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Then the answer is simple ALW should not ask the public and hold auditions .
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I meant NOT ask the public .!!! I corrected it .,
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I've actually gone off John and Sheila, both show so much blatant favouritism.
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What's with his ridiculous American accent that he puts on sometimes? "Snap it out!" "Fierce" etc. He's like a Barrowman clone but nowhere near as good looking, experienced and charismatic.
Don't like him at all. Charlotte is a great judge - she always says what I'm thinking. I thought Jenny was brilliant last night too, beautiful vocal. But I also agreed that that doesn't make her Dorothy. |
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I find myself agreeing with JP most of the time, tbh. I'm surprised that so many people have a problem with him.
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Farks sake I'll listen to Partridge over Church any day of the week.
They're casting a stage show, Sheila and John are leaders in their profession so they know what works and what doesn't. Thank god for ALW's casting vote every week or else we'd end up with the X Factor situation where the public sent home Diana Vickers ahead of Eoghan Quigg. Who's getting great West End reviews now? The public - that's you guys - are simply not qualified enough to judge who will give the best performance on stage as Dorothy. They also have an enormous problem as they judge completely against what they would do. Sheila rambles on about what the song is about - oblivious to what it might be about or even how the best people have actually played it. She likes some performances that are so subtle they may not exist and misses others that don't fit her pre-conception. John Partridge marks on the basis of who does it as he would. But he tends towards show off, panto, OTT acting which I would pay to go miles to avoid. He misses anything subtle (except in Danielle where its magnified) and confuses acting big with having a big impact. There are big pantos and all singing all dancing shows in the Westend but there are a lot of understated, precision, acting performances that work brilliantly too. Neither of them have mastered either the other point that the viewers are judging what works down a TV screen. Thats what a sane Dorothy should be doing well - being less subtle was Helena's problem. Its a far more complex question whether who can do it well down a TV screen is going to command a Westend stage - experience suggest many people who can act well can do both better. Charlotte at least knows how to work a variety of audiences and a TV camera and she knows that there's a range of ways to interpret a song. |
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I hate. How. He appears to. Add full stops. In his sentences. When he is speaking.
Can't blame him though he is just trying to be Barrowman. I am sure there is probably a show tunes album already in the works. |
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I don't think anyone whose name was made playing a cat and who acts a third line role in Eastenders has that much claim to offer massive wisdom.
They also have an enormous problem as they judge completely against what they would do. Sheila rambles on about what the song is about - oblivious to what it might be about or even how the best people have actually played it. She likes some performances that are so subtle they may not exist and misses others that don't fit her pre-conception. John Partridge marks on the basis of who does it as he would. But he tends towards show off, panto, OTT acting which I would pay to go miles to avoid. He misses anything subtle (except in Danielle where its magnified) and confuses acting big with having a big impact. There are big pantos and all singing all dancing shows in the Westend but there are a lot of understated, precision, acting performances that work brilliantly too. Neither of them have mastered either the other point that the viewers are judging what works down a TV screen. Thats what a sane Dorothy should be doing well - being less subtle was Helena's problem. Its a far more complex question whether who can do it well down a TV screen is going to command a Westend stage - experience suggest many people who can act well can do both better. Charlotte at least knows how to work a variety of audiences and a TV camera and she knows that there's a range of ways to interpret a song. Sheila gives her opinion of the ways the songs could be sung from her point of view, what she says often seems very reasonable to me. She is an actress first, and good actresses like to hear the story, as do we all actually. I accept she is concerned with subtlety, but she saw something in Danielle that I didn't to begin with, and I am learning to listen to her carefully. I don't agree that John likes what he would do. I think he tries to be very honest about what HE thinks a performance lacks or excels in. He has a real feel for what 'makes sense', what 'carries coherently as a whole' on the stage. This makes him a valuable judge in my opinion. Charlotte Church is a good singer, what she has to say about the vocals is often interesting - she rarely says anything really intersting about anything else, however, and sometimes she doesn't seem to understand the songs she is talking about. As for her understanding what works with different sorts of audiences, perhaps she does, but she has had limited experience and success and this shows sometimes. The judges NECESSARILY speak from their knowledge, experience and understanding. I find it interesting hearing their views whilst fully accepting this. As for what 'translates to tv', well, I don't know. But the actual part is to be played in a big West End theatre, so the judges are judging it on this basis. The audience can make its own mind up about who they like on tv. The Dorothies would do well to think about this, however I doubt they do. They are just trying to do their best, they don't know what goes down the best, how could they? I'm not sure I do to be honest, and people seem to disagree about who is good, and not so good, for many reasons. |
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I don't like John Partridge anymore
I stopped liking him when he started to criticise Sophie
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I stopped liking him when he started to criticise Sophie
![]() She's bottom two for me - lacklustre and never really delivers. She has an ordinary voice too, but she is very, very beautiful, and a bit underdoggy I suppose.
