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Old 22-07-2011, 13:31
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Uuhhh Just because your a sweet transvestite does not mean your gay? Why do people always make assumptions TYPICAL! Have you never watched Corrie?








only kidding LOL - I think he is.
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Old 22-07-2011, 13:35
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Uuhhh Just because your a sweet transvestite does not mean your gay? Why do people always make assumptions TYPICAL! Have you never watched Corrie?








only kidding LOL - I think he is.
haha, i had a face....till i got to the bottom of your comment
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Old 22-07-2011, 13:43
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Some people who are straight have slept with members of the same sex out of curiousity or were experimenting etc. etc. Does not mean they are bi or gay, just curious.

There are also a lot of teenagers who are "bi" because it's trendy -.-

We may never know the true number because us humans are a fussy lot
Sure, no doubt! And gay men and women themsleves still sleep with members of the opposite sex sometimes even after they've come out and declared themselves to be as gay or lesbian as can be declared but will still stand firmly by being gay and not bisexual or bicurious as some straight (and even gay folk) will want to immediately relabel them as. At the end of the day we sometimes just have sex with others for no real reason other than for the sake of sex (as it's actually really easy, esp if you're not hung up about body parts).

When I was at Uni plenty of the straight girl's on the sports teams experimented with each other and for some, it made them realize that they were at least bisexual (at minimum) and for others, that it purely was experimentation and just a stage of curiosity that they (for whatever reason, either attraction or pure elimination) wanted to dabble in. I had a good friend on the (guy's) footie team who told me that guys on the sports teams sometimes snogged each sometimes for laughs during sports team gatherings (just like the girls did) and never had any worries (like the girls) that people would assume they were gay as most (like the girls) weren't. It was just fun to them where ideas of boundaries didn't even figure. I actually still don't undertsand why people can happily accept that females can experiment and still be straight at the end of it but they can't accept that a man can stil be straight after experimentatuion. I've never understood why men are still seen rigidly as either gay or straight and there is still this notion that there are no bisexual, bicurious or sexuality un-identified men out there (like women). My friend did joke that it's because men can't multitask like women.

We seem to place so much emphaise on pysical sexual activity when it comes to what we identify as that sometimes we can forget that it is also the deeper emotional connection that counts too, though some more than others (and with that sometimes being the part that straight men and women can't do with the same gender alonside the sex activity part). This guy I met through a gay (guy) friend of mine said he could easily have sex with men (and he had anyhow) but that it was the emotional connection that was missing in all his male encounters. For some reason unbeknown to him he finds the emotional part only comes with women (despite trying to make it happen with men). And so while others have tried to label him as bisexual (due to kowing his sexual history) he doesn't feel it would be a true description to call himself gay or even bisexual because both the sexual and emotional aspects don't exist for him with men (whereas they both do with with women). I've met the odd girl (mainly post Uni) that were like this too. In particular this one girl who I worked with who said she had this unexplainable emotional connection to another girl (that basicaklly played out like an unofficial relationship) but, because the sexual part couldn't be invisaged on her part, she didn't allow for the relationshiop to progress into a solid (out there so to speak) one, of which she still has a great regret for despite being with a guy now. And despite being able to clearly connect emotionally to this girl, from this experience of not being able to marry the sex part in with achievable other, she felt she could qualify herself as anything other than straight (despite recognising that a part of her has the ability to not be so).

I think while labels are easy for some of us to apply, they aren't necesarily for others, and you are right that sexual exploration doesn't always definitly equal a non straight identified label. I think on here we are just having a bit of fun and, while argubly you could say it is not fair of any of us to impose our own thoughts of someones sexuality on them, it is not out of any harm that we are doing so. And most of us (I certainly) wouldn't care less if a male or female celeb thought to be gay or bi turned out not to be. It's all just a guessing game of which the accurate numbers prob won't ever be known truly either (as you also say).
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Old 22-07-2011, 14:52
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Scottish politician Margo MacDonald? Does anybody get vibes about her?
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Old 22-07-2011, 14:56
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Sure, no doubt! And gay men and women themsleves still sleep with members of the opposite sex sometimes even after they've come out and declared themselves to be as gay or lesbian as can be declared but will still stand firmly by being gay and not bisexual or bicurious as some straight (and even gay folk) will want to immediately relabel them as. At the end of the day we sometimes just have sex with others for no real reason other than for the sake of sex (as it's actually really easy, esp if you're not hung up about body parts).

