest with the dog. Yet why then does he talk about Lauren the dog lover, when Lauren came bottom of the challenge shown tonight (but filmed earlier) below Jenny?

His reason for saving Lauren over Jenny seemed odd last night, but tonight it was shown to be
more than a little flawed. Personally I think the dog skills could have been developed by both, but he shouldn't give that as the reason if it's not.

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The judges constantly contradict themselves and each other!!!!

Today's Telegraph! "Andrew Lloyd Webber saves the Dorothy the public loves to hate"

Over the Rainbow hopefuls Lauren Samuels and Danielle Hope may have consistently wowed the show's judges with their vocal performances, but each was only just still in contention for the role of Dorothy on Sunday night after being saved from eviction by Andrew Lloyd Webber. Samuels, who at 22 is the oldest remaining contender, must have thought she was going to walk into the semi-final of the programme, which will ultimately decide who plays the lead role in Lord Lloyd-Webber's new production of The Wizard of Oz.

During Saturday night's quarter final show, she was once again lauded for her rendition of a song "none of the other girls could even consider", according to judge John Partridge, while Charlotte Church admitted: "I have to stop fawning over you because it's getting a little embarrassing".

However, their opinions cut little ice with the public, who voted her as their least favourite contender in the final six.
Gasps could be heard as Graham Norton, the show's presenter, announced that the brunette had received the fewest votes. It was the second time in the series she had been voted in the bottom two, despite the praise she has received.

She was only saved thanks to Lord Lloyd-Webber, who chose instead to send home 18-year-old Edinburgh blonde Jenny Douglas because of her lack of rapport with the terrier playing Dorothy's dog Toto

On Sunday night, Samuels managed to survive the second half of the show's 'double eviction' weekend, but this time it was bookies' favourite Danielle Hope who found herself in the bottom two. The 18-year-old also had to be saved by Lord Lloyd-Webber, who decided that quirky Jessica Robinson, 18, from Middlesbrough, should hand back her slippers and leave the show.
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Old 10-05-2010, 13:49
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He is pathetic. He's never liked Jenny.
You are obviously a mind-reader. Please let me know what numbers to cross off in the lottery at the weekend.
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