Originally Posted by dan2008:
“For Tonights episode?”
“For Tonights episode?”
Yes and the vast majority on the Who episode thread did too.
The Ratings Thread (Part 9)
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Originally Posted by Charnham:
“as crazy as it sounds I could see that.
If ITV ever axed it, due to the auidecne being too old, I could see calls for the BBC to air it, lots of calls of "the BBC being able to cater to demogrpahics that commercail channels can not" and obviously the BBC does not need both.”
“as crazy as it sounds I could see that.
If ITV ever axed it, due to the auidecne being too old, I could see calls for the BBC to air it, lots of calls of "the BBC being able to cater to demogrpahics that commercail channels can not" and obviously the BBC does not need both.”
If that was too happen (which it won't) the BBC would just stick with EastEnders i think because they seem loyal too it and Corrie might get higher ratings on main showing(not all the time and not by much) but EastEnders gets more viewers overall and im not quite sure Corrie gets anywhere near as much reach week on week as EastEnders(which is down to the younger viewers)
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Yes and the vast majority on the Who episode thread did too.”
“Yes and the vast majority on the Who episode thread did too.”
well when i watch it tonight hopefully i will agree
This series started off dull for me but has really picked up
God, people are now discussing the axing of Corrie! 
Although if they draw on Wednesday they can get knocked out without having lost.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“It's quite a good possibility that England will lose one match at some point this year, and that match will be on the BBC.”
“It's quite a good possibility that England will lose one match at some point this year, and that match will be on the BBC.”
Although if they draw on Wednesday they can get knocked out without having lost.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“God, people are now discussing the axing of Corrie! :rolleyes:
Although if they draw on Wednesday they can get knocked out without having lost.”
“God, people are now discussing the axing of Corrie! :rolleyes:
Although if they draw on Wednesday they can get knocked out without having lost.”
which isn't going to happen
20 years from Now Corrie and EastEnders will still be about and Emmerdale i expect
Corrie will be axed the day ITV goes off air. Its that simple. Corrie has always had an older audience because people grow into Corrie rather than growing out of it with most shows. The average age of your average Corrie viewer isn't 110.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“If that was too happen (which it won't) the BBC would just stick with EastEnders i think because they seem loyal too it and Corrie might get higher ratings on main showing(not all the time and not by much) but EastEnders gets more viewers overall and im not quite sure Corrie gets anywhere near as much reach week on week as EastEnders(which is down to the younger viewers)”
“If that was too happen (which it won't) the BBC would just stick with EastEnders i think because they seem loyal too it and Corrie might get higher ratings on main showing(not all the time and not by much) but EastEnders gets more viewers overall and im not quite sure Corrie gets anywhere near as much reach week on week as EastEnders(which is down to the younger viewers)”
that is the funny thing isnt it, if you have two soaps, one which could survive on commercail TV, due to favourable demographics, and one which cant due to it having an older demographic, from an outsiders POV which would you think the BBC should be funding?
In reality it will never be as simple as a straight swap, ITV will try and make Corrie a bit younger, which will fail, and put off the older viewers, so when ITV axe it, it wont be due to have high ratings in an older demographic, it will be due to low ratings.
Originally Posted by Desert Rat:
“Corrie will be axed the day ITV goes off air. Its that simple. Corrie has always had an older audience because people grow into Corrie rather than growing out of it with most shows. The average age of your average Corrie viewer isn't 110.”
“Corrie will be axed the day ITV goes off air. Its that simple. Corrie has always had an older audience because people grow into Corrie rather than growing out of it with most shows. The average age of your average Corrie viewer isn't 110.”
can we say that modern viewers are turning to Corrie as they get older?
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“can we say that modern viewers are turning to Corrie as they get older?”
“can we say that modern viewers are turning to Corrie as they get older?”
You can't really say either way, I'm just going off what has happened in the past
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“can we say that modern viewers are turning to Corrie as they get older?”
“can we say that modern viewers are turning to Corrie as they get older?”
Iguess they are but i know of alot of people that have turned off because it's not the corrie they used to know and love.