When I was at Uni plenty of the straight girl's on the sports teams experimented with each other and for some, it made them realize that they were at least bisexual (at minimum) and for others, that it purely was experimentation and just a stage of curiosity that they (for whatever reason, either attraction or pure elimination) wanted to dabble in. I had a good friend on the (guy's) footie team who told me that guys on the sports teams sometimes snogged each sometimes for laughs during sports team gatherings (just like the girls did) and never had any worries (like the girls) that people would assume they were gay as most (like the girls) weren't. It was just fun to them where ideas of boundaries didn't even figure. I actually still don't undertsand why people can happily accept that females can experiment and still be straight at the end of it but they can't accept that a man can stil be straight after experimentatuion. I've never understood why men are still seen rigidly as either gay or straight and there is still this notion that there are no bisexual, bicurious or sexuality un-identified men out there (like women). My friend did joke that it's because men can't multitask like women.

We seem to place so much emphaise on pysical sexual activity when it comes to what we identify as that sometimes we can forget that it is also the deeper emotional connection that counts too, though some more than others (and with that sometimes being the part that straight men and women can't do with the same gender alonside the sex activity part). This guy I met through a gay (guy) friend of mine said he could easily have sex with men (and he had anyhow) but that it was the emotional connection that was missing in all his male encounters. For some reason unbeknown to him he finds the emotional part only comes with women (despite trying to make it happen with men). And so while others have tried to label him as bisexual (due to kowing his sexual history) he doesn't feel it would be a true description to call himself gay or even bisexual because both the sexual and emotional aspects don't exist for him with men (whereas they both do with with women). I've met the odd girl (mainly post Uni) that were like this too. In particular this one girl who I worked with who said she had this unexplainable emotional connection to another girl (that basicaklly played out like an unofficial relationship) but, because the sexual part couldn't be invisaged on her part, she didn't allow for the relationshiop to progress into a solid (out there so to speak) one, of which she still has a great regret for despite being with a guy now. And despite being able to clearly connect emotionally to this girl, from this experience of not being able to marry the sex part in with achievable other, she felt she could qualify herself as anything other than straight (despite recognising that a part of her has the ability to not be so).

I think while labels are easy for some of us to apply, they aren't necesarily for others, and you are right that sexual exploration doesn't always definitly equal a non straight identified label. I think on here we are just having a bit of fun and, while argubly you could say it is not fair of any of us to impose our own thoughts of someones sexuality on them, it is not out of any harm that we are doing so. And most of us (I certainly) wouldn't care less if a male or female celeb thought to be gay or bi turned out not to be. It's all just a guessing game of which the accurate numbers prob won't ever be known truly either (as you also say).
It's like the whole kinsey scale thing, isn't it. Nice post
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Old 22-07-2011, 14:57
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Scottish politician Margo MacDonald? Does anybody get vibes about her?
She's married to Jim Sillars!

I like those two as politicos.
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Old 22-07-2011, 15:37
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She's married to Jim Sillars!


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And her daughter is married to one of the Proclaimers!
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Old 22-07-2011, 15:46
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Sure, no doubt! And gay men and women themsleves still sleep with members of the opposite sex sometimes even after they've come out and declared themselves to be as gay or lesbian as can be declared but will still stand firmly by being gay and not bisexual or bicurious as some straight (and even gay folk) will want to immediately relabel them as. At the end of the day we sometimes just have sex with others for no real reason other than for the sake of sex (as it's actually really easy, esp if you're not hung up about body parts).

When I was at Uni plenty of the straight girl's on the sports teams experimented with each other and for some, it made them realize that they were at least bisexual (at minimum) and for others, that it purely was experimentation and just a stage of curiosity that they (for whatever reason, either attraction or pure elimination) wanted to dabble in. I had a good friend on the (guy's) footie team who told me that guys on the sports teams sometimes snogged each sometimes for laughs during sports team gatherings (just like the girls did) and never had any worries (like the girls) that people would assume they were gay as most (like the girls) weren't. It was just fun to them where ideas of boundaries didn't even figure. I actually still don't undertsand why people can happily accept that females can experiment and still be straight at the end of it but they can't accept that a man can stil be straight after experimentatuion. I've never understood why men are still seen rigidly as either gay or straight and there is still this notion that there are no bisexual, bicurious or sexuality un-identified men out there (like women). My friend did joke that it's because men can't multitask like women.

