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Old 16-05-2010, 10:51
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The Prisoner retakes Britain's Got More Talent it seems:

Saturday 15th May 2010 - Multichannel
BBC Three
19:10 - Doctor Who Confidential: 0.49m (2.7%)
19:55 - Top Gear: 0.27m (1.3%)
21:00 - FILM: Flightplan: 0.69m (3.5%)
22:30 - Russell Howard's Good News Best Bits: 0.55m (3.9%)
23:30 - Family Guy: 0.48m (4.8%)
23:50 - Family Guy: 0.44m (5.2%)

BBC Four
20:00 - Francesco's Venice: 0.32m (1.5%)
21:00 - Wallander: 0.40m (2.0%)

BBC HD
18:25 - Doctor Who: 0.34m (1.9%)

ITV2
21:00 - Britain's Got More Talent: 1.40m (6.8%)
22:00 - Celebrity Juice: 0.64m (3.6%)
22:45 - FILM: Van Helsing: 0.41m (4.7%)

ITV3
15:20 - FILM: Calamity Jane: 0.28m (2.3%)
17:55 - Poirot: 0.35m (2.0%)
20:00 - Inspector Morse: 0.46m (2.2%)
22:15 - A Touch of Frost: 0.35m (2.9%)

Sky`
17:30 - The Simpsons: 0.32m (2.4%)
19:30 - The Simpsons: 0.32m (1.7%)

Sky Sports 1
12:00 - Live Football League: 0.31m (3.8%)

Film4
21:00 - FILM: Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story: 0.30m (1.6%)
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Old 16-05-2010, 12:00
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Quoting rzt from Part 8:

True, though BGT hasn't really changed that much aesthetically - same judges, same sort of auditions stage since series one. They'll probably need to make changes next year to avoid the show going stale and replace Amanda/Piers/both. Also, the talent generally this year just hasn't been up to scratch. I thought last year's wasn't good (well, except for the final) but this year's is definitely worse.
I think it's definitely time to replace Amanda, as she's really getting on my nerves this year with her inane comments and claiming that the most pointless of acts is 'entertaining'. If they replace her with a big name and invite more of a variety of talent to audition, and not just singers and samey-dance acts then they'll be set for a few more years, as I think it'll soon be make or break point for BGT. Whilst it doesn't feel tired yet, signs of fatigue are beginning to slip in, like they did in the fourth series of The X Factor. The X Factor was therefore revitalised with series five, which looked and felt different and much more fresh, and I think the time has come to do the same to BGT.

For what it's worth, I think the talent is OK this year but it definitely needs more variety, which has been somewhat lacking in the last couple of series.
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Old 16-05-2010, 12:08
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Originally Posted by "RZT"
Saturday 15th May Overnights
BBC One
06:00- Breakfast: 1.4 (30.9%)
10:00- Saturday Kitchen Live: 1.8m (27.1%)
11:30- Great British Menu: 1.3m (21.0%)
12:10- Formula 1: 2.2m (26.0%)
14:35- Murder, She Wrote: 1.0m (10%)
15:20- The Weakest Link: 1.0m (8%)
16:05- Junior Apprentice: 1.0m (8%)
17:05- BBC News: 2.2m (16.2%)
17:15- Regional News: 2.7m (19.8%)

17:25- Total Wipeout: The Final: 3.5m (24.0%)
18:25- Doctor Who: 5.8m (31%)
- inc. HD: 6.2m (33.0%)
19:10- Over The Rainbow: 5.2m (26%)
- inc. HD: 5.3m (27.0%)
20:10- The National Lottery: Who Dares Wins: 4.2m (18.6%)
21:00- Casualty: 5.4 (25.0%)
21:50- Live at the Apollo: 3.6m (19%)
- inc. HD: 3.7m (19.2%)
22:35- BBC News: 3.3m (19.8%)
22:55- The Heartbreak Kid: 1.5m (15.8%)

