It's not just going to go up magically with the flick of a finger.

Any wild guesses for BBC1 tomorrow afternoon?

Oh course i am, hence the

To be fair Ricky Hatton and Kelly Homes aren't to bad, Kelly Osboune - a bit annoying but not too bad .
But Joe " i have to be on everything" Swash has to ruin it!

As Score said at least it's only 2 shows - it's when it starts getting 3 or 4 that it'll be bad for the show. And then it turns into a whole Celeb series aka Millionaire!

Plus as otehrs have said i think Celeb special's are ok over Christmas.

The damage was done last year and just like BB9 a couple of years back however good the current series maybe, it's very difficult to reverse the damage done the year before.

I think we'll see it settle now around the 2.5m mark, probably hitting 3m on eviction nights. I would hope for the final couple of weeks it'll get a solid 3m most nights, but although I think the (UIltimate Champion) final will rate better than any final has for a few years, I can't see it really getting much beyond 6m.

BB11 will probably rate about 2.6m going up officially to about 2.9m. The final will get anything between 3.5m and 4.5m (bearing in mind its on a Tuesday) and then the All Stars bit will see CBB-type ratings, with BB going out with about 4-5m on 10th Sept.

I did expect a bit more after CBB but this series is terribly boring so far and even as an avid viewer I'm finding it a bit of a struggle. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. BB isn't going to get picked up unless Endemol buy Five, in which case it will probably be picked up regardless of the ratings.

Yeah i guess right now the CBB seems to be the more buyable by other channels considering it averaged 3.7m officially, but there is a big difference to airing shows at January copared to June, July, August ect...
Im hoping tonight can get around 2.7m again, with the possibility of fridays eviction, it should hit 3m if you think about it, as Rachael's eviction got 2,9m (taking into account the early finish) and the long show as well as the competition would have brought it down.

With less competition IMO on friday, we should see the eviction hit 3m,

I think its been one of the best, a lot happening in the first week already, and I have watched since BB2.

CBB isn't viable without BB. If BB doesn't rate when, no matter how good CBB does then noone will give it a second thought.

Is the final definitely on a Tuesday this year? I assumed it would be on a Friday, as usual. How's the All Stars going to work - will the previous housemates be going into the house on the same night as the BB11 final or another night?

The final is apparently on 24th August and ex housemates will go in at the end before the BB11 winner comes out. That gives them 18 days for the All Stars series, but it would make far more sense to have the BB11 final on Sunday 22nd and launch All Stars as a standalone series on Monday 23rd.

I presume they'll replicate the CBB3 eviction pattern which was also 18 days long.

But Im sure I heard rumours that channels were interested only in CBB and not BB.

ratings wise im not 100% convinced its an issue, but there is also the issue of the house, can you really keep the house, just for CBB?

Renting another house is another option however.

But in reality it will turn out like Five's 'The Farm', which whilst it wasn't a bad series, its not like Big Brother.

In short, they'll have to rent a house instead of a purpose built one which rains on any creativity.

I didnt like The Farm really. I hope if Five buys BB/CBB it doesn't turn out like that.

From ITV Press Centre... some actual confirmed scheduling news: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ident...7/default.html

Identity
Monday, 5 July 2010, 9:00PM - 10:00PM

And: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/gazza...7/default.html

Gazza's Tears - The Night That Changed Football
Sunday, 4 July 2010, 7:00PM - 8:00PM

6 episodes for Identity gives it an ending date of Monday, 9 August.

Good slot, good cast, crime drama. There's not many that have flopped recently so 5m+ should be achievable and good to see ITV starting their new schedule as soon as they can. It's starting to take place with drama on Monday, The Bill Tuesday and factual (starting with Homes From Hell) on Thursday.