We seem to place so much emphaise on pysical sexual activity when it comes to what we identify as that sometimes we can forget that it is also the deeper emotional connection that counts too, though some more than others (and with that sometimes being the part that straight men and women can't do with the same gender alonside the sex activity part). This guy I met through a gay (guy) friend of mine said he could easily have sex with men (and he had anyhow) but that it was the emotional connection that was missing in all his male encounters. For some reason unbeknown to him he finds the emotional part only comes with women (despite trying to make it happen with men). And so while others have tried to label him as bisexual (due to kowing his sexual history) he doesn't feel it would be a true description to call himself gay or even bisexual because both the sexual and emotional aspects don't exist for him with men (whereas they both do with with women). I've met the odd girl (mainly post Uni) that were like this too. In particular this one girl who I worked with who said she had this unexplainable emotional connection to another girl (that basicaklly played out like an unofficial relationship) but, because the sexual part couldn't be invisaged on her part, she didn't allow for the relationshiop to progress into a solid (out there so to speak) one, of which she still has a great regret for despite being with a guy now. And despite being able to clearly connect emotionally to this girl, from this experience of not being able to marry the sex part in with achievable other, she felt she could qualify herself as anything other than straight (despite recognising that a part of her has the ability to not be so).

I think while labels are easy for some of us to apply, they aren't necesarily for others, and you are right that sexual exploration doesn't always definitly equal a non straight identified label. I think on here we are just having a bit of fun and, while argubly you could say it is not fair of any of us to impose our own thoughts of someones sexuality on them, it is not out of any harm that we are doing so. And most of us (I certainly) wouldn't care less if a male or female celeb thought to be gay or bi turned out not to be. It's all just a guessing game of which the accurate numbers prob won't ever be known truly either (as you also say).
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Old 22-07-2011, 15:47
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Sure, no doubt! And gay men and women themsleves still sleep with members of the opposite sex sometimes even after they've come out and declared themselves to be as gay or lesbian as can be declared but will still stand firmly by being gay and not bisexual or bicurious as some straight (and even gay folk) will want to immediately relabel them as. At the end of the day we sometimes just have sex with others for no real reason other than for the sake of sex (as it's actually really easy, esp if you're not hung up about body parts).

When I was at Uni plenty of the straight girl's on the sports teams experimented with each other and for some, it made them realize that they were at least bisexual (at minimum) and for others, that it purely was experimentation and just a stage of curiosity that they (for whatever reason, either attraction or pure elimination) wanted to dabble in. I had a good friend on the (guy's) footie team who told me that guys on the sports teams sometimes snogged each sometimes for laughs during sports team gatherings (just like the girls did) and never had any worries (like the girls) that people would assume they were gay as most (like the girls) weren't. It was just fun to them where ideas of boundaries didn't even figure. I actually still don't undertsand why people can happily accept that females can experiment and still be straight at the end of it but they can't accept that a man can stil be straight after experimentatuion. I've never understood why men are still seen rigidly as either gay or straight and there is still this notion that there are no bisexual, bicurious or sexuality un-identified men out there (like women). My friend did joke that it's because men can't multitask like women.

We seem to place so much emphaise on pysical sexual activity when it comes to what we identify as that sometimes we can forget that it is also the deeper emotional connection that counts too, though some more than others (and with that sometimes being the part that straight men and women can't do with the same gender alonside the sex activity part). This guy I met through a gay (guy) friend of mine said he could easily have sex with men (and he had anyhow) but that it was the emotional connection that was missing in all his male encounters. For some reason unbeknown to him he finds the emotional part only comes with women (despite trying to make it happen with men). And so while others have tried to label him as bisexual (due to kowing his sexual history) he doesn't feel it would be a true description to call himself gay or even bisexual because both the sexual and emotional aspects don't exist for him with men (whereas they both do with with women). I've met the odd girl (mainly post Uni) that were like this too. In particular this one girl who I worked with who said she had this unexplainable emotional connection to another girl (that basicaklly played out like an unofficial relationship) but, because the sexual part couldn't be invisaged on her part, she didn't allow for the relationshiop to progress into a solid (out there so to speak) one, of which she still has a great regret for despite being with a guy now. And despite being able to clearly connect emotionally to this girl, from this experience of not being able to marry the sex part in with achievable other, she felt she could qualify herself as anything other than straight (despite recognising that a part of her has the ability to not be so).