BBC Two
19:30- Dad's Army: 1.4m ( 7.0%)
20:00- The Boats That Built Britain: 0.9m (4.2%)
20:30- The Boats That Built Britain: 0.9m (3.8%)
21:00- Have I Got a Bit More News For You: 2.4m (11.2%)
21:40- I'm in a Rock 'n' Roll Band!: 1.7m ( 8.7%)

ITV1
13:10- FA Cup Final: Chelsea vs. Portsmouth: 3.9m (34.6%)
- 15 minute peak: 6.5m (48.2%) at 16:40
- match average: 5.5m (46%)
17:30- Regional News: 2.5m (19.5%)
17:45- ITV News & Weather: 2.9m (20.7%)
18:00- You've Been Framed!: Funniest 100: 4.1m (23.2%)
- inc. HD: 4.2m (24.0%)
19:00- The Whole 19 Yards: 4.2m (21.7%)
- inc. HD: 4.3m (22.3%)
20:00- Britain's Got Talent: 9.6m (42.8%)
- inc. HD: 9.7m (43.8%)
- 15 minute peak: 10.1m (43.7%) at 20:45
21:00- The Prisoner: 1.6m ( 7.4%)
22:00- ITV News and Weather: 2.0m (10.0%)
22:15- FA Cup Highlights: 1.0m (6%)

Channel 4
16:55- Come Dine with Me: 1.1m (8.5%)
17:25- Come Dine with Me: 1.5m (9%)
18:00- Come Dine with Me: 1.6m (8.5%)
18:30- Channel 4 News: 0.9m (4.7%)
19:00- Blitz Street: 0.9m (4.6%)
20:00- Time Team Special: 0.9m (3.8%)
21:00- Die Hard: 1.9m (9.2%)

Five
17:05- Blue Thunder: 0.7m (4.2%)
19:00- Five News: 0.8m (4%)
19:05- NCIS: 1.0m (5.2%)
20:05- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: 0.8m (3.8%)
21:00- CSI: NY: 1.8m ( 8.3%)
22:00- Law and Order: 1.1m (6.1%)
From last thread.
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Old 16-05-2010, 12:11
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And to think the first thread got to 900+ pages! Also anyone else find that the new home page sometimes has the blogs/broadcasting section listed, and other times doesn't?


Back to BGT and Cowell is the one who frustrates me, stopping acts just as they get going because he doesn't like the song! I did think though last nights BGT was the best of the series with a decent mix of acts, most of whom after the first part were in the good category. Thought that impressionist was awful though - after a pretty poor Harry Hill effort he fill into the old trap of doing stuff from 30 years ago!
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Old 16-05-2010, 12:21
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BGT is still going strong, one episode dropping below 10m isn't a big issue, especially as the other episodes have been in the high 11m range once the final ratings come out.

How is the average of BGT auditions so far and Doctor Who comparing with previous series. The spike last year/at Christmas may be causing unrealistic expectations?

6-7m for the FA Cup is perfectly acceptable in this day and age when it is no longer seen as the one to win, and when football fans are served up dozens of matches per week on Sky Sports etc.
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Old 16-05-2010, 12:31
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BGT is still going strong, one episode dropping below 10m isn't a big issue, especially as the other episodes have been in the high 11m range once the final ratings come out.

How is the average of BGT auditions so far and Doctor Who comparing with previous series. The spike last year/at Christmas may be causing unrealistic expectations?
Doctor Who Series 4 (overnights) 7.7m
Doctor Who Series 5 (overnights) 6.71m

But when the 'Timeshifted' ratings are in, this series is rating higher then any of the Tennant series so far.

I think all the episodes (Timeshifted) this series are getting around 8.0m.

Why people don't watch it as 'live' nowdays... I don't know!
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Old 16-05-2010, 12:45
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Doctor Who Series 4 (overnights) 7.7m
Doctor Who Series 5 (overnights) 6.71m

But when the 'Timeshifted' ratings are in, this series is rating higher then any of the Tennant series so far.

I think all the episodes (Timeshifted) this series are getting around 8.0m.

Why people don't watch it as 'live' nowdays... I don't know!
Because it goes out at 6.30 on a warm Spring Saturday and some people use modern technology to stop TV dictating their lives.

