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EastEnders - Beginning of the end?
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alan45
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by KidA:
“it's the beebs flag ship show, they use it to bring viewers to BBC1 in the evening, it's the backbone of the schedule. It's going nowhere.
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A freudian slip. EE is going nowhere. How very true. It has been going nowhere for the last 18 months.
craigw
19-05-2004
I seem to remember that when Tim Henman was playing David Nalbandian at Wimbledon last year, it got 13m and beat Corrie in that slot!

I agree with the comment about the hot weather, and the fact that Emmerdale was on. Anyway, these are overnight figures, and don't count those who've recorded it. You will also need to add those who watch the episode on BBC3 and the Sunday omnibus, which always seems to do well. When you add all these figures up to find out how many watched any other episode(probably not last nights though) it will quite often beat Corrie.

Craig
Neily N
19-05-2004
You know something, it doesn't surprise me that Eastenders got very low viewing figures. I can understand why. If the viewers are going to be treated to desperate, boring storylines, then its automatic they'll switch off.

Looking at it - the Kat/Alfie/Andy storyline has bene going on since the middle of March, and its sooo painful to watch, it makes surgery look easy. Some storylines are down-right daft such as Vickie trying to hook up Spencer and Kelly through horoscopes in the newspaper. Who'd want to touch that pillock? The Ferrira's money problems. No-one can stand this boring family and the sooner they go the better. Laura's death - wow, she was killed..... by a £1 toy!

On top of that, the off-screen antics of Dirty Den and Elaine Lordan. Hey they are even more entertaining that the show itself! I reckon Eastenders could gain more viewers with Dirty Den's webcam sex - eeeeeeeeeeeew actually it would kill them off good and proper.

I'm afriad the end will be nigh because sooner or later the BBC will see the faults and it may be by bye Albert Square.
ArtyAttack
19-05-2004
Have to agree with you. Cartoon gangster Andy and the Moons have been going on far too long. Pain in the neck Vicki and dead head Spencer will not bring in viewers and dont get me started on the Ferreiras!
Starlett
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“Cartoon gangster Andy and the Moons have been going on far too long.”

I know! Andy acts so hard yet he can't even get Billy mitchell to move out of the house! Its just funny! And totally agree that this Moons/Andy/money thinkg has gone on way too long. It all started back in November last year when Little Mo got raped and since then it has gone on and on. Thankd god they have finally paid him off so it can hopefully end! To be honest, I really do actually prefer the Ferreiras storyline to this!
Neily N
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“Have to agree with you. Cartoon gangster Andy and the Moons have been going on far too long. Pain in the neck Vicki and dead head Spencer will not bring in viewers and dont get me started on the Ferreiras!”

I'm glad you agree with me about Spencer - yes he is a dead head, and in real life he wouldn't get a girlfriend or even a boyfriend for that matter. Hey not even Nicola Brain (local tart) would touch him.

All those characters you have mentioned do not have any appeal to anyone, not even to stupid 13 year olds. The best thing is to find actors who can act or better still axe the damn show to put it out of its misery.
Twinkle Toes
19-05-2004
Being beaten by Emmerdale must be hugely embarrasing for the beeb. And they can try are lay the blame elsewhere all they like, the fact is the reason they got bashed by emmerdale is that its a million times better than EE. With gripping storylines and great acting. Something EE is sorely lacking at the moment. I honestly don't know why ITV have two episodes of Corrie on a Monday. They should just but an hour show on, that could be the last nail in EE's coffin.

And according to Gary Bushell in the sunday People, the reason EE beat Corrie at the soap awards was beacuse the BBC threatened to withdraw support if it was a Corrie clean sweep again.
Starlett
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes:
“I honestly don't know why ITV have two episodes of Corrie on a Monday. They should just but an hour show on, that could be the last nail in EE's coffin.”

ITV and the BBC have an agreement that they are not to show each others soaps while one is on. If you get what I mean. So, for example, Corrie is on at 7.30pm on Monday so BBC wouldn't be allowed to show EastEnders at that time, should they ever want to. Do you get it. I haven't really explained it too well but you get the jist.

They were fed up of battling it out for the ratings that they signed a contract that promised that they wouldn't do the above!
Neily N
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes:
“Being beaten by Emmerdale must be hugely embarrasing for the beeb. And they can try are lay the blame elsewhere all they like, the fact is the reason they got bashed by emmerdale is that its a million times better than EE. With gripping storylines and great acting. Something EE is sorely lacking at the moment. I honestly don't know why ITV have two episodes of Corrie on a Monday. They should just but an hour show on, that could be the last nail in EE's coffin.

And according to Gary Bushell in the sunday People, the reason EE beat Corrie at the soap awards was beacuse the BBC threatened to withdraw support if it was a Corrie clean sweep again.”