I agree, Identity would have to be pretty crap to bomb in that slot, unless it gets tough competition. The Gazza thing will probably flop but it's only a throwaway one off. Homes From Hell averaged 3.7m in the dreaded Tuesday 8pm slot last year so it should do fine in the slot it's in this time. I guess that once the World Cup is over Midosmer (new and repeats) will take over on Wednesdays and Marple or Poirot will get Sundays. Fridays will probably just be repeats (Benidorm, possibly?) and Thursdays will presumably have more factual, although it's still a mystery where 71 Degrees North will go.

Yeah, Gazza will be sub 3m and tbh wouldn't be surprised to see it sub 2m. It's the sort of thing which belongs on ITV4 or post NaT ITV1. Not primetime Sunday material

How many new episodes of Midsomer are in the can? Also are there any one off events penciled in for Wednesdays in July/Aug-award shows etc?

Marple/Poirot should get Sundays and unless there's any factual ready for the 7pm slot, I can see Heartbeat/The Royal appearing there, because come Autumn, Family Fortunes will take the Sunday 7pm slot.

71 Degrees North could still get the Friday 9pm slot I guess. I guess it could turn up on Saturdays aswell?

The only reason those are Sky exclusives is because the market for HD is such that it is not yet viable to offer them FTA. Five HD also ran into complications with their Freeview HD bid, but that will probably end up FTA eventually.


A channel which BSkyB owns, so they can freely do whatever they want with it. It was probably the most predictable announcement of 2010 so far, although there was always a 50/50 chance Sky News could have gone pay instead. Instead they are cutting costs on that one and reverting to a more basic news service.


It is completely unsubstantiated. Posing a scenario in a survey is one thing, it doesn't mean it is at all likely to happen. BSkyB probably feel confident that if they target C4 when they are most vulnerable, i.e. now when they are cash strapped, they will eventually get they want, but the simple fact remains that until we hear anything from Channel 4 which states they are reconsidering their digital strategy, it is nothing more than BSkyB fear mongering that you continue to spread on these forums like a doting employee.

For what it's worth, everything I have heard from Channel 4 over the years would suggest they are committed to free-to-air television, certainly much more so than ITV and Five. Some would say taking E4 free-to-air was one of the best things they ever did as the outdated pay model did not previously work for the channel. Now it's one of the most successful top performing channels in the country and is regularly winning industry awards.

With UK TV ad revenue on the rise again, it's even less likely they will switch now.

Yeah the Gazza thing should be at 10:35pm on a Wednesday not at 7pm on a Sunday. According to Wikipedia there are 7 more episodes of Midsomer due this year, but I doubt they'll all air this year. I guess they'll air 2 or 3 new ones then 2 or 3 repeats. There aren't any events pencilled in as far as I know of, apart from that football special event thing on the Saturday after the World Cup Final. Champions League play-offs run from the middle of August, though.

Dunno how much factual they've got to air, and I suspect they'll want Heartbeat and The Royal out of the way so one of those will probably pop up at 7pm before Marple/Poirot at 8pm with any factual on Tuesdays at 8pm. They'd be idiots to put 71 Degrees North on Fridays after the way the other entertainment shows put there have gone and it'd be against BB evictons. Saturdays would be OK I guess but Thursdays at 9pm are probably most likely once Homes From Hell is done (it's 4 episodes).

How novel - a new drama which airs weekly. Seems like ages since the last one.


And agree Sunday at 7pm isn't the best time for the Gazza documentary - surely they could have found a post-World Cup slot one night.

My prediction 6.5M to 7M this is due to some not being able to watch as they have to work.

It'll be twice as high as that. About 12m (70%) average for the entire programme, peaking with 16m (85%) - depending on how the match is going.

I'm on holiday anyway, but from what I hear many employers are being flexible tomorrow.

Kick off is at 3pm on a weekday afternoon and it's a crucial must win game for England, so there will be a lot of anxiety and publicity around the match.
My prediction would be 12.5m match average, 13.5m-14m peak.

For comparison, see past England World Cup ratings here.