As a non-commercial organisation, the BBC won't care how people watch their programmes just as long as they do.
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Old 16-05-2010, 14:21
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The Whole 19 Yards has held a very consistent audience. Will this be enough to commission another series? Maybe a Sunday evening move in the winter?
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Old 16-05-2010, 14:28
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I think it's definitely time to replace Amanda, as she's really getting on my nerves this year with her inane comments and claiming that the most pointless of acts is 'entertaining'. If they replace her with a big name and invite more of a variety of talent to audition, and not just singers and samey-dance acts then they'll be set for a few more years, as I think it'll soon be make or break point for BGT. Whilst it doesn't feel tired yet, signs of fatigue are beginning to slip in, like they did in the fourth series of The X Factor. The X Factor was therefore revitalised with series five, which looked and felt different and much more fresh, and I think the time has come to do the same to BGT.

For what it's worth, I think the talent is OK this year but it definitely needs more variety, which has been somewhat lacking in the last couple of series.
There have been a few decent variety acts this year, but I do tend to like them best. I think last year took the street dance acts as far as they can go and singers generally belong on X Factor.

Last night was a decent episode and there does seem to be more consistency across the series so far than there was last year.

If ITV can end up with this series down less than 10% compared to last year, they'll probably be happy. But I would like to see some change in the show next year and I don't like the sound of having 6 semi-finals.
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More from the US. Danny Wallace's ABC sitcom about a Brit who moves to America is getting a second chance. They'll film a second pilot which is in the running for a midseason pick-up alongside Debra Messings political based sitcom, "Wright vs Wrong", which is also getting another pilot.

And The Big Bang Theory has sold in syndication for $2m an episode starting in fall 2011 (at which point they'll have around 85 episodes making that deal worth around $170m by my count). Expect lots of cast members demanding higher salaries when their contracts are up! The cable rights went to TBS, the station that will air Conan O'Brien's new late night show.

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Doctor Who Series 4 (overnights) 7.7m
Doctor Who Series 5 (overnights) 6.71m

But when the 'Timeshifted' ratings are in, this series is rating higher then any of the Tennant series so far.

I think all the episodes (Timeshifted) this series are getting around 8.0m.

Why people don't watch it as 'live' nowdays... I don't know!
Doctor Who timeshifted ratings:

Eleventh Hour (6:20pm) 10.1m
Beast Below (6:15pm) 8.4m
Victory of the Daleks (6:30pm) 7.8m (8.2m with HD)
Time of Angels (6:20pm) 8.6m
Flesh and Stone (6:25pm) 8.5m
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Old 16-05-2010, 14:59
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The Whole 19 Yards has held a very consistent audience. Will this be enough to commission another series? Maybe a Sunday evening move in the winter?
I would have thought it's done enough for a re-commission. I guess there is still no news on Push the Button, but IMO ITV would be much better also giving that a second chance with a tweaked second series rather than resurrecting the tired Takeaway format or chancing yet another new format.

All in all though not a bad 12 months for ITV gameshow wise - indeed they're very much in the forefront of the non-quiz non-reality non-celebrity based game show revivals - something we should perhaps expect from their history.

I'd like to see ITV ditch All Star Family Fortunes now and give either Take Me Out, The Whole 19 Yards or The Cube the lead in Sunday night slot before The X Factor in the autumn.
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Old 16-05-2010, 15:05
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looks like The Prisoner get BGMT
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Old 16-05-2010, 15:06
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The FA Cup did ok I suppose with it being 0.3m higher than last year but the share (34.6%) is very poor. 8% down on last year, a whopping 19% down on 3 years ago. Admittidley it was Chelsea vs Man Utd that went to extra-time but still the difference is massive.

BGT down a million or so, surprised a little as it has been very consistent around 10.6 to 10.9m so far.

No need to say anything about The Prisoner apart from I find it amusing how many viewers ITV can lose in 45 mins:

20:45 ….. 10.1 (43.7%)
21:30 ........ 1.0 ( 4.8%)
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Old 16-05-2010, 15:14
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Slightly lower all round ast night it seemed. Britain's Got Talent still doing absolutely fine. As I expected of it, to be honest. It doesn't have the same momentum as yet as it did last year, but thats hardly surprising. YBF has a very strong anti-DW audience tuning in and 19 Yards has been stable.

