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JLS flop in America
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Shoed
20-05-2010
nah it was rumoured for alexandra to be appearing on oprah within the next months,
I bet you atleast 50quid he'll mention alexandra at least once, alexandra is performing much better then leona at the moment, people unfortunately fell in love with bleeding love rather then leona, alexandra's career seems more stable, she hasn't just had one hit which effects her entire career, it'll be easier for her to step up unlike leona.

(and sorry about comparing alex to leona, there completely different artists but there on the same record label so its like easy to do it sometimes)
zwixxx
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by Biko:
“I dunno about Alex Burke, could be the same thing that happened with Leona Americawise, people will get bored if she carries on churning out the same stuff.”

iiuc Leona's popularity went downhill after she didn't promote her recent single at all over there.
Anika Hanson
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by zwixxx:
“iiuc Leona's popularity went downhill after she didn't promote her recent single at all over there. ”

She did promote it, she was on several high profile TV shows over there. I think they just picked the wrong song for the lead single and it all went downhill from there. Plus they didnt try and remedy the situation by releasing another single quickly they just abandoned the project all together.
Taz93
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by LemonadeMan:
“Although Alex never had the massive debut that Leona had, nor has her album been especially massive, it has still performed respectably, and I get the feeling she may be the XF winner with longevity.

I liked Bad Boys, Broken Heals grew on me more and more, and All Night Long is fab. Great singles and they might have just made me look into buying an album I never considered before.

If all subsequent albums have some grower singles like this, she might be set.”

So have you bought Overcome?

Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“She did promote it, she was on several high profile TV shows over there. I think they just picked the wrong song for the lead single and it all went downhill from there. Plus they didnt try and remedy the situation by releasing another single quickly they just abandoned the project all together.”

I agree. When Happy "flopped", they didn't release a new single did they? Look at Rihanna- Russian Roulette fell down the charts quickly in the USA and they sent out "Hard"
Biko
20-05-2010
all this speculation on what singles should have been released is silly really.. so many of my favourite artists release songs which I don't nessesarily think is the best on the album they come from but those artists are still somewhat succesful without the extent of promotion that people like Leona Lewis have...

I think people need to start accepting that people have just lost interest regardless of what singles are released etc.
Zack06
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by Taz93:
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I agree. When Happy "flopped", they didn't release a new single did they? Look at Rihanna- Russian Roulette fell down the charts quickly in the USA and they sent out "Hard"”

Thats SyCo for you, Ryan Tedder warned them that this would happen and they refused to listen. Alexandra better get on Oprah soon, isn't it her last ever season? Tbh, Leona is still pretty big in America, she did the Avatar and SATC2 soundtracks which they don't normally ask mediocre artists to do. The problem with Leona is she never seems to be out-there or different, she tried the whole Avant-Garde/high fashion thing but was ridiculed and called a clown, she reportedly wants to throw-away her 'nice girl' image, but unfortunately thats part of her appeal. Leona will eventually fade away if she doesn't do something soon, her tours were under-sold with 17000+ at most of her venues, her singles have struggled to hit the gold mark and the album massively underperformed looking at how much time and money they put into it. To me Leona hasn't really cemented her fame properly she still very much known as the girl who sang Bleeding Love and she will forever live in the shadow of that song.
tangsman
20-05-2010
The Yanks clearly know sh*t when they see and hear it.
Kyle123
20-05-2010
I think JLS would have been much better trying to go for Europe first, and then moving to America after their second album. (Possibly a compilation of highlights from their first two?) I just think that America would actually pay attention to them if they had conquered the rest of the world than just here. I dont rate JLS, and I wont pretend I do, but I think with the right work they could break into the US market, but I dont think their material from what i've heard is strong enough. They obviously had the advantage of having a built in fanbase from the X Factor here (like Alex and Leona before anyone attacks me) but starting from scratch is a totally different cup of tea. I honestly dont think people would have paid attention to Beat Again if it wasnt for the XF, and the same for Bad Boys with Alex.

Oh and I have to agree about Gordon Smart. He really annoys me with his OTT writing about JLS as though they were the second coming of the Beatles. Same with his views on N-Dubz, and pretty much everything in that sort of vein.
Kyle123
20-05-2010
Oh and also, I think Simon is holding back Alex for The X Factor US. I think he would have gotten her on American Idol if he could have, but obviously with his own show on the horizon, he's going to need her to use as an example of success his show can bring, and at the same time introduce her to America.
Arsene wenger
20-05-2010
what a nasty post. They've only done 2 televised performances on non rating shows.. of course the song will flop. Not to mention the US noone is checking for Boybands,
Zack06
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by Arsene wenger:
“what a nasty post. They've only done 2 televised performances on non rating shows.. of course the song will flop. Not to mention the US noone is checking for Boybands,”

Don't talk about nasty posts when we've all seen what you've done to Alexandra's official forum...
spkx
20-05-2010
This thread isn't causing good feelings over on the official forum it seems http://www.jlsofficial.com/forums/vi.../P540/#2452562
LoveBug.
20-05-2010
What a ridiculous post!. They've only been in America for a few weeks and you expected them to smash just like that?! do you know how big America is? and they've only done a few radio and TV interviews..?. Yes, Z100 playlisted them and a few weeks ago it was doing well on radio but ever since then, JLS have done no promotion over there, except a few gigs and you think they've flopped? give it a few more months!
Anika Hanson
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Don't talk about nasty posts when we've all seen what you've done to Alexandra's official forum...”

And the nasty posts she's made on the Alexandra Burke appreciation thread too
AndyB2007
20-05-2010
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Exactly. Here they've had everything handed to them on a plate, whereas in the real world they'll have to work to achieve anything - like every other artist has to.

The problem is they won't be prepared to put in the years or work required to really break outside of their short-term UK success.”