I think while labels are easy for some of us to apply, they aren't necesarily for others, and you are right that sexual exploration doesn't always definitly equal a non straight identified label. I think on here we are just having a bit of fun and, while argubly you could say it is not fair of any of us to impose our own thoughts of someones sexuality on them, it is not out of any harm that we are doing so. And most of us (I certainly) wouldn't care less if a male or female celeb thought to be gay or bi turned out not to be. It's all just a guessing game of which the accurate numbers prob won't ever be known truly either (as you also say).

Wow it's like you read my mind, I totally agree with everything you said Specially the BIB
Great post!
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Old 22-07-2011, 15:58
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And her daughter is married to one of the Proclaimers!
Yes but the Reid lads look a bit a gay
So maybe she's a beard You know it works on here
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Old 22-07-2011, 21:59
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What about Mathew Horne
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:24
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Matthew Horne and Paddy McGuiness. It's like they've both just discovered the art of acting straight. .
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Old 23-07-2011, 12:18
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Didn't the Proclaimers cause a stir a few years back by making homophobic remarks based on their christian beliefs?
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Old 23-07-2011, 12:18
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Has anyone seen the new advert with Tom Daley in it? I'm not sure what he was advertising, but I've never been more convinced that he's gay.
He is delightfully camp but that's all I can discern. Delightfully camp boys can, in fact, be straight. He's very young and I love his whole enthusiasm and 'nice' vibe. He's quite old-fashioned up to a lot of teens you see rampaging around and swearing/shouting (sorry teens!).

Don't change Tom, don't change!
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Old 23-07-2011, 12:30
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Again, Chavyl Cole is too good looking to be gay.
After reading several of your posts all saying the same thing and getting somewhat aggressive with others all I can say is: What a highly presumptive and cossetted way to look at life, and one which you will get egg on your face with for sure at some point, but each to their own.

Personally I do not assume that every 'attractive' person I walk past in the street is straight, nor would they announce it to me or anyone else if they were gay. I have no doubt I have walked past hundreds, maybe thousands of attractive gay women over my lifetime and never known it, because they are not going to tell me, a total stranger.

They would have even less reason to tell me if they were a celebrity with endorsement deals, a career and a bunch of managers/PR people advising them to stay in the closet and henceforth get that film contract or TV deal.

Sometime, thinking laterally pays in this game. Its not always about perceiving things via your personal prejudice or experiences in civvy street. Entertainment is highly closeted and highly paid. Money and career talk over all else or you wouldn't fight to make a name for yourself based on your talents. Many people sacrifice the private for the public. Then maybe regret it years later.

Your view is your view and that's fine. But I don't think that view even begins to address what the reality of people's lives can be.
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Old 23-07-2011, 16:25
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Scottish politician Margo MacDonald? Does anybody get vibes about her?
Speaking of politicians, Conservative MP Chloe Smith is rumoured to be gay.

Simon Hughes (Lib Dem MP) is openly bi.
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Old 23-07-2011, 19:47
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Hugh Grant.
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Old 23-07-2011, 19:48
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Matthew Horne and Paddy McGuiness. It's like they've both just discovered the art of acting straight. .
Not getting the Paddy thing at all- he loves women!

Matthew Horne- yes!
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Old 23-07-2011, 20:01
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Speaking of politicians, Conservative MP Chloe Smith is rumoured to be gay.

Simon Hughes (Lib Dem MP) is openly bi.

Allegedly the Queeniest Biatch in the House of Commons.
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Old 23-07-2011, 20:04
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Not getting the Paddy thing at all- he loves women!

Matthew Horne- yes!
I agree

Not Paddy, he's like a dog on heat on that show he presents 'take me out'
Matthew possibly
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Old 23-07-2011, 21:43
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Simon Hughes (Lib Dem MP) is openly bi.
He wasn't open about when running for election. Vile man.
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Old 23-07-2011, 22:09
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He wasn't open about when running for election. Vile man.
Why is he vile just because he preferred to keep his sexuality a secret?
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Old 24-07-2011, 09:15
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Why is he vile just because he preferred to keep his sexuality a secret?
Because during that particular political campaign, his own closet was firmly bolted while his minions concentrated on outing Peter Tatchell.
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Old 24-07-2011, 13:21
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Not getting the Paddy thing at all- he loves women!

Matthew Horne- yes!
I don't know anything about him but this is a common trait of closeted male celebs. The perception of being a ladies man/womaniser etc. Almost like over compensating.
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I don't know anything about him but this is a common trait of closeted male celebs. The perception of being a ladies man/womaniser etc. Almost like over compensating.
Don't be so silly. He loves women because....get this.....he loves women.
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