Well proves the point, the awards were fixed.
Starlett
19-05-2004
Come on! Do you really think they would fix the British Soap Awards? Get serious! Its not likely is it! It would be out before this and it would be all over the papers and it would be on the DS soaps page! Of course it wasn't fixed. Some people just wish it was so they can use it as a reason why EE came out on top and then decide that it must be fixed. EE is worthy of Best Soap, so is Corrie but they both couldn't win! EE beat Corrie! Deal with it!
Safra
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by craigw:
“
I agree with the comment about the hot weather, and the fact that Emmerdale was on. Anyway, these are overnight figures, and don't count those who've recorded it. You will also need to add those who watch the episode on BBC3 and the Sunday omnibus, which always seems to do well. When you add all these figures up to find out how many watched any other episode(probably not last nights though) it will quite often beat Corrie.
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Hot weather -- wasn't it on on Monday as well?? Also in the summer i have never known ratings to drop this much! Im sure Emmerdale and EE have been head to head a couple of times either this year or last yet EE never went below 10 million in the overnight ratings!! The simple reason EE was so low last night in viewing figures and audience share is because its crap! And it shows people will easily do something else or watch something else if it has something better to offer than EE. I don't watch Emmerdale but that sounded far more interesting than what happened on EE last night! EE keep getting all these wake-up calls, bad publicity about the show & its stars, snubbed at the BAFTA's and now low ratings! When will they take note of them!???
BBCblob
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes:
“ I honestly don't know why ITV have two episodes of Corrie on a Monday. They should just but an hour show on, that could be the last nail in EE's coffin.
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EE could have put the nail in Coro's coffin a long long long long time ago, when they had all strong storylines like 'Who shot Phil?'

Don't you realise that Coro Streets viewing figures would also be lower, this would mean the amount to advertise between these slots would be reduced, ITV certainly wouldnt want that.
Safra
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by craigw:
“
You will also need to add those who watch the episode on BBC3 and the Sunday omnibus, which always seems to do well. When you add all these figures up to find out how many watched any other episode(probably not last nights though) it will quite often beat Corrie.

Craig”

Thats not very fair though it is, adding up EE's episode, omnibus on BBC1 & 3 to go against One episode of Corrie!
Im sure if Corrie added up its ratings for its episode on ITV1, repeat on ITV2 and the omnibus, then it would still be on top.

These ratings are just for the BBC1 / ITV1 showing of the soaps and thats what mainly counts. If people stop watching EE on BBC1 and ratings keep falling, then the BBC will axe it. If it does well on BBC Three then they may move it to there (but i doubt it) but it wont be shown on BBC1 if its ratings fall and become so bad!
msf
19-05-2004
yes the hot weather only bothered EE viewers, it's very selective like that
is the hot weather
Safra
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by BBCblob:
“EE could have put the nail in Coro's coffin a long long long long time ago, when they had all strong storylines like 'Who shot Phil?'

Don't you realise that Coro Streets viewing figures would also be lower, this would mean the amount to advertise between these slots would be reduced, ITV certainly wouldnt want that.”

Thats why i wouldn't want to see Corrie & EE head to head as it Could affect Both soaps, not just one of them. They are the 2 top soaps (but for how long?? lol) so shouldn't go head to head as some people do like both.

If they ever did go head to head though i know which one i would be watching, and its not EE!
BBCblob
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by Safra:
“Hot weather -- wasn't it on on Monday as well?? Also in the summer i have never known ratings to drop this much! Im sure Emmerdale and EE have been head to head a couple of times either this year or last yet EE never went below 10 million in the overnight ratings!! The simple reason EE was so low last night in viewing figures and audience share is because its crap! And it shows people will easily do something else or watch something else if it has something better to offer than EE. I don't watch Emmerdale but that sounded far more interesting than what happened on EE last night! EE keep getting all these wake-up calls, bad publicity about the show & its stars, snubbed at the BAFTA's and now low ratings! When will they take note of them!???”

All of the viewing figures were much lower last night, what other explanation do you have other than the weather?
Bad Girls got around 5 million while it usually attracts 7 million, Holby was also lower.
BBCblob
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by Safra:
“Thats why i wouldn't want to see Corrie & EE head to head as it Could affect Both soaps, not just one of them. They are the 2 top soaps (but for how long?? lol) so shouldn't go head to head as some people do like both.

If they ever did go head to head though i know which one i would be watching, and its not EE!”

Its good for everyone that we have a choice, if EE was axed imagine if Coro went bad, what would all the soap addicts do?