Agreed. Same with Delta- everyone raved about her saying she was the new Tori Amos, but she had everything handed to her on a plate like JLS because she was in Neighbours (and signed to Sony Music Australia, who at the time handled the music for Neighbours)- her songs were played in it for god's sake. Like JLS who also got famous on a TV show,it's not as if she had to work hard to get the chart positions she did here in the UK like what Adele,Beyonce, Pixie Lott and Rhianna have had to do.

And needless to say, the UK gave up on her as the Neighbours fanbase disappeared (whereas Rhianna and Beyonce are still around in the UK), and she's only big in her homeland now. JLS will suffer the same thing as her soon when the X Factor sheep move on.
Carmen Queasy
20-05-2010
I don't think people are understanding. You can go to anywhere in the USA and see bands like this trying and failing. What JLS are doing is old. It's dated. Their style and sound is like something from the 90s, perhaps with cleaner production.

They'll flop in the UK eventually. They just had a big marketing campaign.
dj sunset
21-05-2010
JLS are an appalling band. Beat again was a very good pop song, everybody in love was absolutely awful. i preferred one true voice's "shakespeare's way with words" to everybody in love, and that is saying something.

i find every interview they do to be fairly pallid and gormless, on the jls special on tv a few months back they were talking about how one of them was a genius for putting the band together etcetera.

they're not clever, talented, not especially good-looking, and i cannot believe they have actually had any chart success. preferred most other bands who have been on x-factor uk, and these four have just got exceptionally lucky.
:]Hannah
21-05-2010
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Tbf I don't think Pixie Lott, JLS or even Cheryl have that much chance of crack the US...”

I disagree, I think Pixie and Cheryl will do VERY well in the US, America seems to love Cheryl, The Jonas Brothers have said how much they like her and Chace Crawford said it like a month ago too, she knows some big people e.g. Simon Cowell who can make her famous over there, and didn't Rihanna say she'd help her be known too? Cheryl does need some more advanced vocal lessons, she needs to make sure she's ready if she does want to 'crack the US', she has tough competition. Pixie is a much better singer and in my opinion much prettier (I know looks aren't everything) yet she doesn't seem to have the support that Cheryl does in terms of helping her crack America.
Biko
21-05-2010
Originally Posted by :]Hannah:
“I disagree, I think Pixie and Cheryl will do VERY well in the US, America seems to love Cheryl, .”

don't get ahead of yourself... JLS are a million times more talented and marketable than Cheryl Cole and they're obviously struggling, even though they "know people" too. The thing is Cheryl's voice is just incredibly average, and her songs are average

Over here we've seen her grow from popstars, get married, live the dream etc and she's endeered herself to people. America is full of people from working class small town roots who are now living the dream so much so that they won't really care about Cheryl's "journey" Trust me it's gonna have to take better songs than "Fight For This Love"
dogcatrabbit
21-05-2010
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“Oh and also, I think Simon is holding back Alex for The X Factor US. I think he would have gotten her on American Idol if he could have, but obviously with his own show on the horizon, he's going to need her to use as an example of success his show can bring, and at the same time introduce her to America.”

Holding back till Autumn 2011? A bit of a wait, i think...

And it's obvious he'll showcase an X factor artist, but that artist is more likely to be Leona Lewis.
:]Hannah
21-05-2010
Originally Posted by Biko:
“don't get ahead of yourself... JLS are a million times more talented and marketable than Cheryl Cole and they're obviously struggling, even though they "know people" too. The thing is Cheryl's voice is just incredibly average, and her songs are average

Over here we've seen her grow from popstars, get married, live the dream etc and she's endeered herself to people. America is full of people from working class small town roots who are now living the dream so much so that they won't really care about Cheryl's "journey" Trust me it's gonna have to take better songs than "Fight For This Love"”

I know, Cheryl DOES need more vocal lessons, I'd go as far to say more intense vocal lessons since her vocals are really not great, but that's the sad thing, in America you're more likely to succeed if you're beautiful/attractive than if you're average-looking. JLS for example they tried to 'crack america' hoping that their looks will carry them through ... that failed. They hadn't had a boost from anybody, they are unknown over there so why should they make it big? The fact that Simon Cowell supports Cheryl is beyond me he's supposed to know alot about music and anybody can tell that Cheryl has an average vocal, but of course that doesn't matter because she's attractive therefore people will buy her music. I bet Rihanna hadn't heard Cheryl singing live, just looked at her, thought 'she's pretty, she'll be huge in the US'. Wasn't Cheryl going to be on the US X Factor anyway? If she's the so-called nation's sweetheart over here, she'll be even bigger over there, she's known for being "pretty", that's why people are supporting her.
Arsene wenger
21-05-2010
The americans have been asked about Cheryl by the UK tabloids. They have been desperate to make her an international star.
dj sunset
21-05-2010
i've met cheryl, and tbh at least 30 of my female mates are a lot more attractive than her. there is something really weird about how publicity seems to make women "attractive" (anyone remember the woman from the x-files topping fhm's sexiest person in the world poll,....), and all this fuss made over her is ridiculous. she can't really sing either, and its an utter mystery what appeal she would have to the americans.

the fuss over kylie is ridiculous too, in real life she's about 5 foot or 5'1, and there is nothing of her. the best-looking celeb i've seen was bec hewitt/cartwright, now there's a stunner
LoveBug.
21-05-2010
VV Brown had massive promotion (on Ellen, etc) and yet nothing seems to be happening, does that mean she's flopped too?
Syntax Error
21-05-2010
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“JLS are doing now what America done better 10 years ago.”

That's it.

Jodeci, Blackstreet, Bel-Biv-Devo & Dru-Hill were doing what JLS are doing now in the early to mid 90s.
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