If The BBC was ever to take on Corrie(which obviously it's not) i still think EastEnders would be their main priority
and imo its better to have a programe that can pull in a mix aged viewers(alot of younger ones) then a show that pulls in alot of older people
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Iguess they are but i know of alot of people that have turned off because it's not the corrie they used to know and love.
If The BBC was ever to take on Corrie(which obviously it's not) i still think EastEnders would be their main priority
and imo its better to have a programe that can pull in a mix aged viewers(alot of younger ones) then a show that pulls in alot of older people”
“Iguess they are but i know of alot of people that have turned off because it's not the corrie they used to know and love.
If The BBC was ever to take on Corrie(which obviously it's not) i still think EastEnders would be their main priority
and imo its better to have a programe that can pull in a mix aged viewers(alot of younger ones) then a show that pulls in alot of older people”
I dont think the BBC would be able to justify both Corrie & Eastenders, and if this became a debate about the BBC having nicer toys than ITV, and ITV needing the toys more than the BBC (as it needs to earn money, and the BBC does not) then I could see the suggestion being made.
Heck if you set it up right, the BBC can make a profit on BBC WW sale of EE episodes to ITV, and use that money to help fund Corrie.
The only way its feesable is if ITV axe it with high ratings, saying that the demographics are not favourable towards commercail TV. Meanwhile in a chat with someone like the MediaGuardian, the person im charge of ITV, would say something like "ironically, the demographics of EE are far better suited to commercail TV, than the demos Corrie has"
An average of about 10 million people have gone awol from the two main soaps in the last 15 years or so (very roughly). so their influence has lessened, though thats been offset a touch by the fact that there are far more episodes now. Still, more than anytime before the soaps are open to attack from event tv. I thought this was emphasised by the effect SCD had on C/S with the two Friday episodes.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“An average of about 10 million people have gone awol from the two main soaps in the last 15 years or so (very roughly). so their influence has lessened, though thats been offset a touch by the fact that there are far more episodes now. Still, more than anytime before the soaps are open to attack from event tv. I thought this was emphasised by the effect SCD had on C/S with the two Friday episodes.”
“An average of about 10 million people have gone awol from the two main soaps in the last 15 years or so (very roughly). so their influence has lessened, though thats been offset a touch by the fact that there are far more episodes now. Still, more than anytime before the soaps are open to attack from event tv. I thought this was emphasised by the effect SCD had on C/S with the two Friday episodes.”
Soaps still have prominence in the ratings but these days TV companies rely on them far too much to boost other shows and as a result episode numbers have doubled or in some cases trebled. No doubt that has lead to viewers stopping watching because of declining quality and being harder to follow.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“An average of about 10 million people have gone awol from the two main soaps in the last 15 years or so (very roughly). so their influence has lessened, though thats been offset a touch by the fact that there are far more episodes now. Still, more than anytime before the soaps are open to attack from event tv. I thought this was emphasised by the effect SCD had on C/S with the two Friday episodes.”
“An average of about 10 million people have gone awol from the two main soaps in the last 15 years or so (very roughly). so their influence has lessened, though thats been offset a touch by the fact that there are far more episodes now. Still, more than anytime before the soaps are open to attack from event tv. I thought this was emphasised by the effect SCD had on C/S with the two Friday episodes.”
Not really it's just there are many more ways of catching up
Recording ect and EastEnders as a brilliant example
which not only has it's iplayer viewing but gets quite a good figure for it's 10:00pm BBC3 reapt and a brilliant rating for the sunday omnibus
so if you look at winter 10million viewers+ 500,000-1m+ for the 10:00pm reapt and 1.5m-2m+ for the omnibus
and not taking into account recordings and iplayer viewings
I think it's just easier to catch up now thats all
yes the episode number is a fair point, where would ITV be if it only had 3 episodes of Corrie & 3 of Emmerdale, the BBC is better place to take the 1 episode loss however.
Recent BBC 3 repeats show that people will still watch EE, even if the BBC 1 showing clashes with something.
