Posting on this forum, by now I have learned not to trust tabloids and online "exclusives" 100%. But they have been unusually reliable this year.

As I was trawling through Google for info, I came across this:

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/finale-spoilers-5888.htm

Here we have someone with "embargoed pictures" from the finale. I am inclined not to believe him, but he does quote the Daily Star with linkage, which shows, thus far, they have been 100% right about the finale (!)

What is the whoniverse coming to?!

So, with these sources being fairly accurate this year, can they be trusted?

***POTENTIAL SPOILERS WITHIN!***

there is a poster on GB who claims he has seen the photos mentioned there and seems to confirm what is said in that brief article. That said it could be that they have picked there info from said poster on GB I suppose.

Interesting the Weevles are returning.

Seems a bit of an odd one to return, since they're just creatures really.

I don't believe it, and hope it isn't true. You assume a writer is out of ideas when they cannot come up with a focused antagonist or an original story. Unless Moffat is about to shock us all with an amazing story like no other, I doubt that he would be happy rehashing so many RTD creations in his debut series

thing is though, we don't actually know the story and how this would fit in it, or at least not exactly. I am unsure why you feel that feature some old foes would immediately rule out the possibility of the story being original. I think it's been widely reported that a number of old foes will appear in the finale for a while, noteabley the cybermen, whom we actually saw in the trailer after episode 1, we are just now getting hints at what may (or may not) be the creatures in question. However, from what I have read, they aren't the actual central theme of the episode, more a side dish.

eta: link to spoiler summary for finale:

http://doctorwhospoilers.ueuo.com/ep12ep13.html

The returning enemy I would most like to see is the so it would be brilliant to see one in the finale, and hopefully a full story featuring them at some stage.

lordy, they really raided the BBC costume department big time if all that's true

I've read this thread but not clicked on links, as I am trying to be cautious with spoilers ... Weevils? I've only ever seena couple of episodes of Torchwood, and that seems to be the home of the Weevils.Would a TW monster turn up in DW?

They also said that

Oh, by all means, the episode may be fully original and I have faith in Moffat to pull something splendid out of the bag. Its just that in most circumstances outside the realms of Doctor Who, you know that there is often a lack of ideas when such a force is thrown into a single episode....

.....I personally loved The Stolen Earth, and Journey's End was solid enough I suppose. But a lot of people complained that there were just too many faces to keep up with (more so for a casual viewer) and that the series lost focus on Donna when it was arguably 'her series'. I have to disagree with this, and felt that RTD managed to bring in everybody believably (silly Doctor-clone aside)
, but it could have gone so wrong. I just hope that Moffat doesn't do badly here, as it takes just one critic to criticise the episode before a swarm of journalists are on the same bandwagon, so to speak.

....I personally think that the enemies mentioned here, if they are appearing (Cybermen are definate, ofcourse), will be part of a grander scheme. It is my personal preference that it is not a Cybermen story, and even if it is, I will most likely still enjoy it.

I have a feeling that this monser mash will be either two things...


One a Mind Robber type scene, where all these monsters are not actually there....

or two...with this pandorica opening, maybe all the monsters that were "swallowed up" by the crack....appear in this "place" where ever it may be.


or it could be something else entirely......

As ever, speculation (even Tabloid exclusives) should be treated with caution but that said: SM is more than capable of fashioning a finale including all these listed foes and if he has then we have to start believing that some kind of major reset of the RTD era is on the cards since the foes are scattered across the universe/series that he created from 2005...how exciting Unfortunately, it will mean the series will have finished and it's wait til SJA begins time again so I hope The Big Bang isn't too quick in arriving

Criticism is premature, as we don't yet know how the finale will pan out.

But my gut feeling is that Moffat and the team will be making a mistake if they try to up the ante and give us a spectacularly 'big' finale. Every one of the previous season finales has been 'bigger' than the one before, but arguably, not better - the most satisfying, compact and well-written was the first series finale when Eccleston's doctor regenerated. Big isn't always better. I'd like something poignant and meaningful, but understated.

Parting of the Ways remains my favourite. Doomsday lingered on its Rose plot line a little too much and there wasn't enough Cybermen-on-Dalek action , if you catch my meaning. Last of the Timelords was a big disappointment after a nice set up in the fugitives story, The Sound of Drums. Again, The Stolen Earth was a nice set up, let down by Journey's End. The End of Time's second segment was far better than the first, although that isn't saying much- nonetheless I enjoyed Part 2 hugely....nowhere near as much as Parting of the Ways but still a good episode.

The Big Bang has a lot of potential, given the quality of this series, so here is hoping for the best.....

Fan Fic that way ***>


Erm, used that joke already. Sorry.

At least we've been given information all the way through, and the suggestions of what's happened/happening have been clearly been epic, rather than it being inconsequential things that tell you nothing, like Bad Wolf and missing bees.

I would like to see it be epic in the sense of lots of things going on, rather than a simple plot laden with epic doom and anguish. I hope there's lots of things to resolve - that would be an epic ending in my book.

I liked the bees thing - it tied it in to the real world, giving a neat little reason for the disappearance of our own bees! I don't think it was really supposed to be part of the plot really...

That reminds me, must put up my Bee Lodge this weekend - help those lone bees/aliens!

I agree that it had a neat tie in with our world...but at the same time it was relevent to the plot, because that is how the Doctor tracked down the Madusa casscade.

Oops! My usually infallible memory gave out on me there... D'oh!

Lol it happens!!!

Sounds like "Dimension in Time" part two! I hope they're all in the Vic!