Brekkie, DMN. I apologise I forgot about about Torchwood and Criminal Justice so I take that last post back. However I dont think it needed to be called pathetic. My posts have now been called idiotic and pathetic by you, I eagerly await the third insult.


However, if you look at the figures during the hour of MSO they fell dramatically by the end of the episode nowhere near 6m. Once you add on the drop of a lot of second episodes for new series Five Days wouldnt have done that much damage, although it would have done a bit.

Well the breakdown went from 6.99m (27.8%) to 5.66m (23.9%), but that normally happens with ITV dramas due to News at Ten.

It probably would have dropped to about 5m, but I think it would have stabilised had Five Days not wiped its audience from week 2.

Its amazing what a bit of Cowell does to this thread, let alone TV ratings...

Just a few points to note from the pages and pages of threads:

EastEnders - £500k per episode? - Luther will cost only £150k more than this for an hour long episode. So if that is true it disproves Economies of Scale in broadcasting...

Regarding Married Single Other, sure Five Days hit it but it was the second episode which usually tend to dip (see Luther's third episode) but we cannot say for sure. But given its content (non-crime) I'd have expected 4 - 4.5m for the second episode...

A stripped BBC One series every month eh? - in the past 12 months we've had Five Daughters (3 nights), Masterchef (3 nights), Five Days, Torchwood, Criminal Justice, Occupation (3 nights). So I make that 6 (or 3 if we're talking 5 nights). On ITV, we have had 3 weeks of I'm A Celeb, 1 week of Britain's Got Talent & Collision plus Above Suspicion (3 nights). So thats 5 (or 4 weeks if we're talking 5 nights). Pretty even I'd say...

And lets not forget, ITV wins daytime!

ITV2 have announced a new soap opera, 'Project Essex', which will be a soap opera/observational documentary/reality show crossover.

It is made by Lime Pictures, commissioned for an initial 10-part-run.

It will air later in 2010

No tackier than usual. Considering it's the 'British Soap Awards' I hope you weren't tuning in expecting the height of class...

On eastenders based on 206 episodes ( someone posted on here earlier) at £500,000 per episode = £103,000,000m So not quite that much.

I've heard it costs about £25m a year - so based on 206 episodes = £121,360 per episode.

Obvioulsy some episodes cost more than others! I think £500,000 is based on newspapers exagarations when the Live episode was said to be costing £1m - twice as much as a normal episode, therefore £500,000!

Sounds very much like Big Brother. Maybe ITV2 consider it's cheaper than buying the brand off Endemol?

Last night was as expected ratings wise. Luther is dipping badly, though.

The scheduling is really interesting for Britain's Got Talent week. Don't get why ITV are putting in a double Coronation Street on Monday for - as someone else said a 9pm across the board approach would've worked and not shoved Emmerdale out.

Strange from BBC1 - EastEnders is going to be hurt on Monday though the hour long should hold up the channel better than anything else. Tuesday's battle will be interesting with BBC1's usual schedule predictably holding up well; until 9pm at least. I guess Wednesday will be a walk over - it may have been worth BBC1 moving the extra half hour of EastEnders there to try and bulk up the night. BBC1 will struggle in the 8pm hour on Thursday but EastEnders and the 9pm hour should do ok if not spectacularly. Friday - the New Tricks repeat is back!!! I was starting to wonder if they'd forgotten it. Should do well enough as filler, but I think 7.30 and 8.30 will limp along somewhat.

I cannot see BGT maintaining its c.10 million audience all week more llike 8.5-9.0 - still winning the night but hardly essential viewing for all. There just aren't enough quality acts to hold the attention ( A&D and judges are as predictable as ever.)

I would like to see Eastenders hold on to 6-7 million viewers per episode and I am confident it will do. The BBC3 repeats at 10pm - right after BGT results should be year highs also (excluding the live episode repeat.)

They used up all the episodes from last year in the recent repeat run so they'll have to dig into the archive for this one. Pity they couldn't have shown the pilot again as I haven't seen that episode and it's 90 minutes long so it would have fitted in neatly at 8.30 after Eastenders.

Project Essex sounds like some sort of "The Hills" type program, just set in Essex.

EastEnders can't cost that much surely!

I've been coming on here to escape exams and then someone brings up Economies of Scale! At least I might remember what it is now.

I'm not sure how it sounds like Big Brother...

Sounds like Hollyoaks: The Reality Show

I don't know how significent this is to its ratings but there were 11 pages of comments on the Junior Apprentice thread during the hour that the programme was on air.

Blimey! That could give the ratings thread a run for its money.

Project Essex sounds more like something MTV would commission. ITV2 is going down that road a bit actually, MTV but with a bigger budget.

Since they let Supernatural go, by all accounts a successful import, I'm beginning to think the channel has lost the plot.