I myself forgot what time an episode was moved to, and watch it on BBC 3.
Recent BBC 3 repeats show that people will still watch EE, even if the BBC 1 showing clashes with something.
I myself forgot what time an episode was moved to, and watch it on BBC 3.
Originally Posted by Desert Rat:
“Soaps still have prominence in the ratings but these days TV companies rely on them far too much to boost other shows and as a result episode numbers have doubled or in some cases trebled. No doubt that has lead to viewers stopping watching because of declining quality and being harder to follow.”
“Soaps still have prominence in the ratings but these days TV companies rely on them far too much to boost other shows and as a result episode numbers have doubled or in some cases trebled. No doubt that has lead to viewers stopping watching because of declining quality and being harder to follow.”
Can we just change that to ITV?
The BBC never move EastEnders out of it's slot to try and boost other shows infact Enders very rarely gets extra episodes(apart from xmas) and when it does have a 5 day week or an hour-long episode it just makes up for a missed one
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“yes the episode number is a fair point, where would ITV be if it only had 3 episodes of Corrie & 3 of Emmerdale, the BBC is better place to take the 1 episode loss however.
Recent BBC 3 repeats show that people will still watch EE, even if the BBC 1 showing clashes with something.
I myself forgot what time an episode was moved to, and watch it on BBC 3.”
“yes the episode number is a fair point, where would ITV be if it only had 3 episodes of Corrie & 3 of Emmerdale, the BBC is better place to take the 1 episode loss however.
Recent BBC 3 repeats show that people will still watch EE, even if the BBC 1 showing clashes with something.
I myself forgot what time an episode was moved to, and watch it on BBC 3.”
Yeah whether it be a clash with Emmerdale,BGT or an England match EastEnders on BBC3 then pulls in a brilliant rating which is going to show people stop to watch it.
Even when the BBC3 reapt has aired at later times of 11:30pm and mid night it's still managed a high rating.
Can't remember what it was and when but a monday episode going back was due for 11:00pm but was running late and aired something like 11:30/11:40pm and still managed a good rating.
All the soaps (Corrie,Hollyoaks,Neighbours,Home and away and Doctors )are all 5 episodes a week with Emmerdale 6 and EastEnders the least with 4 but that seems to work for them i think
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Can we just change that to ITV?
The BBC never move EastEnders out of it's slot to try and boost other shows infact Enders very rarely gets extra episodes(apart from xmas) and when it does have a 5 day week or an hour-long episode it just makes up for a missed one”
“Can we just change that to ITV?
The BBC never move EastEnders out of it's slot to try and boost other shows infact Enders very rarely gets extra episodes(apart from xmas) and when it does have a 5 day week or an hour-long episode it just makes up for a missed one”
Eastenders is used to prop up BBC3
Originally Posted by Desert Rat:
“Eastenders is used to prop up BBC3”
“Eastenders is used to prop up BBC3”
BBC3 props up EastEnders total reach.
Originally Posted by Desert Rat:
“Eastenders is used to prop up BBC3”
“Eastenders is used to prop up BBC3”
It doesn't really prop up ther shows on BBC3 though.
Anyway that wasn't the point being made as you stated that 'soaps' are used to help out other shows but thats hardly the same as looking at first showings thats pulling in 7-10m+ more.
ITV seem to move corrie around now and then just to help out other shows(provide a good lead-in) whether that be BGT,A drama or something else.
EastEnders tends to stick to it's Mon&FRi 8:00pm and Tue and Thur 7:30pm slots
Originally Posted by Cent:
“BBC3 props up EastEnders total reach.”
“BBC3 props up EastEnders total reach.”
The two work very well together, ITV have definitely missed a trick by not having a regular late slot for Corrie/Emmerdale/both.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“It doesn't really prop up ther shows on BBC3 though.
Anyway that wasn't the point being made as you stated that 'soaps' are used to help out other shows but thats hardly the same as looking at first showings thats pulling in 7-10m+ more.
