Nonsense, Amy dealt with River Song in a reasonable way. And the Doctor wasn't black and blue.

They must have been well versed in all the languages of the world, or at least have a translation system, as proven when they delivered their ultimatum to the Earth through all communication devices.

Yeah, they certainly had a database of Earth culture and history, wouldn't be too surprising that they would have access to the language.

On the other hand, if they knew that the crack led to Earth at the point that Zero escaped, why did they have to follow the Doctor to get here? Why didn't they just come here immediately? And why would they broadcast the message in English, and not in Zero's native language, since it was an instruction to Zero and not a warning to the humans?


Fridge logic - gotta love it.

Well, now let's see. Put Amy into the same situation. Doctor has deeply felt residual emotional feelings for a previous assistant with whom he has an extended shared past and who has pined for him for years. She sees them laughing and joking together away on their own, sharing private in-jokes.

Or,

Strange woman turns up who the Doctor does not know and wants to escape from, has little to no chemistry with and and seems to resent. In addition to which they treat each other with bickering and an almost platonic aquaintance.

The Doctor and River Song clearly had chemistry

They did not treat each other as platonic aquaintances

Don't get all the Amy hate- I think she's great

OK, you're right WYH, at least River Song had a lot of chemistry

No hate here, just trying to make sense of it all.

I just find Amy rude rather than feisty.

Yes, Donna could be rude as well, BUT, and this is a big but, Donna wasn't rude all the time and she realised how hard decisions were for him at times.

I too often get the impression that Amy actually dislikes the Doctor and thinks she's a cut above him and it's getting tedious for me now. I find it incredible that a TIMELORD would continue to allow her to keep on putting him down, she even called him "pointless"!

And in some ways the Doc being described as such has some merit in this series as Amy seems to be perfectly able to save the day without his input.

It's just my personal preference, but I like the Doctor to be the star of the show, not his starey-eyed companion.

Wish he and Rory would ditch Amy on an inhospitable planet somewhere so she could moan and gripe to her little heart's delight and let them have fun somewhere a long way from her smug attitude. She ruins this series for me - many apologies to her fans, it's just my opinion afterall.

Fan fic that way ***>

Nice one

Seriously - I much prefer Rory as a character. He does have a go at the Doctor sometimes about putting people in danger for instance, but he balances his criticisms with a bit of respect for what the Doctor is doing.

It's odd, but I more or less instantly liked Rory without knowing anything about his back story. Amy is just becoming more dislikeable to me with each episode. There is just no charm or warmth about her IMHO. And that starey-eyed look is becoming really, really, annoying!

She would be narked at being left out, but she wouldn't have been jealous in the way Rose was. Amy just wouldn't let herself be that vulnerable. She was the one winding the Doctor up about River being his wife - would she be doing that if she was possessive?

Well, it was handled as a deliberate putdown (like the "heel, boy" part). That's pretty much a slight to diminish the Doc's relationship (of whatever sort) to River and fits into her attempt to retain superiority.

What makes you think Amy dislikes the Doctor? She doesn't treat him with awe, that's for sure, but dislike?

"Poor Amy. Always leaves you, doesn't he? Alone in the dark, never apologises..."
"He doesn't have to."

The first clue we even get of her seeing the Doctor as anything other than a hero is in that "pointless" exchange, the phrase she uses is actually "What is the point of you?", exactly the same words used by the Doctor towards the Dalek in Dalek.

The Doctor saves people, the Daleks destroy people. If they can't do those things, then what is the point of them?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0562988/quotes?qt0292888

Actually, she was portraying how River spent most of her time up to that point putting the Doctor down. Blue stabilisers, leaving the brakes on, "he's think he's so hot when he does that", demands to "sonic me" - those are all River's doing, not Amy. River's the one to undermine him (as all good wives should!)

Actually to be fair, that comment really made me like her more. If I had just lost the best friend and person I loved due to someone else (i.e. Rory and her wouldn't have been in this situation if it hadn't been for the doctor), I probably would have screamed blue murder at him and blamed him as well. I thought that was well handled, her remark at the end of VoV was far mor annoying (got my spaceship and my boys).
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Yeah, definitely annoying, but at least that one was deliberate - it had the same effect on the Doctor and Rory as it had on us!

You are reading in something that simply isnt there. Amy and River were instant pals. If anything they playfully collude against the Doctor.

That's because IMHO Amy and River are the same person. Amy Pond, later in life, dyes her hair, takes elecution lessons and changes her name to another one with a "watery" sound to it, i.e. River Song.

When River said that she "killed the best man she ever knew" it's because in the Series 5 finale she is going to kill Rory.

On the other hand, this speculation could be the biggest load of cobblers ever posted on this forum.

I think she meant that she wasn't happy that Amy would attempt to put down the Doctor, rather than Amy trying to put down River. I don't think it was a put-down at all.

But yes, Amy and River got on without any animosity at all.

The lack of warmth towards the Doctor from Amy actually makes you wonder why she deigns to hang about with him at all doesn't it?

Well, it would throw New Who continuity out of whack, since you're not supposed to make physical contact with earlier versions of yourself (see "Father's Day").

I've obviously been watching a different show

I have never got the sense that Amy dislikes the Doctor or thinks she's a cut above him- in fact the exact opposite could be said
she didn't call him pointless and she had already defended him to the Dreamlord,

People on here are just rewriting scenes at this point

Lack of warmth? As far as I can see, she loves hanging out with the Doc. Even the bits where she almost dies.

You can't seriously be telling me that 'the banter' is a purely Scottish trait? People take the mickey out of their best friends all the time.

It doesn't matter that she doesn't treat him with awe. Other companions would have a go at him if they think he was getting carried away with his own importance. What does irritate me is her total lack of empathy and/respect for him. She comes across as annoyingly arrogant

And I don't buy into a young human continually relegating the Doctor to 2nd place after her.

This is supposed to be DR Who, not the Amy Pond adventures with the Doctor as the companion's sidekick.

Her put downs need to be tempered by a bit more kindness towards him. Even a few more smiles would do to balance out the hard stares lol.

The resolution of TBB was entirely based on the fact that Amy saw the Doctor as very, very kind- and this point was really hammered home - including her giving him a huge hug

Amy clearly adores the Doctor- she made dolls of him, she waited for him to come back for years...