E4 will overtake ITV2 soon enough if they keep commissioning pap like this.

At least there are some new dramas which are promising for next season. V was only renewed to avoid a complete "strike-out" according to TVbytheNumbers, I think. TBH, ALL new dramas on ABC did bad this season. At least some of the new comedy shows did better, especially Modern Family. The penultimate episode for Lost did well and it's really hard to predict the final episode ratings on Sunday. Glee performed well. Next season, they face NCIS for the autumn.

Monday finals - Link: http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums?a=t...9592#512109592

DWTS semi-finals - 19.044m (4.1) (12.1 Household Ratings)
Romantically Challenged - 7.706m (1.9) (5.2 HH)
Castle - 10.074m (2.4) (6.5 HH)
Two and a Half Men - 13.279m (4.4) (8.1 HH)
The Big Bang Theory - 15.020m (5.5) (8.9 HH)
House - 11.064m (4.3) (6.5 HH)

Yes, that's where I think I had the figure in my head from, but it can't be right when you look at it logically. The point stands though whether it's £100k or £500k - they don't need to commission episodes for nights or periods when they know the show will not air.

Indeed though I'm not saying everything should be a repeat, this is the period where it's perfectly acceptable for those New Tricks repeats to make an appearance.


Sounds more like a spin-off to the series Lime Pictures did in Alderly Edge for I think MTV.

E4 deserves to be ahead of ITV2. I think ITV2's position is safe though but that is mainly down to the spin-offs and repeats from the popular ITV1 shows. Admittidley it has had success with Celebrity Juice, Call Girl, Katie Price shows and a few other original commisions. E4 has a done a lot better on a lower budget by picking very good American imports, Glee, Big Bang Theory, Cleveland Show, aswell as the very popular youth shows such as Skins and The Inbetweeners.

I think Project Essex will work for ITV2 especially if they play it in the Thursday @ 9pm slot.

So post BGT, if ITV don't play The Bill on Tuesday 8th June at 9pm, there is a good opportunity for them to strip a four part drama on Monday 7th, Tuesday 8th, Wednesday 9th and Thursday 10th June @ 9pm to get them to the World Cup...

i think EastEnders will be 4/5million on the Monday and Friday but doing better tuesday and Thursday.

6/7m would be good though

I doubt very much they have any drama suitable for those slots apart from a Midsommer or Taggart etc.

The soap awards were never a classy affair but they were absolutely awful this year. Way more than usual.

Just for reference, a look at who has the primetime matches for the group stages (knock-out stages will be all the "Schedule A" or "Schedule B" nonsense):

Week 1:
BBC: Fri 11 June, Mon, Wed, Thu
ITV: Sat 12 June (England), Sun, Tue, Fri 19 (England)

Week 2:
BBC: Sun 20 June, Tue, Thu
ITV: Sat 19 June, Mon, Wed, Fri

Knock-out games are then Sat-Tue, Fri/Sat, Tue/Wed with the 3rd place game on Sat 10 and final on Sun 11.


Assuming a regular schedule on the nights they would air usually during the group stage Emmerdale loses an hour in week one and 90 minutes in week two, whilst Corrie loses an hour in week one and two hours in week two.

ITV's Thursday schedule will be completely uninterrupted throughout, so I suspect they might have an hour of Emmerdale at 7pm then an hour of Corrie at 8pm, ditching Tonight. Similar scheduling on other weeknights they don't have matches would ensure Corrie keeps up to date, though Emmerdale would need to find another hour from somewhere (Sun 20th?)


After the first night EastEnders loses an hour a week during the group stages - but probably easily make that up with hour-long editions when it does air. Will the BBC schedule EastEnders against ITV's England game on the Friday though?


It's the knock-out stage where it gets really messy with all the "either/or" schedules, and soap wise on the free days I wonder whether they'll try and avoid clashes completely or if Emmerdale/Corrie will end up clashing with EastEnders in a desperate attempt to make up the displaced episodes. On match days too I can't see ITV putting Emmerdale or Corrie up against potential England games - we might end up with a "schedule C" dependent or not on whether England feature on the other side!


World Cup TV Fixtures: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-TV-guide.html

They've got the opportunity surely? What's on at 8.30pm that needs airing?


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quote reminded me of it. That's basically what Big Brother is now.


I wouldn't have thought that clashes will be required - the group stage is simple enough, though the knockout stages could be problematic. ITV1 just need to use the slots where BBC1 is airing football and vice versa, it shouldn't be that difficult I would've thought.

Not sure if this has been mentioned but Doctor Who has, after 9 weeks, finally made it back to a 7pm start. The episode on the 29th May is confirmed as running 7:00-7:50pm, with Eurovision at 8pm.