ITV seem to move corrie around now and then just to help out other shows(provide a good lead-in) whether that be BGT,A drama or something else.
EastEnders tends to stick to it's Mon&FRi 8:00pm and Tue and Thur 7:30pm slots”
“It doesn't really prop up ther shows on BBC3 though.
Anyway that wasn't the point being made as you stated that 'soaps' are used to help out other shows but thats hardly the same as looking at first showings thats pulling in 7-10m+ more.
ITV seem to move corrie around now and then just to help out other shows(provide a good lead-in) whether that be BGT,A drama or something else.
EastEnders tends to stick to it's Mon&FRi 8:00pm and Tue and Thur 7:30pm slots”
But Eastenders still gets anything between 1-1.5m for BBC3, and BBC3 only air new big commissions at 10.30pm Monday-Friday (exc. Weds). I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, but soaps are used in some form across the board to boost programming.
ITV don't really move Corrie around that much, but it has been a bit erratic of late, not helped by BGT, the Cumbrian shootings and the World Cup.
Amazed ITV only have two episodes of Corrie next week (Sun and Thu), both 30 minutes. That must be the least Corrie in a week in years, and amazed they didn't opt for an hour on the Thursday and a slot on the Tuesday. Good on them though for not putting soap above everything else (unlike the Beeb who squeeze EE and Holby in anywhere!), even if it's only protecting their lowest rated night of the week!
Kind of been paying too much attention to the match figures to really notice properly, but on paper at least ITV do seem to have the better complementary schedule when they're not showing the evening matches. Apart from Taggart it's pretty much business as usual, even though the half-hour break for things like Tonight are clearly costing them viewers.
Kind of been paying too much attention to the match figures to really notice properly, but on paper at least ITV do seem to have the better complementary schedule when they're not showing the evening matches. Apart from Taggart it's pretty much business as usual, even though the half-hour break for things like Tonight are clearly costing them viewers.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Kind of been paying too much attention to the match figures to really notice properly, but on paper at least ITV do seem to have the better complementary schedule when they're not showing the evening matches. Apart from Taggart it's pretty much business as usual, even though the half-hour break for things like Tonight are clearly costing them viewers.”
“Kind of been paying too much attention to the match figures to really notice properly, but on paper at least ITV do seem to have the better complementary schedule when they're not showing the evening matches. Apart from Taggart it's pretty much business as usual, even though the half-hour break for things like Tonight are clearly costing them viewers.”
Ideally 'Tonight' should go on after the news, but its just not that simple. Being up against EE doesn't help it. Along with Countrywise and Dickinsons Real Deal, ITV don't have any commitment to it, its just a sacrifice for EE.
ITV could do a lot worse than putting Tonight in the 9pm slot when a big story breaks e.g. the recent one about the shootings could have got about 4m and as a result NaT would see a boost (similar audiences).
Tonight is probably the highest rating current affairs show on TV, opposite EastEnders or not, so it doesn't do that bad, despite what the TV snobs may think.
All this demographics stuff about the soaps is just nonsense and all based around how advertisers think people fit into nice pots where everyone is the same.
Hollyoaks has a young audience, which is good on paper, but if half of them are students, they won't have much money to spend.
Coronation Street may have lots of people in their 50s watching which is apparantly bad, but people this age will possibly have paid off their mortage, kids flown the nest and hence more money to spend.
EE may have younger viewers, but based on the quality of some discussions in the soaps forum, their income consists of the wage from a paper round, which isn't good for advertisers either.
There should be a seperate soap demographics thread!
All this demographics stuff about the soaps is just nonsense and all based around how advertisers think people fit into nice pots where everyone is the same.
Hollyoaks has a young audience, which is good on paper, but if half of them are students, they won't have much money to spend.
Coronation Street may have lots of people in their 50s watching which is apparantly bad, but people this age will possibly have paid off their mortage, kids flown the nest and hence more money to spend.
EE may have younger viewers, but based on the quality of some discussions in the soaps forum, their income consists of the wage from a paper round, which isn't good for advertisers either.
There should be a seperate soap demographics thread!
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