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Just caught up with this thread.
Charlotte has interrupted John at least as many times as he has interrupted her. There have been a couple of occasions where I felt CC's interruptions have been verging on rude and very dismissive - when she has the experience under her belt that he has then she is justified in dismissing his opinion! He is the experienced musical theatre performer. She is a talented singer but not in the same environment as John. He is very enthusiastic - witness his seal-like clapping when there is a good performance - and, I think, says it as it is rather than give the girls a whole load of flannel.
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Aww - she your favourite SULLA?
She's bottom two for me - lacklustre and never really delivers. She has an ordinary voice too, but she is very, very beautiful, and a bit underdoggy I suppose. ![]()
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She has a presence
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I thought John P was on form last night. He said exactly what I was thinking and there was none of this "fierce!" and "you go girl!" crap which I find a bit jarring.
Where Sophie is concerned, we aren't really in a position to disagree with what John and the others panelists say because we aren't in the studio. We don't know if she struggles to project to an immediate audience. She comes across well on the television screen but she's auditioning for a part on the West End stage. |
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I actually like that Charlotte stick to what she knows, namly the singing.
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Of a pretty kind, not enough of the stage kind though
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I thought John P was on form last night. He said exactly what I was thinking and there was none of this "fierce!" and "you go girl!" crap which I find a bit jarring.
Where Sophie is concerned, we aren't really in a position to disagree with what John and the others panelists say because we aren't in the studio. We don't know if she struggles to project to an immediate audience. She comes across well on the television screen but she's auditioning for a part on the West End stage.
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Agreed
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I thought John P was on form last night. He said exactly what I was thinking and there was none of this "fierce!" and "you go girl!" crap which I find a bit jarring.
Where Sophie is concerned, we aren't really in a position to disagree with what John and the others panelists say because we aren't in the studio. We don't know if she struggles to project to an immediate audience. She comes across well on the television screen but she's auditioning for a part on the West End stage. She's obviously the least physically competent though, even on the tv. |
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Was quite hopeful when these judges started but they seem to have lost their way. Personally I enjoyed JB as a judge and have spent out on many tickets here and abroad to see him perform and have never been disapointed.
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JP was amazing tonight!
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i'm not struck on john partridge ever since he started as a judge.
but, i did like rum tum tugger in cats, and reading something earlier made me look up his dates etc - realised i saw him as rum tum tugger, which in turn reminded me that when i saw cats, i was amazed to see that the actor playing that part had been the butcher in hunting of the snark! and i thought he was absolutely stunning and gorgeous in that! sadly, i don't think he has aged so well! don't find him remotely attractive now at all ! scarily, also worked out he is the same age as me! |
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Maybe the 'public' don't thoroughly understand that 'liking' a particular girl is not enough for that to work brilliantly on the stage in a particular part?
Maybe some do and some don't, obviously. But the professionals do, or they wouldn't be in the business. It takes a lot more than talent, prettiness, niceness etc., it's a very tough business, you can work your socks off and still get slated in the reviews, whoever wins 'Dorothy' will need to be tough and have lots of stamina and grow a thick skin very quickly, as she will be criticised from any given quarter. Take for example Martine McCutcheon, a lovely, pretty, talented young woman, but just couldn't hack it, physically, emotionally or mentally, when she did My Fair Lady and spent the majority of her time on the show 'off sick'. Hence she was known in the West End as the 'understudies favourite' as they always got a chance to shine. All this needs to be born in mind when selecting 'Dorothy' - and if the 'chosen one' can't take a little constructive bashing from one of the judges then she needs not to be there. Trust me a Saturday matinee full of kids is harsher than any judge on any talent show anywhere. And our 'Dorothy' will have this kind of thing to face. And how she deals with that is a measure of her real talent as a West End professional. John P. knows what he's talking about. |
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Have you heard him sing?
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He has got a really good voice actually. I don't anyone apart from Charlotte is going to get to sing on the results show, and from what she sang this weekend it wasn't worth bothering.
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He often sounds insincere and often times his comments do not ring true for me. Therefore I do not trust his appraisals.....not one bit. I notice he often comments in black or white which I find is off-putting.
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