You really need to expand your tastes, Metallica were influenced by British bands, hence the NWOBHM album, lol Green Day.

and UK/Europe for me, the American stuff just bores me.

It's the opposite, if anything.

American music has been more creative and influential.

Part of the reason people in the UK think otherwise is that, living in Britain, they are naturally more aware of interesting British music. I've had to make an effort to find interesting (recent) American music rather than going by what appears on the radio.

Hey what about Australian Music,

haven't you ever heard Men At Work,

"I come from the land down under"

I don't think the Beatles did just about change the face of music.

The Beatles are hugely over-rated, imo.

no they didnt 'just about changed the face of music'...they shifted it light years into the form we recognise today.... and how can the group that single handedly created pop/rock as we know it be 'overrated'...lord, i wish some folk would do just a little research before posting....

I don't agree that the Beatles did any of those things. They certainly didn't "single handedly created pop/rock as we know it".

... but that is an historic fact, not an opinion. you might not like the beatles, fair play, but to ignore or deny what they did acheive is beyond foolish. please, feel free to research the subject, ALL their contemporary acts and post beates acts/critics/musicians pay tribute to their acheivements.

they certainly DID create rock/pop as we know it, theirs was the template that all groups have followed since, they are acknowleged as 'the first pop group'. they lead, others followed.

here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles#Legacy

read the lot.

Good Post.....You can not deny the genius that is the Beatles......I did not grow up while they were active as a group but I remember getting the White Album for a lend and after listening to it I went out and bought all their CD's. I mean their music still resonates today and is hugely influential and will continue to be. I think that in five hundred years time people will still be listening to their music. I don't think there are many groups you could say that about.

indeed, i find it irritating when people re-write historic fact with personal opinion. i have no problem with personal opinion, but historic fact is historic fact. what sort of a world would we live in where people chose what was real and what was not?

But it is opinion. Not fact.


Of course they pay tribute to the Beatles achievements. But that is very different from the Beatles single-handedly creating pop/rock as we know it.


The Beatles were influenced by other artists, both earlier ones and some of their contemporaries, and many of the things the Beatles happened to be the first to do were "in the air" and would have happened anyway. It does not make sense to single out one point in the network of causes and influences and claim it created all the rest.


It's interesting that an article that doesn't say the Beatles single-handedly created pop/rock as we know it is being cited as if it showed it was "fact" they they did.

(It's also an article that thinks it can treat things as fact when it merely has a footnote to someone's opinion.)

But I haven't said anything contrary to that. I haven't denied their genius or that their music still resonates or that it's been hugely influential.

But all that you say there put together does not add up the the Beatles single-handedly creating pop/rock as we know it. One of the clearest signs that the Beatles are over-rated is that people believe such things as that.

yep they were influenced by others.... they took those influences and created something new... tell me then, just who did 'create pop'?... because there was no other pop group before the beatles, and all there contemporaries, critics, artists, musicians past and present point to them as the leaders. im not sure why you wouldnt accept this, this is fact, not opinion.

loooolllll "wrap"

Im not being mean thats just funny!!

Barbershop, doo wop groups etc all pre-dated The Beatles (before they were even born in fact) and pop groups of that mould are still around today.

I know Green Day are ****ed up now, but Dookie was a good album. And I also like Disturbed, The sickness always makes me giddy when I go out!!!

I personally could go on for ages and ages but youre comparing individual people/bands, but ultimately for the most part their vision is their own and could be influenced by music from anywhere in the world. Its not really got a whole lot to do with country of origin. Well, maybe apart from that nashville thing, apparently the airs actually magical country music juice there.

That said European metal is by far the absolute best that there is!!

And that Beatles thing, they're alright I suppose, dont get the absolute bumming of them though. I cant stand Paul McCartney. But thats just my opinion. I like Rammstein after all

I gotta admit that stuff like Kamelot & Within Temptation pi$$es all over a lot of stuff out there.

yeah cos rock groups, indie, punk, pop groups all cite them as inspiration and follow their template for music..... pmsl.

the beatles were the FIRST of that kind and every pop/rock act has followed what they created.

An unsurprising strawman response.

The Beatles are not responsible for everything thats ever happened in pop/rock music. Lets not forget they were a manufactured band, and with that they had the one thing other self formed progressive bands didnt..media backing and money. The difference with the Beatles was that they were cleverly put together and given the opportunity. I very much doubt they were the only kids on the planet that had the artistic talent to want to make a change in music.

Rolling Stones were/are much better anyway!!!!

Not in the modern era, thats usually us Brits and Europeans even the majority of yanks admit that, the Rock/Metal scene is pretty powerful over here at the moment, along with the club/eltro music scene.

Unless you're into that seedy stuff that has songs mainly about bonking women and doing drugs with that 'ROCKSTAR' life style the fake stuff in other words, that sums up the american stuff for me.

Nepotistic opinion sure, but thats how I see it.

Well, it started off nice, anyway.

I just knew it would degenerate into a Beatle-bashing and them and us argument.

Did you really expect anything else?

sorry but thats nonsense.

the beatles were NOT manufactured.... they created themselves. like every other artist in the 50's 60's 70's onward they were MANAGED. theres a huge difference between managing and manufacturing. they had NO media backing until they started getting big, they were REJECTED by record companies before finding a home with parlaphone because no one was willing in those austere times to take a gamble with that outrageous 'new sound' (beat).
no they werent the only kids on the planet that wanted to create music, but they were the first to focus and create the template all guitar groups have used since... including the stones! a three minute pop song, they composed consisting of three verses, choruses, break last verse chorus, played with lead, rhythm, bass guitars and drums setting the beat.

this is the basic format that all guitar groups (rock and pop) have followed since. everybody in the 60's was looking towards the beatles to see whhat they do next, this isnt opinion or hype... its how it was.

Im not getting into an argument with you over the Beatles. |Reality for me is NOT picking up a Beatles CD because I just dont want to listen to them, and putting something else on instead. I dont care for having an emotive discussion. PLUS its seriously not the point of the thread.

Im really sorry that you feel the way you do, it shows a lack of experience of rock and pop (who gives a toss about pop haha!)music if you really think that they ALL follow The Beatles' "self-masterminded genius discovery that nobody else could have ever ever thought of "

One quick last thing too, when trying to have a discussion with someone, or reinforcing knowledge with evidence NEVER EVER quote Wikipedia.. Validity and reliability?? When I saw the words "fact" and "wikipedia" together I laughed.

I don't think it's true that the Beatles were as important as some are making out, but to claim that they were manufactured is utter nonsense.