So difficult to judge Doctor Who now because of the timeshifting situation. When those are added in, the BBC will be delighted with it as its showing no drop off from the Tennant era at all. The Lottery shows have proven a great foil to BGT on the other side, while Over the Rainbow has built to a decent level, all considered.

The FA Cup final was about what we have come to expect since it transfered to ITV, really. There's definately been a drop-off in respect for the cup, and people are far less inclined to devote their whole afternoon to watching it. Whether thats down to the broadcaster or not, I'm sure we could spend all day debating.
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For BGT, I really think it can work without Simon. I thought Louis was far better, and by him replacing Simon on the BGT panel, that can work on X Factors favour where they can get someone a bit more relevant and younger on to freshen that show up a bit.

There isn't really much you can do with the format before it changes too much and it might not work. All changes are going to be from the judges. I don't think Simon should have axed Kelly Brook last year, I actually think she was really good and added a bit of 'nice' and dizziness to the panel to contrast with Amanda.
 
Old 16-05-2010, 16:41
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Doctor Who timeshifted ratings:

Eleventh Hour (6:20pm) 10.1m
Beast Below (6:15pm) 8.4m
Victory of the Daleks (6:30pm) 7.8m (8.2m with HD)
Time of Angels (6:20pm) 8.6m
Flesh and Stone (6:25pm) 8.5m
Thanks for these.

The figures are impressive after timeshift, evidence that people are not letting the tv rule their lives though maybe that Dr Who is not quite enough of an event to make them make room for it rather than the other way round.

The Who forums are all over the place with opinions on whether the brave new world is a good or bad one, though plenty of people still care enough to watch even if its later.
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Old 16-05-2010, 16:51
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A question about The National Lottery:In It to Win It: do the BBC One overnights include people watching the programme on the Red Button stream, where they can play along?

There was also a Red Button simulcast of Over the Rainbow.
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Old 16-05-2010, 16:56
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Slightly lower all round ast night it seemed. Britain's Got Talent still doing absolutely fine. As I expected of it, to be honest. It doesn't have the same momentum as yet as it did last year, but thats hardly surprising. YBF has a very strong anti-DW audience tuning in and 19 Yards has been stable.

So difficult to judge Doctor Who now because of the timeshifting situation. When those are added in, the BBC will be delighted with it as its showing no drop off from the Tennant era at all. The Lottery shows have proven a great foil to BGT on the other side, while Over the Rainbow has built to a decent level, all considered.

The FA Cup final was about what we have come to expect since it transfered to ITV, really. There's definately been a drop-off in respect for the cup, and people are far less inclined to devote their whole afternoon to watching it. Whether thats down to the broadcaster or not, I'm sure we could spend all day debating.
Interesting about the FA Cup. For the first time I can remember I did not watch it as I was on the M6 driving down after a couple of days in Cumbria. Part of its once huge appeal was that it was virtually the only live game a year. I bet some of the younger posters cant get their heads around that, but the anticipation nationally was so great that it could not fail to be an event-from the build up(Its a Knockout) to the after match obsession with drinking milk (why did they do that?). Now live games are on every five minutes the FA Cup has dropped much lower on the radar, and I dont think ITV are able to promote it in the same way as the BBC did reasonably successfully earlier this century.
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Old 16-05-2010, 17:05
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For BGT, I really think it can work without Simon. I thought Louis was far better, and by him replacing Simon on the BGT panel, that can work on X Factors favour where they can get someone a bit more relevant and younger on to freshen that show up a bit.

