There was a mention of OTR on Points of View yesterday - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...10_Episode_16/ - OTR at the beginning

Two points regarding the declaration of lowest vote prior to the sing off and the handing back of shoes prior to the final song for the departee, plus a few words from the BBC.

For the fix and conspiracy fans on the forum (or anyone else) - pass your views to the BBC for them to consider changes for the next show of this type

.......also have you noticed that the Dorothy walking up the yellow brick road at the end of the trailer with the Tin man etc has red hair !

Lol Well I trusted you

Well I hope the girl walking the yellow brick road with the red hair is Sophie!!!!

There's a similarly critical letter in this week's Radio Times.

I wrote to BBC after the bias on Saturday nights episode as I seen it, no reply as yet.

What bias was this? I watched the same programme and didn't see any bias. If it's worth writing to the BBC about it must have been quite bad, yet I didn't notice it.

I noticed the red hair thing last week

1. they got rid of Jenny because she didn't bond with the dog, and then the next night showed her bonding with the dog and Lauren not... And ALW said "oh it doesn't matter about Lauren not getting on with the dog, we would be able to work past that" or words to that effect

2. Danielle being saved despite being not as good in her solo, group performances or sing off performance

etc etc

I have one thing to say Ruby: :yawn:

Get a grip people or else get to the local hospital to get some treatment for your paranoia!!!!

If you don't see that the dog business was a stitch-up, you're in denial frankly.

Surely these issues are all a matter of perspective and opinion, Danielle wasn't that bad.

As for Jenny, he just didn't think she was right for the part so exercised his option to get her to leave as per the rules of the show.

Then he could have said that. He's said that to other girls.

Thats the problem with manipulation. If everyone noticed it no one would do it. Thereagain no one can prove it or prove intent, so its difficult to stop.

The first bias is in the song choices. For example with Bojangles. Someone asked the folk on here last series what was their list of killer songs for a contestant - Bojangles wins. Then Sarah gets it and goes when she's had a run of good performances and hasn't been bottom two. Then it turns up again for Stephanie who is bookies favourite, doing well, not in the bottom 2, popular and she goes. You have two choices - the first is that its coincidence and she got it randomly or because someone thought it good be good for her. The second is that whoever gave her the song knows exactly what a lot of posters here knew about the song and its history. Same with Clowns (last seen given to Jodie when she was not wanted)

The second bias is the VTs - this time when Jenny's dog handling issues are claimed to be terminal on Saturday but magically vanish in Sunday's VT.That one was actually proveably misleading. Or you have the strange one where Jessica got the most negative VT just before she went - after weeks of good reports and avoiding the bottom two.

It could all be horrible coincidence, but when the three people who have avoided the bottom two and seem to be contenders for the last 4 all vanish within 2 weeks, in these circumstances, it stretches credibility beyond that. When its possible to predict beforehand that the two people who have not been in the bottom two will go in the double elimination because ALW doesn't want them anywhere near the final and they both go, things look decidedly unlikely to all be coincidence..

Say what you want about Jenny's exit, but I really don't think Jessica's was planned at all. She performed early in the program, got good comments, and was shown handling the dog well in the dog task. ALW also looked genuinely upset to have to let her go. It came to the point where she was up against someone who fit the part better, and she was let go, but I think she would have stayed if she had been against anyone else except possibly Lauren.

I've always thought that Jessica had that extra special quality, which Connie, Lee and Jodie had which made them so suitable to their roles. I know some people have said that she isn't a Dorothy, but to me she was and at the beginning, and throughout the whole of the competition, it seemed that she was the one who would win. I suspect that ALW liked her more than he let on. Since that first audition she did in front of him, I've noticed he sort of gets a bit excited when she starts performing. I agree with SnoopMK, I don't think ALW wanted her to go at all, it was just because she was with Danielle that she had to go.

Exactly. You always talk such sense.

Yep, I could not agree more.

That's not a fact, it's subjective.

As attached as I'd become to Jess, I thought Danielle was slightly better in the sing-off, and ALW was right to hang on to her.

I noticed this a few weeks ago, but then lord help us if she'd had long curly brown hair like Danielle, eh!

Even my friend from work who has never liked Jenny said she was stiched up.

His comment before the voting was remember that they have to bond with the dog or something like that. Would he have said that if it had been the dog task that had been shown where lauren came last ......

I agree with you. I would love to see Jessica in the West End. Jessica did have it all and she would have played a good Dorothy, The only contestant left who I feel has that same vibrant personality and believable relationship with the audience when she sings is Steph.

However I do think that Lauren is pure quality and quite outstanding. I really hope that she goes on to be a top West End singer. Maybe the part of Dorothy won't suit her as much as leading parts in other shows.

I like all the remaining girls and would be happy for any of them to win and this includes the ones that went for the past couple of weeks. As regards to Jenny getting stiched up, thats not how I saw it. Both of them were put into the bottom 2 by the general voting public. ALW obviously didn't think Jenny was his choice just the same as not enough people voted for her. It has been the same rules for everyone and whenever someone has to choose between 2 people they will have their own personal opinions involved for whatever reason. My opinion is that ALW didn't really feel that Jenny was the right person and the dog excuse he mentioned was just a small part of it that he happened to mention. I am sure ALW had other issues with Jenny. When it was at 11 girls, Jenny was the one I was cheering for, but as time went on the other girls also showed a lot of talent and in many areas beat her hands down.

But again, thats the opinion of me and someone else would have a completely different view. With all these reality TV shows, there is always the call of fix and stitch-up when someone's favourite goes. There probably is an air of favourtism within the production team because at the end of the day they are doing this to make money and they will go towards the girl that they consider is more marketable.

I really do believe that ALW does have a hard job deciding as not only are they all talented but there has probably been a fair amound of bonding going on between everyone as the weeks have progressed. But ALW is looking at this from a profit making prospective as well as anything else.

Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“If you don't see that the dog business was a stitch-up, you're in denial frankly.”

It certainly was! Never seen anything so blatent (and I'm not Scottish!). Jenny took it very well and I do think Lauren deserved to go through but that was just the most ridiculous reason.

I think you're missing the point. If the voting public prefer other girls to Jenny and put her in the bottom two, then I have no problem with that (thouh I disagree). If ALW prefers the other girl and chooses to save her, then I have no problem with that. These are simply personal opinion and the rules of the show.

I'm sure the dog wasn't even a small part of the reason ALW really had for letting Jenny go because it was bollocks and he knew it was. He must have, because he would have been aware of the task footage we saw on Sunday night which showed that Jenny was perfectly capable of working with a dog. Yet on Saturday night during the voting we were led to believe she couldn't just because one dog ran off while she was acting with it. It's a clear stitch-up.