I agree they shouldnt go head to head. And if they did, I would just watch Coro on Saturdays, not as if 'Everyones talking about it'
Safra
19-05-2004
Originally Posted by BBCblob:
“All of the viewing figures were much lower last night, what other explanation do you have other than the weather?
Bad Girls got around 5 million while it usually attracts 7 million, Holby was also lower.”

All were lower, but EE's actual share of people watching was also a Lot lower too!
ArtyAttack
19-05-2004
Viewers have had enough of boring drawn out storylines. The Andy/Kat/Alfie thing is even more boring than the Ferreiras nonsense. I find it hard to believe that Andy could demand anything with menace and where did Alfie suddenly manage to get all the money to pay him? If only he had done this a lot sooner then he could have put us all out of our misery. Oh how I looked forward to every Friday night with Alfie not having enough money to pay Andy. What a corker of a storyline! The Ferreiras housing problems are hardly scintillating either. Who cares if they lose their house? I hope to see the back of them soon. Maybe they could put Vicki and Spencer in their suitcases and kill two birds with one stone. Martins personality transplant is truley wonderful to behold. He is nearly as saintly as Sonia now. Not bad for someone who has killed her ex-fiancee, blackmailed the Ferreira girl and stolen money from his mother and the stall. The Ian paternity thing started well over a year ago so who cares how it ends. Another mother in waiting will come along anytime soon and marry the sexy rascal, and Den walks around the place bored out of his mind talking on his mobile to some mystery woman. I think we are meant to guess who it is. Oh the suspense! Hope its all above board and not his private dirty business again. The rest of the time he is talking through clenched teeth. All he needs is Sharon on his knee and we`ve got the new Keith Harris and Orville though the amount of make-up that Spencer puts on, he might be better sitting there and would probably enjoy it more.
They say there is no such thing as bad publicity but Eastenders disproves this. Some of the cast have never been out of the papers lately for their bad behaviour. Someone needs to get a firm grip on the show and fast.
Drifter
20-05-2004
Originally Posted by msf:
“yes the hot weather only bothered EE viewers, it's very selective like that
is the hot weather”



This weather thing is quite daft, like someone said, it was hot on Monday, too!
mwnn
20-05-2004
surely its swings and roundabouts, like any program its going to have its rises and its slumps. When it was ticking over no one was saying that much about it, A program has a slump for a short time in its long life span and the end is being called for.

Corrie was down and out for years but for a long while now ive preferred it just because its not so bloody depressed (and that peter kaye episode worked for me!!) Had to laugh today when mate called it Benders.. short for Bloody Eastenders...class
Helen 2002
20-05-2004
I'll only start worrying if this continues. It was more than likely a one off because of what was going on in Emmerdale. I bet if you check the ratings for the 10pm repeat on BBC3 it'll be up.

Helen
WalfordWill
20-05-2004
Its a bad time if you're a fan of EastEnders like I've been all me life. EastEnders has always been on in my house from its early days and it would be weird if it werent' around anymore. In saying that in its current state, it is an appaulling excuse for top quality drama. I think one of its biggest downfalls is that Albert Square is not a place people can identify with. Most of EE's big storylines of late have been about gangsters, Mitchells vs Watts, Andy forcing Kat to sleep with him so he doesn't kill Alfie. Sonia and Martin getting married after he killed Jamie less than three years ago, Sharon and Dennis big romance that is forgotten by the following week. Its all sensational storyline after sensational storyline, big storylines that are badly written to begin with and so far fetched a five year old could have written them.

A big character cull is needed, they can't deny that the problems that they are having lie with some of the characters. Nobody seems to have liked The Ferreiras since they arrived a year ago, although I did enjoy their earlier storyline of the wedding and viewers seeing their mother was really alive. However the rest after that were boring and very drawn out also they got too much episode time. I think an episode cull is needed aswell. Cut it back to three eps a week and get in some new writers. Inject it with some good character led storylines both gritty and some form of happy medium and for gods sakes start the show moving again. You could not have watched EastEnders for a months on end and you'd still be able to tune and follow on from the last time you saw it.
Papyrus
20-05-2004
"Eastenders - Everyone's talking about it."

That was a lying self-fulfilling prophecy if I've ever heard one...
Papyrus
20-05-2004
Originally Posted by willhung:
“Nobody seems to have liked The Ferreiras since they arrived a year ago, although I did enjoy their earlier storyline of the wedding and viewers seeing their mother was really alive. However the rest after that were boring and very drawn out also they got too much episode time. I think an episode cull is needed aswell. Cut it back to three eps a week...”

There is no disrespect meant here, I don't love or loathe the Ferreiras or any Asians etc. But EE in the past have culled the Asian residents, eg Sanjay, Gita, his mum and Robbie's girlfriend only to bring back more.

I've also heard Asians knock the Ferrerias.

Incidentally, when is Robbie returning..?
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