There isn't really much you can do with the format before it changes too much and it might not work. All changes are going to be from the judges. I don't think Simon should have axed Kelly Brook last year, I actually think she was really good and added a bit of 'nice' and dizziness to the panel to contrast with Amanda.
I dont see much of BGT but Iv never understood why Piers and Amanda can have any great skill in knowing which are good and bad acts any more than the average person would. Or is the idea that they arent that serious?
As for the acts, apart from a very few high profile ones I cannot remember any of them from the finals -apart from the grandfather and grandaughter who I did not think were able to carry many notes at all.
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Old 16-05-2010, 17:13
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I'd like to see ITV ditch All Star Family Fortunes now and give either Take Me Out, The Whole 19 Yards or The Cube the lead in Sunday night slot before The X Factor in the autumn.
They would be taking a big risk. All Star Family Fortunes was getting around 6-7 million when it moved to Sunday last year and none of the new shows have reached that standard on Saturday nights. I think the highest rating from the new shows was Take Me Out, they hit 5 millon in February.

I know Family Fortunes is back in the autumn so no doubt will keep the Sunday night lead in to The X Factor but The Cube will be pushed further into the autumn and will be the lead in to the live shows rather than the audition shows.
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Old 16-05-2010, 17:22
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Take Me Out has the potential to do even better given the right slot I think. Considering we all thought it was destined to flop it did remarkably well.
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Old 16-05-2010, 17:26
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I dont see much of BGT but Iv never understood why Piers and Amanda can have any great skill in knowing which are good and bad acts any more than the average person would. Or is the idea that they arent that serious?
As for the acts, apart from a very few high profile ones I cannot remember any of them from the finals -apart from the grandfather and grandaughter who I did not think were able to carry many notes at all.
Piers and Amanda work well on the panel though and I think they worked quite well with Louis. BGT is much more light hearted than most reality shows, they don't pretend their judges are massive superstars or music supremos like X Factor does.
 
Old 16-05-2010, 17:47
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Louis is no replacement for Simon at all - he should have been retired from The X Factor when he was sacked and unlike Simon, isn't exactly with it when it comes to popular culture.

Amanda and Piers shouldn't work, but they do - and there seems to be much greater respect between the judging panel on this rather than The X Factor, mainly because they truly have become friends, whilst on The X Factor they are just colleagues.


The FA Cup final was about what we have come to expect since it transfered to ITV, really. There's definately been a drop-off in respect for the cup, and people are far less inclined to devote their whole afternoon to watching it. Whether thats down to the broadcaster or not, I'm sure we could spend all day debating.
Remember though how not just TV has changed since the FA Cup broadcasts lasted all day, but media as a whole. Even forgetting about the impact of much more football on TV, you can get all the build up to the FA Cup pretty much 24/7 in the weeks running up to it now, and people don't need to be tuning into the TV to see the big talking points discussed - they're doing it themselves on various forums.

And of course the way we watch TV has changed dramatically - viewers tend to tune in specifically for the programmes they want to watch and then tune out, rather than putting the TV on and leaving it on until what they want to watch comes to air.
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Louis is no replacement for Simon at all - he should have been retired from The X Factor when he was sacked and unlike Simon, isn't exactly with it when it comes to popular culture.

Amanda and Piers shouldn't work, but they do - and there seems to be much greater respect between the judging panel on this rather than The X Factor, mainly because they truly have become friends, whilst on The X Factor they are just colleagues.



Remember though how not just TV has changed since the FA Cup broadcasts lasted all day, but media as a whole. Even forgetting about the impact of much more football on TV, you can get all the build up to the FA Cup pretty much 24/7 in the weeks running up to it now, and people don't need to be tuning into the TV to see the big talking points discussed - they're doing it themselves on various forums.

And of course the way we watch TV has changed dramatically - viewers tend to tune in specifically for the programmes they want to watch and then tune out, rather than putting the TV on and leaving it on until what they want to watch comes to air.
Also viewers are far less loyal to particular stations now. The old chestnut about middle class viewers always watching BBC1, intellectual viewers BBC2, and working class viewers watching ITV has largely gone, as most viewers flick between channels and digital has eaten away at the big two broadcasters audience share.
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Old 16-05-2010, 18:05
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I'm surprised anyone buys the idea of Simon Cowell downgrading his role in either of his two big UK talent shows. It's still a good publicity stunt, even though it's been done a few times before, but these two shows mean the world to him.I think he'd have to be dragged away kicking and screaming.
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